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post Mar 4 2019, 10:23
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Hey guys, quick question.
As far as dark/holy mages go, what's better?
A destruction staff, or a heimdall/fenrir staff?

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post Mar 4 2019, 10:26
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QUOTE(KamuiSeph @ Mar 4 2019, 08:23) *

Hey guys, quick question.
As far as dark/holy mages go, what's better?
A destruction staff, or a heimdall/fenrir staff?

Holy=Hallowed Oak staff of Heimdall
Dark=Demonic Willow staff of Destruction
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post Mar 4 2019, 10:29
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QUOTE(qr12345 @ Mar 4 2019, 17:26) *

Holy=Hallowed Oak staff of Heimdall
Dark=Demonic Willow staff of Destruction


I'm assuming willow/oak because of counter resist?
How much of a detriment is it to run a katalox staff then?


Is there a reason why only holy is better with heimdall and not destruction? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Mar 4 2019, 10:39
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QUOTE(KamuiSeph @ Mar 4 2019, 08:29) *

I'm assuming willow/oak because of counter resist?
How much of a detriment is it to run a katalox staff then?

Yes.
I don't have accurate data but the impact should be great especially if you are going to play non-imperil.
You will lose at least 50% damage if resist occur and since you need 5~10 blows to kill a monster there is no space for compromise.

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Simple, oaks don't have destruction suffix.

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post Mar 4 2019, 10:53
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QUOTE(qr12345 @ Mar 4 2019, 17:39) *

Yes.
I don't have accurate data but the impact should be great especially if you are going to play non-imperil.
You will lose at least 50% damage if resist occur and since you need 5~10 blows to kill a monster there is no space for compromise.
Simple, oaks don't have destruction suffix.

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post Mar 4 2019, 17:49
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I copied this from another thread:

QUOTE(treesloth @ Mar 4 2019, 01:52) *


It works? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I always heard that Fiery Staff had to be Redwood. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Mar 4 2019, 18:50
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Mar 4 2019, 15:49) *

I copied this from another thread:
It works? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I always heard that Fiery Staff had to be Redwood. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

It's not surprising he's going non imp fire with DDIX.
No counter resist is a serious disadvantage for redwoods that I picked a willow instead.
I am cold instead for fire but the situation should be the same.
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post Mar 4 2019, 19:10
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Mar 4 2019, 12:49) *

It works? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I always heard that Fiery Staff had to be Redwood. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I have one of those, I was wondering how should I use it .-.
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post Mar 4 2019, 19:33
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So I got two staff for my mage build:

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/148747019/da7ebe27fa
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/97999092/b77c5b1354

Which one should I invest my materials in?
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post Mar 4 2019, 19:42
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QUOTE(Insania @ Mar 4 2019, 18:33) *

So I got two staff for my mage build:

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/148747019/da7ebe27fa
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/97999092/b77c5b1354

Which one should I invest my materials in?

the low-level one. Because that lv500 sucks by the time you reach lv 400 so you can soulfuse. Both aren't great, but at least the 1st one you can use.
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post Mar 4 2019, 20:26
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Mar 4 2019, 14:42) *

the low-level one. Because that lv500 sucks by the time you reach lv 400 so you can soulfuse. Both aren't great, but at least the 1st one you can use.


Well i didn't spend over 50k on both of these so.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Mar 4 2019, 21:06
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QUOTE(qr12345 @ Mar 4 2019, 13:50) *

It's not surprising he's going non imp fire with DDIX.
No counter resist is a serious disadvantage for redwoods that I picked a willow instead.
I am cold instead for fire but the situation should be the same.


Interesting.

So it means that 13,59% Counter-Resist can be better than:

Elemental Proficiency (Redwood) 8,29 > Elemental Proficiency (Oak) 6,45
Fire Spell Damage (Redwood) 21,78 > Fire Spell Damage (Oak) 18,56

Assuming they both have the same prefix.

So, is Redwood only good if it has the prefixes Destruction, Elementalist and Surtr (or Niflheim)?
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post Mar 4 2019, 21:41
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Mar 4 2019, 19:06) *

So, is Redwood only good if it has the prefixes Destruction, Elementalist and Surtr (or Niflheim)?

First thing non imp elemental is for ultrarich only.
I doubt if it is any viable without DD7+.
Why redwood is best match for Fire/Cold is simply Fire/Cold don't match with willow(no MDB).
For Wind/Elec redwood is completely inferior to willow.
Redwood provide more prof but imperil elemental mages can get enough prof even with willow+shoes slot.

Only destruction suffix is preferable.
EDB suffix is simply inferior to MDB suffix in most cases.
Prof suffix- I don't really see demand for it.
It can bring ~0.8 prof factor without any cotton but that's all.

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post Mar 4 2019, 22:06
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Does anyone keep track of equipment condition drain? My PFFESTs are usually around low 40s condition drain each time I do it, but for some reason the one I just finished took around 82-86 condition... wasn't defeated (completed it), didn't trigger spark of life any more than usual (don't think it has any effect on equipment wear anyways), #monsters was about the same... Just a random 2x of the usual condition drain on everything lol.
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post Mar 4 2019, 22:09
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QUOTE(t_t_z @ Mar 5 2019, 05:06) *

Does anyone keep track of equipment condition drain? My PFFESTs are usually around low 40s condition drain each time I do it, but for some reason the one I just finished took around 82-86 condition... wasn't defeated (completed it), didn't trigger spark of life any more than usual (don't think it has any effect on equipment wear anyways), #monsters was about the same... Just a random 2x of the usual condition drain on everything lol.


Maybe you hadn't repaired it from the last fest? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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QUOTE(KamuiSeph @ Mar 4 2019, 15:09) *

Maybe you hadn't repaired it from the last fest? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


I think I did... maybe I just forgot. Brain kinda tired right now lol. I'll try more later and see what happens. Might be hard to reproduce if it's not just a brainfart though.
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post Mar 4 2019, 22:40
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Is full forging the staff a necessity for arenas as well? As I am building my mage gear, I thought of trying out with this staff I just got https://hentaiverse.org/equip/182420332/a75482ff17

And some plain phase pieces. At least the Mdb is high enough to be around 9% leg mdb, but is it waste of resource to forge it cuz it is not gonna work anyways? What would be the minimum forge needed for making this staff viable for a while to cleqr up to pfdwd?

Since it is mag, I dont plan to get p5s4 on it lol
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post Mar 4 2019, 22:52
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Mar 5 2019, 05:40) *

Is full forging the staff a necessity for arenas as well? As I am building my mage gear, I thought of trying out with this staff I just got https://hentaiverse.org/equip/182420332/a75482ff17

And some plain phase pieces. At least the Mdb is high enough to be around 9% leg mdb, but is it waste of resource to forge it cuz it is not gonna work anyways? What would be the minimum forge needed for making this staff viable for a while to cleqr up to pfdwd?

Since it is mag, I dont plan to get p5s4 on it lol


How's your proficiency?
I have this set up on my "Temp Frost Mage"
And I'm definitely healing basically on cooldown.

Legendary Arctic Redwood Staff of Destruction
Peerless Ruby Phase Cap of Niflheim
Legendary Cobalt Phase Robe of Niflheim
Legendary Charged Cotton Gloves of Warding
Legendary Cobalt Phase Pants of Niflheim
Peerless Amber Phase Shoes of Niflheim

But I think part of that has to be because my proficiencies on mage are crap.

Cloth armor
348.398
Staff
348.377
Elemental
348.974

Wasn't like the recomended prof factor ~0.7-~0.8?
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0.144 Proficiency Factor
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post Mar 4 2019, 22:56
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Mar 4 2019, 20:40) *

Is full forging the staff a necessity for arenas as well?

It's not something like minimum requirement but more is faster.

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And some plain phase pieces. At least the Mdb is high enough to be around 9% leg mdb, but is it waste of resource to forge it cuz it is not gonna work anyways? What would be the minimum forge needed for making this staff viable for a while to cleqr up to pfdwd?

Since it is mag, I dont plan to get p5s4 on it lol

You can try ~50 MDB, ~30 EDB&prof.
I will suggest you at least get Pene5.

QUOTE(KamuiSeph @ Mar 4 2019, 20:52) *

Wasn't like the recomended prof factor ~0.7-~0.8?
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
0.144 Proficiency Factor

Change your gloves to elementalist (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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QUOTE(qr12345 @ Mar 5 2019, 05:56) *

Change your gloves to elementalist (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Would if I had one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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