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Well, with the investment I described it's over a year of playing every day (after all of the grinding to get to that point) to recoup just the credits invested. For a game this is an even slower ROI than EVE Online, which is noted for its exceptional slow pace and economic focus. I'm trying to discern if I have an accurate idea of the capital and time investment for the relative income generated.

If your interest is just earning credits for other features on the website, then just slogging through a minimum wage job for a week will get you to gold star. Hell, maybe even begging on a street corner can get you to that amount if you pick the right area. And gold star is more than most people will ever need.

For 1H/Heavy style, you can make 250k a day with 1m investment, but it takes about three hours of playing every day. With about 3m more, you can reduce that time to two hours. But this is after you reach lv300 when you can clear all of the arenas.
Not sure about pffest, but I think after about 50m more investment (40m on perks and 10m on better equipment), you can make extra 250k, but that takes about 2-3 hours.

For mage, 1. you have to reach at least around 350 for decent playing, 2. at least 30m for equipment and perk, you can make your daily 250k from arena in an hour, and if you invest about 100m-150m on top of that, you can make the additional 250k from pffest within an hour or so.

The thing is, no matter how much money you put in, there's limit to how much you can make in this game, because of cooldowns on arenas and staminas. There are some contents w/o cooldowns, but they take shitload of staminas and to recover your stamina by 10, you need to use an item called Energy Drink, which runs at 100k market price atm.
Diminish on the marginal return is very steep, so this game is more about doing the same thing faster and easier, and if you want to make 250k a day, you just need to invest about 1m, or maybe 3~5m for easier time.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Mar 11 2019, 20:20

Not sure about pffest,

But i am. If you are no mage, i suggest just do some IFest. A bit less income, but less crystals, but much easier done.

Uncle, do you do Ifest since pffest's just too much time? I know you can handle pffest as breeze XD. How long does it take you to do ifest?

If your interest is just earning credits for other features on the website, then just slogging through a minimum wage job for a week will get you to gold star. Hell, maybe even begging on a street corner can get you to that amount if you pick the right area. And gold star is more than most people will ever need.

Diminish on the marginal return is very steep, so this game is more about doing the same thing faster and easier, and if you want to make 250k a day, you just need to invest about 1m, or maybe 3~5m for easier time.

But i am. If you are no mage, i suggest just do some IFest. A bit less income, but less crystals, but much easier done.

Thanks for your frank and honest information. I appreciate the time and effort taken to answer my question.

Uncle, do you do Ifest since pffest's just too much time?

Not since i got my new armor.

I know you can handle pffest as breeze XD.

No, you dont. Because PFest isnt a walk in the park to me. PFest is dangerous and can still kill me.

How long does it take you to do ifest?

10 to 20 minutes less than a PFEst. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Thanks for your frank and honest information. I appreciate the time and effort taken to answer my question.

You are welcome. Answer questions is what this topic is all about. Do not hesitate when you have more of them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Mar 11 2019, 20:42

With maxed loot hath perks / training, my average revenue per GF appears to be over 500k (after liquidating all the loot), even with valuing mag+ equips and chaos tokens at 0c. The cost without stamina for consumables/infusions/scraps/such seems be be slightly over 22k.

Of course, it takes quite some time (~2 hours) and most likely not worth grinding it (doing it over and over again is really really tiring and hurts your wrists...), I'm morely doing it just out of interest of obsession with understanding the system and data (should probably stop since sometimes do multiple GFs in a day, being addicted to this is not really worthwhile now I think about it), probably taking a long break and burning out really soon once I hit 500.

But with maxed loot perks / training, you could I believe gain profit even if you simply purchased your used consumables / EDs from shops.



Also, did the PXP gain mechanics for IW change anywhere in the past 2 years? I noticed some old IW shops seem to run "PFUDOR x20" in the first rounds with varying pxp0 (seen 353, 359, etc) but still only getting to potency tier 2 instead of 3 (where in theory shouldn't)? Are the formulas on the wiki correct?

This post has been edited by t_t_z: Mar 11 2019, 20:54

When talking about the revenue of hentaiverse:

Don't even think about it. It's a stupid little game, where you click (well, most people hover, but let's ignore that for now) on some more or less funny names in your browser window. You won't get anything for it. You could reach level 500, buy all hath perks, create an army of monsters and so on, and in the end, you still wouldn't have any more to show for it than some credits you earned by clicking on stuf.
So, I'd say, you either have fun playing the game itself, or you're just wasting your time.

So, I'd say, you either have fun playing the game itself, or you're just wasting your time.

True dat.
Doesn't matter if you have crap equips, or if you're the Camarillaest of Catgirls.
If you're not having fun, there ain't no point in playin this game.

The most you'd need to have full functionality of actually browsing hentai is:
Ads-Be-Gone
Tag Flagging
Source Nexus
Multi-Page Viewer
All Thumbs
Too Many Pages

For a grand total of:
1,140 hath.
And that's like firing up H@H for a while (depending on your H@H stats could be anywhere between a week and a year).
Not even necessary to play this game if you just want the perks to use the site.

Yeah, but.... why would one even play the game when he doesnt have fun playing it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Yeah, but.... why would one even play the game when he doesnt have fun playing it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Maybe to fund his research on e-hentai. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

By the way, what daily arenas you have to play to get 250k daily? I think I don't even reach 100k a day playing Eve of Death until DwD (for total 23 stamina a day as I try to keep it above 80). Is it inevitable to play all of them daily even if it makes my stamina go below 80 to reach that 250k income?

This post has been edited by fuadhika: Mar 12 2019, 02:17

You should play more. There are some arenas that give you more exp/round, and I'd say it's enough to just play those arenas above 80 and it should be manageable. DwD, 80, 100 give most exp/round, in that order, so that's 330/25=13.2 staminas. and if you play other arenas from 60-round to Eternal Darkness, that's 595/25 = 11.8 staminas. Just skip the 60-round arena every other day and you'll see your stamina ranging from 68~92 each day.

That way you should earn at least 150k credits from arenas, 60k for the trophies you get from 3 SG arenas, and daily FSM RoB = 40k, so that roughly puts you at 250k, excluding all other loots and consumables.

Well, yeah, you have to play all of them. But when you have a high enough training of Archaeologist and/or LGBD stamina is not really that much of a problem. Also drop training. And i am quite sure those 250k average daily do ignore monsterlab. A good filled Monsterlab can give/save you easy several M per year. And who would say no to several M? I wouldnt. Damned, to several M would make the marriage proposal myself. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

You should play more. There are some arenas that give you more exp/round, and I'd say it's enough to just play those arenas above 80 and it should be manageable. DwD, 80, 100 give most exp/round, in that order, so that's 330/25=13.2 staminas. and if you play other arenas from 60-round to Eternal Darkness, that's 595/25 = 11.8 staminas. Just skip the 60-round arena every other day and you'll see your stamina ranging from 68~92 each day.

That way you should earn at least 150k credits from arenas, 60k for the trophies you get from 3 SG arenas, and daily FSM RoB = 40k, so that roughly puts you at 250k, excluding all other loots and consumables.

So basically I just have to play second page arenas excluding 55, 90, 110, and 125 rounds? That's exactly 600/25=24 stamina per day! Thank you very much for enlightening me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Well, yeah, you have to play all of them. But when you have a high enough training of Archaeologist and/or LGBD stamina is not really that much of a problem. Also drop training. And i am quite sure those 250k average daily do ignore monsterlab. A good filled Monsterlab can give/save you easy several M per year. And who would say no to several M? I wouldnt. Damned, to several M would make the marriage proposal myself. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I only trained 100/300 adept learner and 25 ability boost right now, so I have to train archaeologist later huh. But what is LGBD?

But what is LGBD?

Long gone before daylight. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

So basically I just have to play second page arenas excluding 55, 90, 110, and 125 rounds? That's exactly 600/25=24 stamina per day! Thank you very much for enlightening me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I only trained 100/300 adept learner and 25 ability boost right now, so I have to train archaeologist later huh. But what is LGBD?

No, what I meant to say is play 80, 100, 150 rounds arenas above 80, and play rest of the arenas under 80. That way you play roughly 300 rounds above 80 and 600 rounds below 80, and for one stamina below 80 you can clear 50 rounds, opposed to 25 rounds per stamina above 80.

With LGBD the first energy drink of the day gives you 20 staminas instead of 10, but don't bother unless you can play iwfest/pffest, and you can't. And you need all that crys perks for them to worth it, so it's a very very long way from now so you don't have to worry much about that.

My recommendation would be to get your drop trainings to 50% of max levels since they aren't that expensive, and just play a lot of arenas and play FSM RoB every time you have enough tokens of blood. (5)

With LGBD the first energy drink of the day gives you 20 staminas instead of 10, but don't bother unless you can play iwfest/pffest, and you can't. And you need all that crys perks for them to worth it, so it's a very very long way from now so you don't have to worry much about that.

Or if you IW a lot...

With LGBD the first energy drink of the day gives you 20 staminas instead of 10, but don't bother unless you can play iwfest/pffest,

I disagree. LGBD is great for doing all the arenas and still stay most of the time above 80. And i also want to point out that back in the days Hellfest was the way to go. Okay, that was before i did even my first hellfest. But it was what everyone did, or at least everyone was talking about. So i would say when we are actually talking about fest. This is where it starts. And imo when you dont have any crys perk, and dont have any arena left to do, make some IW runs.

No, what I meant to say is play 80, 100, 150 rounds arenas above 80, and play rest of the arenas under 80. That way you play roughly 300 rounds above 80 and 600 rounds below 80, and for one stamina below 80 you can clear 50 rounds, opposed to 25 rounds per stamina above 80.

With LGBD the first energy drink of the day gives you 20 staminas instead of 10, but don't bother unless you can play iwfest/pffest, and you can't. And you need all that crys perks for them to worth it, so it's a very very long way from now so you don't have to worry much about that.

My recommendation would be to get your drop trainings to 50% of max levels since they aren't that expensive, and just play a lot of arenas and play FSM RoB every time you have enough tokens of blood. (5)

Ah so I really can't maintain above 80 stamina after all? I guess it's either speedy leveling or more income huh.
By drop trainings you mean Scavenger, Luck of the Draw, Quartermaster, and Archaeologist? How much credits I roughly need to master all of them?

Well the point of staying above 80 is double exp, and for exp he's better off maxing out AL and the first two exp perks with the 8m needed to unlock LGBD.

And yes, I agree hellfest was the way to go, but not anymore. I guess if you do a lot of IW AND you do all of the arenas so you can't recover above 80 without chugging ED, then yea maybe LGBD is worth it even if you don't do fest. But LGBD is inferior to AL and exp perks, at least from the point of view of getting more exp.