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Okay, think of it this way.

Suppose you can buy a certain property for any amount you want, but it has very severe diminishing marginal returns, and there's no refund, and its only benefit is dividends.
Say you buy $10 worth of it and you get an annual dividend of $1. You buy $200 worth of it and you get an annual dividend of $2. (By the way, this analogy is in favor of maxing out those drop trainings.) Well, sure you break off even around year 100 and you are more profitable than first option around year 190 with second option, but the question is: Will you be around that long?
Even in the most generous estimates, maxing out drop trainings break even after an year, and outpace 50% after two years, IF you play consistently, and by this I mean clearing all arenas and 1 pffest. If you consider the opportunity cost of those credits that could be spent elsewhere, well...

Basically you asking about ROI on DD is like asking where's my dividend on my yacht trip. Idk about others, but for myself I don't grind for the sake of grinding, but to get better gears and having better fun playing HV.

If you have enough credits such that after doing all the trainings you still have enough to buy whatever you want then yes, it's better to max them out asap, but in that case you won't have to worry about ROI anyways.
This could be applied to anything that produces recurring profits. In fact, catgirl cost = 10*gs cost, and catgirl daily reward = 3*gs reward. This is 4.5 times more efficient compared to maxing out trainings vs 50%. But that doesn't mean we should rush ten gs asap.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 25 2019, 23:31

Let's use a simplified model.
Hath price=4k.
Assuming a player has 400k income from daily arenas and he need 90mins to do them without DD1.
After getting DD1 he get 5mins faster time.
ROI =Cost/(income/min with DD1 - income/min without DD1)
=8m/((400000/85)-(400000/90))
=30600mins

30600mins/85mins
=360 days daily arenas

Quite ridiculous but I guess it's more calculable than drop training right?
If ones spending 20~30m switch from 1H to mage and clear daily arenas with 2 times speed I will say it's totally worthy.

you did not take into account the lost profits from the purchase of DD1 instead of last levels of Scavenger/Archaeologist

with DD1 you clean the arenas faster, but you get less from them

This post has been edited by Ikki Pop: Feb 25 2019, 23:55

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btw since you are here, what's your opinion on lawd/lfwd, noni? And I'm fine with arctic but for some reason I really can't get myself to like that fiery prefix lolol...

I haven't tried LAWD (I do have one for sale, though). So I can't help you with this, you will have to try for yourself. Elec or Wind is a safer choice, we know how good those are with willow.

I am a LAWD user.
If you are going to play GF/IW then go LAWD, otherwise LARD.
I am not meaing LAWD is unacceptable for arenas.
My record for DwD is 2100~2200 turns and I guess with LARD I can have around 100-200 turns less.

you did not take into account the lost profits from the purchase of DD1 instead of last levels of Scavenger/Archaeologist

with DD1 you clean the arenas faster, but you get less from them

You asked for ROI so I just gave something.
I am welcome if you are going to do calculation so we can make comparison and have a conclusion.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Feb 26 2019, 00:00

The ROI for DD is you'll get peerless class equipment output from mid to high tier legendary.

Where's that DD vs peerless radiant of heimdal comparison(?) post again...
I believe I bookmark it somewhere.

What would be an adequate strategy for getting Jug5? Should I reforge if Jug<IW/2 (e.g. Jug2 when IW5)
Also, I'd appreciate if anybody could help me reforging this shit (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Thanks~

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 26 2019, 01:57

Also, I'd appreciate if anybody could help me reforging this shit (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Thanks~

send it if you still need help

This post has been edited by lololo16: Feb 26 2019, 03:00

Sent thank you~

that is what i always say, but nobody listen

I didn't train it because I didn't know that I would start earning back in a few years.
Maybe 20 years?
That doesn't make sense.

I didn't train it because I didn't know that I would start earning back in a few years.
Maybe 20 years?
That doesn't make sense.

Yeah, no. The pay back of those last levels of training is not great i admit. But you would not need 20 years for them to pay back, at least not when you play more than a daily RE. We are talking about training and not the repair bear perks.

Repair Bear vs FoS vs Hoarder. Talking about shitty perks...

Repair Bear vs FoS vs Hoarder. Talking about shitty perks...

I think Hoarder is useful because our desires are endless but our space is very limited. Or can we store everything in MM? But we must not forget to get them back...



Do melee need Enigma Energizer?
It's not very expensive but also not very effective so I'm still not sure if I should save for it. Or maybe after crys II.

Do melee need Enigma Energizer?

You mean "need" like in "will make a huge difference"? No, no they dont need enigma energizer.

You mean "need" like in "will make a huge difference"? No, no they dont need enigma energizer.

I know it won't make a huge difference, but in the long run does it speed up enough for a price of 200 haths?

And for mage it's good to have right?

I know it won't make a huge difference, but in the long run does it speed up enough for a price of 200 haths?

Ehm, well i have it, and when i think about that i may, i repeat it may save me some turns over a whole day, or a GF, i would say only get it when you really dont have a better use for those 200 hath.

And for mage it's good to have right?

Afaik, yes it is.

For IWing soulfuse equipment, do you start with hell (2 potencies) or IWBTH (4 potencies)?

I think unlock 4 at once is better but with a cost of a little more shard usage?

Not easy to get this...

And how often do you think you will get at least three potencies you actually want instead of whole four you dont want at all? You go only for four potencies if you actually want to waste shards. And i cant see a single reason why someone would want to waste shards.

And how often do you think you will get at least three potencies you actually want instead of whole four you dont want at all? You go only for four potencies if you actually want to waste shards. And i cant see a single reason why someone would want to waste shards.

But I thought doing hell you are wasting 2 stamina getting half potency exp and a lot less credit/drops and 2 stamina costs near the same as an extra shard and more after 10 reforges...

Ok seem like I should do hell and reforge until a jug appears.

And how much credits would you actually waste when you do such a four potency run ten times and reforge them? Sure as sure more than you ever could get by drops from doing those IW on a higher difficulty.

Thanks

I haven't had enough IW experience to tell (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Thanks

You are welcome.

I haven't had enough IW experience to tell (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

And who would blame you for this? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

i suspect this also, because chaining a bunch of individual rolls is not how i would implement it myself. rather i would perform one roll to decide on the category (equip/artefact/consumable/etc.) and then roll further for specifics

So i am not the only one who looks at this whole page with skepticism. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Feb 26 2019, 08:48