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What is the cost standard of a holy mage build that is usable on PFUDOR?

What is the cost standard of a holy mage build that is usable on PFUDOR?

Pfudor arena's, non-imperil play?
staff: 20m +25m forging
Prof cotton (2 pieces), non charged, full forged: 50m
3 phases, plain prefix, no forging: 15

Pfudor IW/Grindfest, non-imperil play?
Staff:20m + 25m forging
prof cotton (2 pieces), charged, full forged: 100m
3 phases, radiant: 100m
Forging of the radiants (not even full): 50m

Imperil style is cheaper, but then elemental is much better/cheaper/value-for-money

Pfudor arena's, non-imperil play?
staff: 20m +25m forging
Prof cotton (2 pieces), non charged, full forged: 50m
3 phases, plain prefix, no forging: 15

Pfudor IW/Grindfest, non-imperil play?
Staff:20m + 25m forging
prof cotton (2 pieces), charged, full forged: 100m
3 phases, radiant: 100m
Forging of the radiants (not even full): 50m

Imperil style is cheaper, but then elemental is much better/cheaper/value-for-money

What's your opinion on Dark vs Elemental?
And what setup do I need for PF Arena and PFFEST with elemental or dark, whichever is cheaper? I guess phase forging is necessary for pffest?

EDIT: You're like under 10 min on DwD. I'll be content with around 15 min, at least for now.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 21 2019, 23:53

What's your opinion on Dark vs Elemental?
And what setup do I need for PF Arena and PFFEST with elemental or dark, whichever is cheaper? I guess phase forging is necessary for pffest?

EDIT: You're like under 10 min on DwD. I'll be content with around 15 min, at least for now.

*looks at own time*

2 hours.


normal mode


....*ok*....

2 hours on normal difficulty? What's your stats? I think there should be some room for optimization unless all you are wearing are superior(even if so I wouldn't think it'd take 2hours - maybe on pfudor, but not normal)

And actually what matters is the number of turns. You know how many turns?

What's your opinion on Dark vs Elemental?
And what setup do I need for PF Arena and PFFEST with elemental or dark, whichever is cheaper? I guess phase forging is necessary for pffest?

EDIT: You're like under 10 min on DwD. I'll be content with around 15 min, at least for now.

Imperil-style, PFFEST is achievable without too much costs. You would want some charged gears and certainly a bit of forging (halfway or so?). Staff full forged, of course, and prof cotton as well. But going up to round 750 and then fleeing, that requires less forging I guess. For Imperil style PFFEST, Wind or Elec are the best choices. I used Cold (LARD) up to lv 500, also for PFFEST, and that works as well just a bit slower. Dark, imperil-style, is possible, but a bit more difficult than elemental, because you need more proficiency, higher factor.

To get started, you don't need too much credits. To play PFFEST, go elemental and bring 50-75m.

I see I see. So would it be like 4 phase+1 cotton(shoe/glove)? What would be the cost for the pf arena tho? If there's too much sunk cost going from pffest to pf arena I might as well just save up enough and go straight for a setup that can handle pffest, but if I can get started with about 10m on pf arena alone then I might want to try that out first.
I'm honestly just waiting for a decent staff to show up on the auction, but there isn't any rn :/

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 22 2019, 00:20

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/185660294/0ba37528e7 vs https://hentaiverse.org/equip/17226936/ef8fbe64a8

Rapier better for pen and pary?

2 hours on normal difficulty? What's your stats? I think there should be some room for optimization unless all you are wearing are superior(even if so I wouldn't think it'd take 2hours - maybe on pfudor, but not normal)

And actually what matters is the number of turns. You know how many turns?

a lot of turns.

a lot of turns.

That's ah....
I think this is your problem

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These too:
Mag. Power Helmet of Protection
Mag. Power Armor of Protection

This post has been edited by KamuiSeph: Feb 22 2019, 01:55

Yes, yes. Yes.

I clearly understand what you mean. Yes.

I wonder at which point full cure becomes more efficient compared to cure. Right now I've set up monsterbation so that I cast healing in the following order: cure->health potion->full cure, but maybe I should change the order? Since cure scales only with base health, at some point full cure should become more efficient in terms of mana cost with enough Jug.
On a side note, I think the mechanism of SS is funny in the way that the more max hp you get it procs less. I think the threshold at which it procs should be dependent on the base health and not max health, and the spirit point spent on extra damage covered by sp should be dependent on max hp, i.e. the higher the max hp the less sp consumed for same damage absorbed. :/

Also, what is this supposed to mean for regen:

Base health restored per turn = base_health * (AP / 100)

What is AP supposed to mean there? Amount of free AP or amount AP you have in total? AP you have in total would mean at least 5*base_health restored per turn at level 500, which seems like a bullshit to me. It just seems very weird to me that something like supportive proficiency fits better there yet AP is there for no reason.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 22 2019, 02:58

I have the same problem with you last December...
In PFUDOR IW I still need more healing than now and used cure first then full-cure...
After reading Fudo's explanation, I'm convinced to swap them...

using cure first on higher threshold is actually more MP heavy than using FC first on lower threshold.
This one is PF grindfest using FC-Cure-Potion with the hoverplay interrupt at 35% HP (my usual setup )

This one using Cure-FC-Potion with the hoverplay interrupt at 50% HP (I just tried this setup for this)


why 50%? I guess with my 126% HP bonus, 44% (100/226) is roughly the amount of health cure will fill if following 100% base HP heal amount, so I just set it on 50% to avoid overflow (in retrospect I should have put it a bit more lower after considering regen's recovery).

My Cure cost 115MP Full Cure Cost 335 MP
Full Cure first : 233 FC + 18 C = 78,055 + 2,070 = 80,125
Cure First : 541 C + 33 FC = 181,235 + 3,795 = 185,030
disregard the spirit potion usage, that's me forgot to re-slot spirit ability after trying something.

Cure first is more economical than full cure is only when you put them on roughly same threshold, AND that your defense is high enough to make sure your HP won't repeatedly dropped to the said threshold shortly after curing (as your HP won't be maxed like when using FC).

this is FC first on 25% HP threshold interrupt

and this is Cure first also on 25%


now it's 70,505 against 38,020 mana spent for cure.

as you could see, since I use same equip and playstyle on both run (only switching between cure/full cure first), we could assume that I drop below cure threshold in roughly same amount.
take the 206 FC on the FC first run as the number of times my HP drop below the threshold, using FC first only 13 times that my HP drop below threshold again in span of 10 turns after the Full cure (hence using cure).
on the other hand, after the same assumed 206, there's 78 times my HP drop below the threshold again before regen could put me on a "safe HP area", plus another 16 times it drop below threshold in mere 1 turn after curing (hence using full cure), this number will grow bigger and bigger the lower your defense.
more mana heavy? yeah, but 33 draught and 2 mana potion difference over 1000 round? that run itself bring 250 mana draughts and 90 mana potions, nothing to fuss about..

while it's true that dropping the threshold lower would also increasing the chance of spark triggered (hence more spirit potion/elixir used) it also decrease the amount of cure needed, it's a balancing work that differ person to person.
and as I said before, as long as you don't ended up like chugging every spirit regenerative item on cooldown, don't be afraid of getting sparked, it's there for you to use, if you aim to never sparked at all, there's no point using the said skill.

disclaimer : of course if your defense is high enough to the point that you only have to heal once in a blue moon, then using cure first would be more efficient regardless the threshold, I just did 2 run of 100 round PF IW and only had to heal 5 times, using either full cure or cure first...

Pfudor arena's, non-imperil play?
staff: 20m +25m forging
Prof cotton (2 pieces), non charged, full forged: 50m
3 phases, plain prefix, no forging: 15

Pfudor IW/Grindfest, non-imperil play?
Staff:20m + 25m forging
prof cotton (2 pieces), charged, full forged: 100m
3 phases, radiant: 100m
Forging of the radiants (not even full): 50m

Imperil style is cheaper, but then elemental is much better/cheaper/value-for-money

First legendary drop in a while.
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/185671725/3eafd306ad

Guess I will go cold elemental.

That's a good drop, but you know you don't have to go cold because it's cobalt prefix right? The prefix only gives you the mitigation, nothing else that would make you choose cold over any other elemental.

That's a good drop, but you know you don't have to go cold because it's cobalt prefix right? The prefix only gives you the mitigation, nothing else that would make you choose cold over any other elemental.

Oh, thanks for pointing that out.

I see I see. So would it be like 4 phase+1 cotton(shoe/glove)? What would be the cost for the pf arena tho? If there's too much sunk cost going from pffest to pf arena I might as well just save up enough and go straight for a setup that can handle pffest, but if I can get started with about 10m on pf arena alone then I might want to try that out first.
I'm honestly just waiting for a decent staff to show up on the auction, but there isn't any rn :/

sure you can get started with 10m.

sure you can get started with 10m.

No, not even as cool mage. Maybe as fire mage.
The forge costs to get going for an acceptable gameplay are too high, I certainly do know something about it.

That is, I'm not even counting his level that will make it even harder.

No, not even as cool mage. Maybe as fire mage.
The forge costs to get going for an acceptable gameplay are too high, I certainly do know something about it.

That is, I'm not even counting his level that will make it even harder.

Feels like 10m should be enough for a fairly cheap set that can survive arena, but level is definitely the hard part.

No, that won't survive even arena.
I'm already at the limit of decently playable myself, and I did spend way more than 10m to achieve that.
I don't have the spreadsheets, but I could do it to show how much exactly I did spend.