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post Feb 28 2019, 02:22
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QUOTE(t_t_z @ Feb 27 2019, 18:05) *

Some questions / possibilities:
Did you have multiple instances/tabs of HV open? (stamina only updates to it's actual value when you reload / move to a new page; if you just keep one open and do battles on others, the one on the initial tab won't update until you reload / move to a new page)
Did you have any HV userscripts running? (might be a display bug)
Did you close any HV tabs / crash? (maybe the tab crashed just as it was loading a riddlemaster)
Did you happen to enter grindfest or IW but flee the first round multiple times in a row and not pay attention to the stamina after thinking it doesn't cost anything? (I did this one way back, it costs 1 stamina to enter GF upfront and all stamina for IW is payed upfront)

Of course, these are just minor possibilities I can think of. If one of them applies (kinda doubt), then we found the problem. Otherwise it could be that you forgot about something (i.e. riddlemaster) you did, or the code bugged (very unlikely though)

Anyways, the expected amount of stamina cost to enter RE is 0.


1. No. Single tab for the game. I didn't just open the game, either. I had the tab open all day.
2. Yes, a few (all of which I installed before going to bed last night). Random Encounter Detector 1/2, Monsterbation, Crank Juice, DarkNight theme.
3. Nope.
4. I didn't flee the first round today, but I did flee the 1st round of GF yesterday (oddly I didn't do what I fleed to go do - forgot what I wanted to do lol). I have never fleed an IW, that I recall.

And just to be clear because it's becoming obviously clear that quite a few people would rather call me a liar than to try and understand the situation. I have no reason to lie about this. I'm not looking for a handout or anything like that - I know about the free shops, and I've opted to not use them because I don't like handouts. I simply want to understand the game. If this is unexpected behavior, that's fine.. I'll keep my eye out for it in the future and if it happens again, I'll see what I can do to report a bug. I was actually hoping someone would say "hey, I had that happen when I [did this/used this script/etc].. it's not supposed to do that, but if you [do this instead], it won't happen.".

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post Feb 28 2019, 02:27
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Admittedly this hasn't happened to me in half a decade, but I do remember having an issue with riddlemasters back when the maze was still a potential puzzle. I had some problems where I was unable to do the inputs and some other situations where it wouldn't display properly (so I wasn't even aware that I was 'missing' riddlemaster spots), which in turn is compounded by them showing up more frequently when you're bad at them.

Again though, this was probably back in 2013 or earlier and I'd be surprised if it was still an issue for people.
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post Feb 28 2019, 02:31
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back when the maze was still a potential puzzle.
And i was allready able to forget about that completly. Stupid mace, good that those times are over.
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post Feb 28 2019, 02:44
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[youtu.be] https://youtu.be/UtSfR88MFZ4?t=153

what were they thinking?
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post Feb 28 2019, 02:52
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*sigh* Great. And i just did accept and forget about that you could allway see your credits without the need to go into the itemshop or the bazaar. *sigh* You could even see it during battle and it was even updated during battle. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Feb 28 2019, 02:56
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For me, the only time something similar happened is due to having extremely bad wifi. The connection is so bad that I have not seen a single pop up yet I am getting time-outs from riddlemasters.

We can't tell exactly what happened but we can tell the most sensible thing that might have happened from experience...

Maybe for now pay a bit more attention to the battle log because when you fail a riddle it'll record how many stamina you have lost.
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post Feb 28 2019, 03:36
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QUOTE(CaptainQuasar @ Feb 28 2019, 03:22) *

And just to be clear because it's becoming obviously clear that quite a few people would rather call me a liar than to try and understand the situation.

i don't call you a lier. i said that this is one of the possible situations (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

ok
you lost 15 stamina in RE
only one situation is possible - you failed the riddlemaster

so your problem is that you have somehow not seen the riddlemaster
options:
1) game page loads so long that the time limit of the riddlemaster expires before you see it
2) game page loads in background tab so you didn't notice the riddlemaster
3) bug in the game so you don't see the riddlemaster
4) bug in the browser so you don't see the riddlemaster
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post Feb 28 2019, 03:48
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1) game page loads so long that the time limit of the riddlemaster expires before you see it
Not possible. I have played the game with a max speed of 33 kB/s for nearly a year the the riddlemaster loads quite quick, the only problem is the picture of the ponies, so that it is possible that you are unable to answer it, but you dont miss it.
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post Feb 28 2019, 04:34
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 27 2019, 20:48) *

Not possible. I have played the game with a max speed of 33 kB/s for nearly a year the the riddlemaster loads quite quick, the only problem is the picture of the ponies, so that it is possible that you are unable to answer it, but you dont miss it.


I think the speed is not the only factor, I mean if you have an unstable connection then that is possible. That is what I just described, it times out even though I didn't even see the riddle at all.
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post Feb 28 2019, 04:44
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QUOTE(mouisaac @ Feb 28 2019, 03:34) *

I think the speed is not the only factor, I mean if you have an unstable connection then that is possible. That is what I just described, it times out even though I didn't even see the riddle at all.

Oh, so we are talking about connection? Do you actually think modern internet is in any way stable with a MAX speed of 33kB/s? Because it is not. Do you know the error messages HV does show you when there is a connection error? I got them at least every second round aka every minute. So no, the riddle master itself loads no matter what, that was never a problem. The worst that could happen is pic not loading and if you actually get an connection error right before the riddle master would be loaded, it will load it anyway even after the the time is long expired. So not seen the riddle master at all because of this? No. Nuh-uh. Nooooope.
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post Feb 28 2019, 04:50
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lol actually it'd be fun to see the error messages at 33kb/s. I can't even imagine...Was it some sort of phone modem connection?
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post Feb 28 2019, 05:01
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 28 2019, 03:50) *

lWas it some sort of phone modem connection?
GPRS. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Feb 28 2019, 05:22
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Then I'm not sure what caused that. When that happens I also had like 0.02 tps but I don't recall seeing connection error. Actually, I think it's because I have no problem receiving signals (full-bar) except it doesn't actually connect me to anywhere. Whenever I tap the number key it just doesn't do anything. And after some considerable amount of time has passed, one of my inputs gets send to the server and my attack is registered.

After that experience, I'm now grateful to have good connections. For speed, atm I have max 6.6 MB/s for download which isn't decent but is usable. (is that the speed you are talking about?)
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post Feb 28 2019, 06:32
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QUOTE(CaptainQuasar @ Feb 28 2019, 07:22) *

1. No. Single tab for the game. I didn't just open the game, either. I had the tab open all day.
2. Yes, a few (all of which I installed before going to bed last night). Random Encounter Detector 1/2, Monsterbation, Crank Juice, DarkNight theme.
3. Nope.
4. I didn't flee the first round today, but I did flee the 1st round of GF yesterday (oddly I didn't do what I fleed to go do - forgot what I wanted to do lol). I have never fleed an IW, that I recall.

And just to be clear because it's becoming obviously clear that quite a few people would rather call me a liar than to try and understand the situation. I have no reason to lie about this. I'm not looking for a handout or anything like that - I know about the free shops, and I've opted to not use them because I don't like handouts. I simply want to understand the game. If this is unexpected behavior, that's fine.. I'll keep my eye out for it in the future and if it happens again, I'll see what I can do to report a bug. I was actually hoping someone would say "hey, I had that happen when I [did this/used this script/etc].. it's not supposed to do that, but if you [do this instead], it won't happen.".


nobody start accusing you for being a liar until you accuse uncle stu calling you a liar.
He did stated that the only way you lose 15 stamina from doing 1 RE is if you actually failed the riddlemaster.
No matter how you wants it phrased, either in the most genteel way possible or as insulting as possible, bottom line is there's technically no other way it's possible.
People could help thinking of scenarios, but it will back to the fact that it has to be because of failing a riddlemaster, as that's the only probable explanation according to current system.
If all are exhausted and you still say it isn't, then it must be something you missed on your side.

If you're saying there's possible quirk in the system and looking for anybody who encounter the same, afaik you're the only one that reported this problem in the past months if not years (or maybe ever).
If you still insist on suspecting that it's a problem with the system, then there's no way this thread could help, at least until another people come up with the same problem as you, which so far there's nobody as you can see.
The only way possible to check it is by sending your complain to 10b, and make him look for it (he/she/it is fast if there's log, but good luck with that without actual proof).

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 28 2019, 09:44) *

Oh, so we are talking about connection? Do you actually think modern internet is in any way stable with a MAX speed of 33kB/s? Because it is not. Do you know the error messages HV does show you when there is a connection error? I got them at least every second round aka every minute. So no, the riddle master itself loads no matter what, that was never a problem. The worst that could happen is pic not loading and if you actually get an connection error right before the riddle master would be loaded, it will load it anyway even after the the time is long expired. So not seen the riddle master at all because of this? No. Nuh-uh. Nooooope.


remind me again, what actually should happen when somebody didn't answer the riddlemaster?
I vaguely remember that the page should refresh itself and it will load the next round.
but last time ponies didn't shows up and I tableflip then leave the pc, the page still on riddlemaster with ponies visible and 0 timer, as if taunting me.
I wonder if that's a difference because of monsterbation or because of the ajax implementation or my net failed me again when it wants to reload the page?

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post Feb 28 2019, 07:04
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Feb 27 2019, 23:32) *

remind me again, what actually should happen when somebody didn't answer the riddlemaster?
I vaguely remember that the page should refresh itself and it will load the next round.
but last time ponies didn't shows up and I tableflip then leave the pc, the page still on riddlemaster with ponies visible and 0 timer, as if taunting me.
I wonder if that's a difference because of monsterbation or because of the ajax implementation or my net failed me again when it wants to reload the page?


If you don't answer in the time limit it'll refresh and you can see the detail in the battle log. Not sure if it's HVutil thing but at least that's what I got.
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post Feb 28 2019, 08:26
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Even if it was failure to correctly answer riddlemaster, shouldn't he fail it multiple times before he got to actually lost 15 stamina in one riddlemaster? From what i read he didn't say anything about failing the riddlemaster multiple times before the incident (though he might have but just didn't say it here).

Btw overpower is only usable for 1H play right? I assumed that's the case so I avoid that potency, but is it really the case?
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post Feb 28 2019, 08:35
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QUOTE(fuadhika @ Feb 28 2019, 06:26) *

Btw overpower is only usable for 1H play right? I assumed that's the case so I avoid that potency, but is it really the case?

No.
In fact overpower is less usable for 1H since counters stun monsters and 1H can trigger overwhelming strike.
Some players point that overpower is better than fatality even for 1H rapiers but it's a minority.

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post Feb 28 2019, 08:40
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No.
In fact overpower is less usable for 1H since counters stun monsters and 1H can trigger overwhelming strike.
Some players point that overpower is better than fatality even for 1H rapiers but it's a minority.

For real? I thought it's only usable for 1H because 1H is the only style that explicitly has "counter" on the stat -,-
I too don't actually prefer fatality that much, I prefer swift strike better as it gives better survival chance and multiple attack, so overall damage should be better than fatality.
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post Feb 28 2019, 08:56
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QUOTE(fuadhika @ Feb 28 2019, 06:40) *

For real? I thought it's only usable for 1H because 1H is the only style that explicitly has "counter" on the stat -,-
I too don't actually prefer fatality that much, I prefer swift strike better as it gives better survival chance and multiple attack, so overall damage should be better than fatality.

I guess you might have some misunderstanding.
Counter-parry and counterattack for 1H are two things.
Counter-parry can negate monsters's parry chance for you attack.
Let's say you have overpower 5(=20% counter-parry) and monsters have 8% parry chance.
The actual chance for your attacked get parried by monsters will be (8%*(1-20%))=6.4%.

Most 1H players prefer lower attack speed if there is no problem for survive, since more attack chance=less attacks from monsters=less counters=less damage/turn&OC.

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post Feb 28 2019, 09:02
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QUOTE(mouisaac @ Feb 28 2019, 12:04) *

If you don't answer in the time limit it'll refresh and you can see the detail in the battle log. Not sure if it's HVutil thing but at least that's what I got.


then it is probable that he click the RE link, alt tab, riddlemaster shows up, he didn't realize, timer run out, page refresh, he tab back then finish the battle without reading the failed riddlemaster notification, and lose 15 stamina, right?

QUOTE(fuadhika @ Feb 28 2019, 13:26) *

Even if it was failure to correctly answer riddlemaster, shouldn't he fail it multiple times before he got to actually lost 15 stamina in one riddlemaster? From what i read he didn't say anything about failing the riddlemaster multiple times before the incident (though he might have but just didn't say it here).


he did say that he fail a riddlemaster before which put his stamina to that low 50. here's a quote:

QUOTE(CaptainQuasar @ Feb 28 2019, 05:46) *

I did mess up on the riddlemaster the RE before the one I'm asking about. That's actually how it got so low to start with (but how it got within range to be in the 50s due to a missed riddlemaster, I can't explain - I've only missed 1 riddlemaster today). How it went from 51 to 36 is the question. I didn't miss a riddlemaster for that because there wasn't one on that RE.


and as some already mention, it take effort to actually drop below 80 stamina for anybody whose level is as low as him, which means it's believable that he did fail multiple riddlemaster before the accident.


QUOTE(fuadhika @ Feb 28 2019, 13:40) *

For real? I thought it's only usable for 1H because 1H is the only style that explicitly has "counter" on the stat -,-


counter-parry is a stat to diminish enemy's parry
just like counter-resist against magic resist.
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Damage#Damage_Avoidance

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