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well prof factor certainly increases counter-resist, but imperil doesn't have much to do with that and only with mitigation reduction, so wouldn't it be more likely that it's dependent on mitigation since it differs by how much mitigation is gained from the imperil? (40% for element, 25% for dark/holy, 0% for non-imperil)

Basically, that's it. It's the effect on imperil, combined with monster type+chaos token upgrades. You can read all about it in the wiki, or just do the math yourself. Or, just accept the right factors.

Is there any research done on it? For instance for physical/magical accuracy anything beyond 200% is meaningless, so it's apparent that it's advised to get it up to 200% at most, but 0.68,0.8 are not 'cap' prof factors that anything beyond that does not provide any benefit to the styles. I guess maybe in order to reach beyond 0.68 you have to go for cotton cap/pants instead of shoes/glove and in that manner prof factor beyond 0.68 is not advised?

I've already done the math and they're high enough but are not any thresholds of any sort by themselves.

0.68 on element imperil = 0.68 mitigation reduction
0.8 on dark imperil = 0.61 mitigation reduction

They don't even match. so the only conclusion I can draw about them are perhaps they are the max prof you can get by getting the prof on the desired parts (glove/shoes)

Is there any research done on it? For instance for physical/magical accuracy anything beyond 200% is meaningless, so it's apparent that it's advised to get it up to 200% at most, but 0.68,0.8 are not 'cap' prof factors that anything beyond that does not provide any benefit to the styles. I guess maybe in order to reach beyond 0.68 you have to go for cotton cap/pants instead of shoes/glove and in that manner prof factor beyond 0.68 is not advised?

I've already done the math and they're high enough but are not any thresholds of any sort by themselves.

0.68 on element imperil = 0.68 mitigation reduction
0.8 on dark imperil = 0.61 mitigation reduction

They don't even match. so the only conclusion I can draw about them are perhaps they are the max prof you can get by getting the prof on the desired parts (glove/shoes)

well, if you've done the math, you know everything there is to know. Funny thing is, others have found different results in the past. But they can be wrong of course. But I'm not going to change the wiki yet.

so I guess with peerless elemental prof rolls on willow staff and shoes, and with 530 natural prof with the perk, you are at 0.68. I guess that's about as high as you can go without swapping the cotton piece to something else?

I was just curious cuz those numbers (0.68,0.8,1.0) were going around like some sort of ground truth, so perhaps they were associated with some hard caps. I guess not.

For the second potency, is holy the best option or we should aim for high holy and average for all the others?

I just IWed two jug5 with no other potency and am thinking if I should accept any potency or I should aim for holy.

Yes holy is the best in comparison to other elemental mitigations. However do note that elemental mitigation reduction for equipment is added multiplicatively, so if you have a huge amount of holy mitigation already and none in another, the effective amount of holy mitigation increase you get for additional holy mitigation would be less.

From my data from 1H PFFESTs, if the damage was scaled to pre-mitigation post-firespike shield:

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fire        3.44%
cold        3.29%
elec        3.69%
wind        2.37%
holy        6.47%
dark        1.90%
crushing    30.93%
slashing    14.53%
piercing    33.38%

Note that this is unconsidering the factors of element of the day (-5/-10, unsure if additive/multiplicative for the player), along with magical to physical damage ratio (holy is mainly magical damage, if you have more magical mitigation in comparison to physical, ratio of holy to others will be less; I was using around 77.6% PMit 74.2% MMit).

This post has been edited by t_t_z: Mar 7 2019, 20:26

I was just curious cuz those numbers (0.68,0.8,1.0) were going around like some sort of ground truth, so perhaps they were associated with some hard caps. I guess not.

Your specific mitigation reduction will be(prof factor^1.5)*50+imperil(40 for elemental, 25 for holy/dark).
Monsters have initial specific mitigation with -50% or -25% or 0% or +25% for every element.
With full crystal upgrade they will be +37%, +50%, +62%, +75% respectively.
So for elemental, you will need ~0.7884 prof factor to wipe out all specific mitigation.
For Dark/Holy, with imperil you need ~0.8182 for +62% and 1.0 for +75%.
Since your effective proficiency is capped at your level*2, max prof factor will be 1.0 and this is counted as 50% mitigation reduction.
It's also the requirement for non-imperil dark/holy.

On the 0.68 thing, that's just a random number, the idea is that around that number you get the best possible results, but there is nothing wrong with playing with 0.65 or 0.7, difference is very very minor.
And since the math checks out and the few tests done verify the validity of the theory there is 0 reason to collect thousand of rounds to verify it.
In two years no one ever found a single reason not to aim for around 0.68 prof, that alone should tell you something.

And you can have a look for this.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Mar 7 2019, 20:41

Some helpfull information to newcomers about monsterbation script. Here is an option to achieve nice performance with imperil mage game, my comfortable setup:

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        hoverAction: Strongest([Cast('Ragnarok'), Cast('Disintegrate'), Cast('Corruption')]), Here put the 3 strongest spells of your mage
        hoverShiftAction: Strongest([Cast('Imperil')]), unforeseen cases, like 4 mosters in one round


        Bind(KEY_Z, Strongest([TargetMonster(1), Cast('Imperil')]));
        Bind(KEY_X, Strongest([TargetMonster(4), Cast('Imperil')]));
        Bind(KEY_C, Strongest([TargetMonster(7), Cast('Imperil')]));
        Bind(KEY_A, Strongest([Cast('Full-Cure'), Cast('Cure')]));[

This post has been edited by SleepDealer: Mar 7 2019, 20:51

Fufufu, there's better than that you know. Written inside the default script, to top it off. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Besides this, I can only recommend that for HP/MP regen:

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wheelUp: Strongest([Use(7),Cast('Full-Cure'),Cast('Cure'),Use(4)]),
wheelDown: Strongest([Use(8),Use(5)]),

Yes, I do use HP potions (item 4) before even using Cure, because:
1) Zero action time
2) Better wasting them that way rather than bazaaring them

That setup allows a mage to greatly boost his recovery speed.

Your specific mitigation reduction will be(prof factor^1.5)*50+imperil(40 for elemental, 25 for holy/dark).
Monsters have initial specific mitigation with -50% or -25% or 0% or +25% for every element.
With full crystal upgrade they will be +37%, +50%, +62%, +75% respectively.
So for elemental, you will need ~0.7884 prof factor to wipe out all specific mitigation.
For Dark/Holy, with imperil you need ~0.8182 for +62% and 1.0 for +75%.
Since your effective proficiency is capped at your level*2, max prof factor will be 1.0 and this is counted as 50% mitigation reduction.
It's also the requirement for non-imperil dark/holy.
And you can have a look for this.

Ah yea, precisely what I was looking for (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Thank you! Yea so even if it can go max to 75%, it doesn't necessarily mean that you'd have to wipe out everything since not every monster is going to get to that mitigation. Just wanted to confirm there's no significance in the number '0.68' itself. Nice nice, but nevertheless it's a good number to aim for.

Thanks!

Fufufu, there's better than that you know. Written inside the default script, to top it off. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

It`s some kind of outdated, taken from the times of early version of script. I`m not sure if the original script had such an option. However, I use it still. Cheers.

upd:had

This post has been edited by SleepDealer: Mar 7 2019, 22:41

Quick question!
Which staff is better (disregard forging)
Legendary Arctic Willow Staff of Destruction
Legendary Arctic Redwood Staff of Destruction

The redwood has significantly higher EDB, slightly higher elem prof, and slightly higher INT....
The willow has counter resist, barely higher MDB, and slightly higher WIS....

I kinda want the counter resist...
Then again I'll get some CR from IW.

I'd also have to reforge the staff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Worth it?

Or should I just IW my original staff and not bother?
It does have higher EDB and prof (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

When is the nest Easter event due? I know past events are around this time but I would like to know exactly when it starts? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Quick question!
Which staff is better (disregard forging)
Legendary Arctic Willow Staff of Destruction
Legendary Arctic Redwood Staff of Destruction

The redwood has significantly higher EDB, slightly higher elem prof, and slightly higher INT....
The willow has counter resist, barely higher MDB, and slightly higher WIS....

I kinda want the counter resist...
Then again I'll get some CR from IW.

I'd also have to reforge the staff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Worth it?

Or should I just IW my original staff and not bother?
It does have higher EDB and prof (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I vote for the LARD, just because I know that that works. I haven't tried cold willow, but it looks weak.

When is the nest Easter event due? I know past events are around this time but I would like to know exactly when it starts? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

roughly a week before Easter.

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Playing GF/IW →willow
Arena only →redwood.

Why did the price of Gold Star go up so much in the past 2/3 months?

Star sellers starting to dry up but I see new ones being born so the price fluctuates.

So I'm gonna try out maging. Hope this works at least for arenas...Any things to keep in mind playing as a mage as opposed to 1H heavy? Also, I'm considering unlocked the fourth slot on the IA, what should I put in it as a mage? Do I keep the first three slots as they are (sol, ss, protection)?

So I'm gonna try out maging. Hope this works at least for arenas...Any things to keep in mind playing as a mage as opposed to 1H heavy? Also, I'm considering unlocked the fourth slot on the IA, what should I put in it as a mage? Do I keep the first three slots as they are (sol, ss, protection)?

drop protection from IA
1. SOL
2. Haste
3. Shadow Veil
4. Spirit Shield

Thanks! Any other buffs that I need to keep on as mage except for those and arcane focus? I guess I just don't use protection at all?

And I guess I should try to imperil everything even if that means having to cast imperil multiple times right??

This post has been edited by Saioux: Mar 8 2019, 13:47

Thanks! Any other buffs that I need to keep on as mage except for those and arcane focus? I guess I just don't use protection at all?

You cast it manually. Also, do you have all potions and elixirs ready?