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Yeah, and wiki was wrong before. And until i see a proof i am sure it is again.

i suspect this also, because chaining a bunch of individual rolls is not how i would implement it myself. rather i would perform one roll to decide on the category (equip/artefact/consumable/etc.) and then roll further for specifics

This might be a dumb question, but does clearing arena at a higher level result in greater the exp gain? More precisely, once you reach a level where the Max PL you will face is 2250 (PL cap), do clearing the same arena at same difficulty at level 400 and level 500 have different exp gain? I thought this should obviously be the case, but player level is not a factor in the exp formula according to the wiki.

I believe so, but it does not scale nearly as well with your exp to your next level.

Aside from PL, another factor for exp approximations appear to be Monster_SP, which is derived partially from primary attributes. All primary attributes are scaled using monster level/player level from their base. Thus higher level = higher primary attributes scaling = higher SP = higher EXP.

I'm not certain if the formula is correct, but the general trend does appear that way (higher level gives more exp). Of course it scales less well than EXP required for your next level.

Hmmm I'm wondering if there's an equip-stat-after-forge calculator around?
I suck at math and I know the formulas are up on wiki, so maybe someone has made a calculator? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Just wondering what is the final difference between, for example, a 0 forged 100% MDB staff and a 100 forged 1% MDB staff.
I assume there is a difference, ofc, but how significant?

You have live % ranges, right? you can switch between forged and unforged stats with hotkeys, just find the needed equipment in people signatures and wts with smartsearch.


The only source for the info of roll priority could be 10boro. Wiki has a lot of stuff that people just asked 10boro in pms or irc, but it's years and years old so there's no guarantee he hasn't changed it without reflecting in patch notes.

Anybody know for sure what this bar is supposed to mean? It's something innate to HV, i.e. it appears with or without any script. My guess is that it's there to keep track of rounds/stamina. Anybody knows?



EDIT: nvm I think it's the exp bar

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 25 2019, 19:42

Anybody know for sure what this bar is supposed to mean? It's something innate to HV, i.e. it appears with or without any script. My guess is that it's there to keep track of rounds/stamina. Anybody knows?



EDIT: nvm I think it's the exp bar

Yeah, that's really exp bar.

Yeah, that's really exp bar.

Oh yeah I know that bar, they serve a mean exp-on-the-beach

Oh yeah I know that bar, they serve a mean exp-on-the-beach

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Yea but for some time I really thought it was stamina bar and each tick was supposed to mean one stamina or something lolol

btw since you are here, what's your opinion on lawd/lfwd, noni? And I'm fine with arctic but for some reason I really can't get myself to like that fiery prefix lolol...

i maximized drop training.

my opinion: that it must be done as soon as possible.

everyone in the forum disagrees with me, because the last levels of these trainings are too expensive.

not my opinion: problem with Scavenger 50 and Archaeologist 10: ROIs are too bad and take years.

so i have two questions for those experts:
1) if you do not spend 10-20 million on the latest levels of drop trainings, then what is it worth spending (with a good ROI, of course)?
2) what is the ROI of Dæmon Duality I?

This post has been edited by Ikki Pop: Feb 25 2019, 23:14

I train Scavenger, Luck of the Draw, Quartermaster and Archaeologist
to 50% before I bought my Gold Star,
to 80% after I bought my Gold Star,
to 100% after I bought the rest 9 Gold Stars.
In fact, if you have enough Credits and don't care the Price of the last 20%, you can and should reach 100% at the Beginning, it's not a Fault.

ROIs are too bad and take years.

this may be the case, but the sooner you train them to max, the sooner they start paying off

btw since you are here, what's your opinion on lawd/lfwd, noni? And I'm fine with arctic but for some reason I really can't get myself to like that fiery prefix lolol...

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Fire yeah, nobody likes fire. It works though. But you'll be playing with fire.

I played LARD cold mage. That works quite well. Redwood has nice elemental proficiency and high cold damage. LAWD doesn't sound as tasty, but that's not the problem. Cold damage is far less than LARD. Willow has better counter resist. I haven't tried LAWD (I do have one for sale, though). So I can't help you with this, you will have to try for yourself. Elec or Wind is a safer choice, we know how good those are with willow.

this may be the case, but the sooner you train them to max, the sooner they start paying off

that is what i always say, but nobody listen

i have two questions for the experts:
1) if you do not spend 10-20 million on the latest levels of drop trainings, then what is it worth spending (with a good ROI, of course)?
2) what is the ROI of Dæmon Duality I?

Let's use a simplified model.
Hath price=4k.
Assuming a player has 400k income from daily arenas and he need 90mins to do them without DD1.
After getting DD1 he get 5mins faster time.
ROI =Cost/(income/min with DD1 - income/min without DD1)
=8m/((400000/85)-(400000/90))
=30600mins

30600mins/85mins
=360 days daily arenas

Quite ridiculous but I guess it's more calculable than drop training right?
If ones spending 20~30m switch from 1H to mage and clear daily arenas with 2 times speed I will say it's totally worthy.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Feb 25 2019, 23:16

that is what i always say, but nobody listen

To be fair, you have to consider opportunity costs.

Should I invest all my money and get higher artifact drop rates for the rest of time?

Ooor should I buy actually decent gear so that I can play faster/better/more and get more artifact drops as a byproduct?

Of course the earlier you get your trainings -> the faster they will pay off.
But if you have max trainings and can barely finish the arenas in a day because DwD takes you 2-3 hours cause you have no monies for gear...
Maybe you done goofed.

Okay, think of it this way.

Suppose you can buy a certain property for any amount you want, but it has very severe diminishing marginal returns, and there's no refund, and its only benefit is dividends.
Say you buy $10 worth of it and you get an annual dividend of $1. You buy $200 worth of it and you get an annual dividend of $2. (By the way, this analogy is in favor of maxing out those drop trainings.) Well, sure you break off even around year 100 and you are more profitable than first option around year 190 with second option, but the question is: Will you be around that long?
Even in the most generous estimates, maxing out drop trainings break even after an year, and outpace 50% after two years, IF you play consistently, and by this I mean clearing all arenas and 1 pffest. If you consider the opportunity cost of those credits that could be spent elsewhere, well...

Basically you asking about ROI on DD is like asking where's my dividend on my yacht trip. Idk about others, but for myself I don't grind for the sake of grinding, but to get better gears and having better fun playing HV.

If you have enough credits such that after doing all the trainings you still have enough to buy whatever you want then yes, it's better to max them out asap, but in that case you won't have to worry about ROI anyways.
This could be applied to anything that produces recurring profits. In fact, catgirl cost = 10*gs cost, and catgirl daily reward = 3*gs reward. This is 4.5 times more efficient compared to maxing out trainings vs 50%. But that doesn't mean we should rush ten gs asap.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 25 2019, 23:31

Let's use a simplified model.
Hath price=4k.
Assuming a player has 400k income from daily arenas and he need 90mins to do them without DD1.
After getting DD1 he get 5mins faster time.
ROI =Cost/(income/min with DD1 - income/min without DD1)
=8m/((400000/85)-(400000/90))
=30600mins

30600mins/85mins
=360 days daily arenas

Quite ridiculous but I guess it's more calculable than drop training right?
If ones spending 20~30m switch from 1H to mage and clear daily arenas with 2 times speed I will say it's totally worthy.

you did not take into account the lost profits from the purchase of DD1 instead of last levels of Scavenger/Archaeologist

with DD1 you clean the arenas faster, but you get less from them

This post has been edited by Ikki Pop: Feb 25 2019, 23:55

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btw since you are here, what's your opinion on lawd/lfwd, noni? And I'm fine with arctic but for some reason I really can't get myself to like that fiery prefix lolol...

I haven't tried LAWD (I do have one for sale, though). So I can't help you with this, you will have to try for yourself. Elec or Wind is a safer choice, we know how good those are with willow.

I am a LAWD user.
If you are going to play GF/IW then go LAWD, otherwise LARD.
I am not meaing LAWD is unacceptable for arenas.
My record for DwD is 2100~2200 turns and I guess with LARD I can have around 100-200 turns less.

you did not take into account the lost profits from the purchase of DD1 instead of last levels of Scavenger/Archaeologist

with DD1 you clean the arenas faster, but you get less from them

You asked for ROI so I just gave something.
I am welcome if you are going to do calculation so we can make comparison and have a conclusion.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Feb 26 2019, 00:00

The ROI for DD is you'll get peerless class equipment output from mid to high tier legendary.

Where's that DD vs peerless radiant of heimdal comparison(?) post again...
I believe I bookmark it somewhere.

What would be an adequate strategy for getting Jug5? Should I reforge if Jug<IW/2 (e.g. Jug2 when IW5)
Also, I'd appreciate if anybody could help me reforging this shit (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Thanks~

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 26 2019, 01:57