[X] My Assistant

I see I see. So would it be like 4 phase+1 cotton(shoe/glove)? What would be the cost for the pf arena tho? If there's too much sunk cost going from pffest to pf arena I might as well just save up enough and go straight for a setup that can handle pffest, but if I can get started with about 10m on pf arena alone then I might want to try that out first.
I'm honestly just waiting for a decent staff to show up on the auction, but there isn't any rn :/

sure you can get started with 10m.

sure you can get started with 10m.

No, not even as cool mage. Maybe as fire mage.
The forge costs to get going for an acceptable gameplay are too high, I certainly do know something about it.

That is, I'm not even counting his level that will make it even harder.

No, not even as cool mage. Maybe as fire mage.
The forge costs to get going for an acceptable gameplay are too high, I certainly do know something about it.

That is, I'm not even counting his level that will make it even harder.

Feels like 10m should be enough for a fairly cheap set that can survive arena, but level is definitely the hard part.

No, that won't survive even arena.
I'm already at the limit of decently playable myself, and I did spend way more than 10m to achieve that.
I don't have the spreadsheets, but I could do it to show how much exactly I did spend.

No, that won't survive even arena.

my set: selfdrop-staff and ~1.25m equip, and i re-bought my staff for 400k
dunno how much forging cost, i bought some materials, others got from the labs,
but I don't think it took more than 2.35m
so my current set ~4m
i can survive all arenas in PFUDOR. using only draughts and pots

Sadly it leads to saying "60m or play 1H" to newer players, which is fundamentally wrong and if 10 min increase on D&D is not much than nothing is much.
That's more realistic, but let me tell you this - I spent under 10m for set that burns daily stamina in ~1h and it's something that should be recommended.

my set: selfdrop-staff and ~1.25m equip, and i re-bought my staff for 400k
dunno how much forging cost, i bought some materials, others got from the labs,
but I don't think it took more than 2.35m
so my current set ~4m
i can survive all arenas in PFUDOR. using only draughts and pots

Wow that's pretty nice actually. How long does it take you to clear arenas btw? For instance DwD?

Wow that's pretty nice actually. How long does it take you to clear arenas btw? For instance DwD?

DwD ~50 min, yeah, it's slow, but possible and not hard. i'm James May of HV.

I wasn't talking about surviving, I was talking about decently playable. If it was about surviving, Forge 5-10 on everything is enough.

One plays mage to go faster, not to lose his time healing so that there is barely any improvement over 1H.

But then, maybe one can assemble a low quality set with barely 200-500k apiece. There will still be huge costs in HGC.

Yea I'd say 50min is a bit too much. Benny-boy setup something under 10m and he said he burns 1200 staminas rounds in an hour so that might be a better comparison tho. Even if he was really lucky with his finding, if 10m could do it I'm still inclined to think 20m can do something similar tho. Surely it's not gonna be DwD under 10min, but still decently faster than 1H.
My current 1H setup roughly takes about 2 hours to clear all 1,000 clear bonus arenas, which is like 1240 staminas rounds, so roughly his setup is twice as fast.

Are you meaning rounds instead of stamina?

Yea my bad lmao. That doesn't make any sense 1200 staminas lmao...

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 22 2019, 15:35

Yea I'd say 50min is a bit too much. Benny-boy setup something under 10m and he said he burns 1200 staminas in an hour so that might be a better comparison tho. Even if he was really lucky with his finding, if 10m could do it I'm still inclined to think 20m can do something similar tho. Surely it's not gonna be DwD under 10min, but still decently faster than 1H.
My current 1H setup roughly takes about 2 hours to clear all 1,000 clear bonus arenas, which is like 1240 staminas, so roughly his setup is twice as fast.

Are you meaning rounds instead of stamina?

This post has been edited by qr12345: Feb 22 2019, 15:31

Mmm, I'm around 2500 rounds for DwD, and my equipment is far from optimized ($350k staff, 2 magnificents and not even forge 5 on everything). Though I think I did spend quite a bit more than 10m on it, part of it is due to high price of wind. I feel like a playable cold mage (no charged/radiants) can probably get to 2700 rounds or so with fairly minimal forging on phases. As Decon said, the vast majority of that budget will actually be spent on forging (and another portion on IW).

I see. Thanks for the inputs. Yea I'm just waiting on that decent staff I can purchase and I'll have to build my thing around that. Currently I'm considering 4+1 with no or maybe one charge for now, but then again I'll have to replace them later on.

Just gotta do some more bounties...

Ah yes, do count roughly 400k cost of amnesia shards per equipment as well. I'm including that cost in the basic setup to play decently. Pen5 and Jug25 are not an option. That 400k does consider you have the dark descent perk, otherwise forget about going mage and get that perk first.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Feb 22 2019, 17:32

lol I think I'll just use the free dark descent service a lot but I get your point.
I first have to get VV and Tokenizer 1 and hopefully DD1 tho, since I think i'll be staying 1H for sometimes :/

As I was saying the other day, you really need a rock-solid setup to rely on and prepare your switch in optimal conditions. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
It includes equipment with some forging, trainings, hath perks and depr prof.

Switching to mage is really not to be underestimated, even less to attempt with very minimal means. In particular, you'll be most likely investing in forge efforts that will be lost for good, especially if you use lower quality equipment that will need to be replaced more or less quickly. In which case a solid setup to fall back on is mandatory.

If budget is a concern, 1h mage really could be considered - much cheaper to get arena ready. The only big issue is that you won't be able to do the schoolgirl arenas - either stick with 1h or use mage for that (mage on schoolgirls a lot easier than the non-schoolgirl arenas).

If budget is a concern, 1h mage really could be considered - much cheaper to get arena ready. The only big issue is that you won't be able to do the schoolgirl arenas - either stick with 1h or use mage for that (mage on schoolgirls a lot easier than the non-schoolgirl arenas).

Is buckler of battlecaster better than buckler of barrier?

I don't usually see people using battlecaster, is it better on some occasion?

Is buckler of battlecaster better than buckler of barrier?

I don't usually see people using battlecaster, is it better on some occasion?

my guess is that 1H mage mana pool sucks, they need the mana conservation the battlecaster provides

Is buckler of battlecaster better than buckler of barrier?

I don't usually see people using battlecaster, is it better on some occasion?

Either the waki or the buckler should be battlecaster for the mana conservation and magic accuracy. Depends on what you can get your hands on. Buckler of battlecaster will have higher conservation/accuracy, but less defense compared to barrier. No trouble clearing peerless PFUDOR IW with buckler of battlecaster, but maybe on grindfest it makes a difference.

Got it.

How much would it cost for a battlecast waki or buckler? I don't recall seeing any battlecaster in auctions...

Also, what would be the ideal IW for waki? I thought all of them become useless except swift maybe?