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If you don't have / don't want op on the mainhand, reroll.
The offhand is an auto hit if it passes the offhand strike roll. It can't miss or be parried / evaded. It also crits when the mainhand crits.

The effect of Overpower is redundant and dilutes badly with styles that stun.

People are forgetting about chain-parrying. That's the real difference between op and no op.

But when I was in 3 oh 3 (trio n tree with 100 rounds) I got defeated on very very first round (shame on me). So I decided that I have to stay with the hentai a little longer...

Ah, don't worry about that. You should play all arenas on pfudor. There are common reasons to be defeated in the first round. It's not shameful to die there.

You probably died when you casted Heartseeker. It has a cast time of like 2~3 turns and every time you cast it, you will suffer a ton of attacks and might die. To solve this problem, make sure you have Haste (if you use it) and Spark of Life up before you cast Heartseeker. Also improve your magical mitigation with Warding suffixes, because likely you died to the holy MP skill of celestials (most common source of first round death).

If you don't have / don't want op on the mainhand, reroll.

thanks a5df6h54 〜(￣▽￣〜) katana has OP4

Ah, don't worry about that. You should play all arenas on pfudor.

( ^^)p_____|_o____q(^^ )
As long as, of course, you are going to do them all. If you will do 1 arena on PFUDOR, but by doing it on IWBTH you would be able to do 2 due to time spent, then that is it. Both in EXP and $$$ it is profit.
( ^^)p___o_|______q(^^ )

This post has been edited by reality_marble: Jan 20 2018, 01:07

Iwbth is far easier than pfudor but the difference in time spent is negligable as the monster HP is roughly the same. I time myself when I do IW runs because IW pfudor is still a little bit too hard for me to do every time. Maybe it is different for mage.

The offhand is an auto hit if it passes the offhand strike roll. It can't miss or be parried / evaded. It also crits when the mainhand crits.

That still won't change the fact that OP in both hands makes a global 36% anti-parry. In that case, for the main hand.
Unless proven that offhand's Overpower has absolutely no effect.

Nearly same hp but less time spent healing, which is relevant if you are getting sparked every few rounds and, like me ~(>_<~), had shit t/s due to net and doing it while watching episodes and not giving full attention(￣▽￣*)ゞ It adds up.
Before I went full 1H I was alternating all melee styles. Using an Estoc, even if it was my trusty exquisite ethereal estoc of slaughter, meant a noticeable difference in clear time between doing it on PFUDOR and IWBTH ☆ｏ(＞＜；)○.

Wanting to be a pervert (*/▽＼*) meant that instead of a single SG arena I had a bit extra time that I used to do it + another non-SG arena. Take more time overall, but I wouldn't do that extra arena without those extra minutes before hitting the sack. This meant more EXP, more PAs dropped.

You have to adapt the world to your reality, not adapt yourself to what the world says you should do (＠＾◡＾)
Compare your own results, for this making some logs is nice and fun, and choose the path that benefits you more. If someone is going to make DwD, ED and EoD everyday in PFUDOR, more power to him. If you are only going to do a single one DwD run a day, try doing it on IWBTH to see if you are willing to do DwD + another arena. If yes and the EXP/money is compensating, then way not?

I was making two separate statements, not relating op to handedness. My fault for any confusion.
Yes, it doesn't matter where the op is or in what amounts, as long as it's in there somewhere (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I forgot about FRD and Niten styles, they might not want overpower either. Dunno since I don't use them.

... and consider that tokenizer affects chaos/blood tokens ratio.

...It increased the Chaos ones, or do i remember wrong?

I have never experienced a decrease or increase in Blood tokens. If there is an effect, it's very small

as far as i know, it increases chaos ratio both for random drops and clear bonuses, so if you get all your blood tokens from arena clears, you may end up with less after buying tokenizer

So basically the description of Tokenizer in the Hath Perks page is completely bullshit?

Anyone ever kept a log of data on Tokens before and after Tokenizer to know the exact ratio/drop changes?

There is a drop log for 7000x GF

CODE

SCV / TKN |  40 / 2 |  50 / 2 |  50 / 3
========================================
    count |    4072 |     925 |    2003
----------------------------------------
    Chaos |   41482 |    9606 |   28997
          |  10.187 |  10.385 |  14.477
----------------------------------------
    Blood |   10358 |    2470 |    5848
          |   2.544 |   2.670 |   2.920
----------------------------------------
      C/B |   4.005 |   3.889 |   4.958

This post has been edited by sssss2: Jan 20 2018, 03:08

I was making two separate statements, not relating op to handedness. My fault for any confusion.
Yes, it doesn't matter where the op is or in what amounts, as long as it's in there somewhere (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

so, only the total amount matters, right?

None knows yet .･ﾟﾟ･(／ω＼)･ﾟﾟ･.

Question: how people do logs anyway? Taking the battle logs, copy paste then removing the lines and counting one by one?

Wait what?
I have all my stat inferior to yours but I can clear all arena in PFUDOR pretty consistently, only when I forget (or lazy) to cast spark of life and suddenly met strong monsters I died.

Yes I have to consume lots of draught and potion in the process and use almost all buff spells I have, but in the end, the income I got from arena is multiple times the cost mmm...

Yes, the battle outcome is far better then iwbth I guess, and yes (again) I have to cast all my supports and more draughts to spend. Thanks for encouraging...

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Ah, don't worry about that. You should play all arenas on pfudor. There are common reasons to be defeated in the first round. It's not shameful to die there.

You probably died when you casted Heartseeker. It has a cast time of like 2~3 turns and every time you cast it, you will suffer a ton of attacks and might die. To solve this problem, make sure you have Haste (if you use it) and Spark of Life up before you cast Heartseeker. Also improve your magical mitigation with Warding suffixes, because likely you died to the holy MP skill of celestials (most common source of first round death).

Nope, I was defeated when I casted protect+spirit+regen then when I casted shadow veil, they got me and ****....

thanks a5df6h54 〜(￣▽￣〜) katana has OP4
( ^^)p_____|_o____q(^^ )
As long as, of course, you are going to do them all. If you will do 1 arena on PFUDOR, but by doing it on IWBTH you would be able to do 2 due to time spent, then that is it. Both in EXP and $$$ it is profit.
( ^^)p___o_|______q(^^ )

Yes, that's right, but just now I did 3oh3 on pfudor and I got 29.xx minutes 1.2 t/s (bad connection)

Iwbth is far easier than pfudor but the difference in time spent is negligable as the monster HP is roughly the same. I time myself when I do IW runs because IW pfudor is still a little bit too hard for me to do every time. Maybe it is different for mage.

Yes, iwbth is a lot easier than pfudor. I'm almost "untouchable" on iwbth but I don't know why I got defeated easily on 1st round of 3oh3 on pfudor, and IW is always gonna be so hard...

Nearly same hp but less time spent healing, which is relevant if you are getting sparked every few rounds and, like me ~(>_<~), had shit t/s due to net and doing it while watching episodes and not giving full attention(￣▽￣*)ゞ It adds up.
Before I went full 1H I was alternating all melee styles. Using an Estoc, even if it was my trusty exquisite ethereal estoc of slaughter, meant a noticeable difference in clear time between doing it on PFUDOR and IWBTH ☆ｏ(＞＜；)○.

Wanting to be a pervert (*/▽＼*) meant that instead of a single SG arena I had a bit extra time that I used to do it + another non-SG arena. Take more time overall, but I wouldn't do that extra arena without those extra minutes before hitting the sack. This meant more EXP, more PAs dropped.

You have to adapt the world to your reality, not adapt yourself to what the world says you should do (＠＾◡＾)
Compare your own results, for this making some logs is nice and fun, and choose the path that benefits you more. If someone is going to make DwD, ED and EoD everyday in PFUDOR, more power to him. If you are only going to do a single one DwD run a day, try doing it on IWBTH to see if you are willing to do DwD + another arena. If yes and the EXP/money is compensating, then way not?

This is a good advice, adapt them to yourself, especially it's full of "emotions", nice (4 thumbs up)

Thank you

This post has been edited by igs88: Jan 20 2018, 03:23

Nope, I was defeated when I casted protect+spirit+regen then when I casted shadow veil, they got me and ****....

Try to get at least IA2 and put SoL/Spirit Shield on IA. Heck, if you even have enough money for those gear, IA3 first. It'll help you a lot more.

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Amazing work as usual, thanks.
So, at it was said, increase in Blood Tokens is negligible.

Question: how people do logs anyway? Taking the battle logs, copy paste then removing the lines and counting one by one?

Scripts. The answer is always scripts. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Try to get at least IA2 and put SoL/Spirit Shield on IA. Heck, if you even have enough money for those gear, IA3 first. It'll help you a lot more.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) actually I was lucky enough to get the gears from drops, not all bought because I sunk my credits in upgrading rapier and shield. Well I guess I have to go to hath exchange first..

Thanks for the advice (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Are soulbounded equipments no longer salvageable?

Are soulbounded equipments no longer salvageable?

Nope, they still are salvagable, I did it several times especially weapons

Nope, they still are salvagable, I did it several times especially weapons

Ah. Looks like I had the equipment still equipped on my 2nd persona. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I'm wondering what the main advantages of 1h/shield+heavy vs 1h/shield+light. I see most people prefer heavy, I understand it does more damage but how does it compare to the evasion light armor gives? Does damage overweight the survivability that evasion provides alongside block or am I missing something.

I'm wondering what the main advantages of 1h/shield+heavy vs 1h/shield+light. I see most people prefer heavy, I understand it does more damage but how does it compare to the evasion light armor gives? Does damage overweight the survivability that evasion provides alongside block or am I missing something.

While Light give Evasion, Heavy have more ADB/pmit/mmit in total. Along with Counter mechanic favoring low attack speed (maximum of 3 Counter per turn; and this turn is game turn, not player turn), and counter only works with block/parry (eliminating the needs of evasion), that's why 1H heavy is better than 1H light.

Also, best defense is offense, more ADB -> you kill the enemy faster -> you survive better.