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post Feb 15 2019, 14:29
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Eh market price is 50m+ for a GS. 400$ is not a lot in terms of whale economy.
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post Feb 15 2019, 14:30
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Highly disappointing lol
Wait for the last five upgrades when this allready disappoints you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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post Feb 15 2019, 14:42
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oh so he means DDVI's total cost...
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post Feb 15 2019, 14:45
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Well even if it's 20m if its efficiency is low it may never be worth it. It has nothing to do with scale of economy.
Either you get FoS cuz it's cheap for you, or not. You will almost surely fail to get its worth, not that any FoS would approach it that way anyways.

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Wait for the last five upgrades when this allready disappoints you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)


I'm gonna salvage most of them so it's not that expensive, but I had high hopes because I heard the first five forges are the most efficient. T_T
Well but only 30% of attack damage comes from armor so I did see about a 10% increase from them. Not bad I guess~

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post Feb 15 2019, 14:51
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 15 2019, 21:22) *

If you rent 10 seedboxes with cache filled up it's going to be in roughly two months (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Or maybe he was talking about DD VI, only that it was more of DD I~VI
Btw, Crysatium 3 is crazy good - it's as efficient as 2, while all other perks have their marginal benefit halved or worse every level.


I mean shit, I have no seedboxes and it will take me a year and a bit at the rate I'm going now.
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post Feb 15 2019, 14:55
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 15 2019, 13:45) *

I heard the first five forges are the most efficient. T_T
They are. Why do you think did i even made my post?
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post Feb 15 2019, 14:58
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 15 2019, 19:45) *

I'm gonna salvage most of them so it's not that expensive, but I had high hopes because I heard the first five forges are the most efficient. T_T
Well but only 30% of attack damage comes from armor so I did see about a 10% increase from them. Not bad I guess~

that's means further upgrade will be worse... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 15 2019, 15:02
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 15 2019, 07:55) *

They are. Why do you think did i even made my post?


Yea and the difference is pretty bad actually lol.
For non-ADB stats, first five roughly gives you 1.6% per forge count, last five gives 1.7% TOGETHER.
For ADB, 2.2% per forge count, last five 1.3% TOGETHER.

......

Damn son.

EDIT: I just did a quick rough calculation, and it turns out forge beyond 5 for power slaughter is not worth it before DD1. Interesting.
On the other hand, it's better to forge your rapier(of slaughter) to at least 4025 before DD1, for most adb for buck.
EDIT2: DD2 is worth getting only after fully forging rapier of slaughter and forging power slaughter to 30.

QUOTE(KamuiSeph @ Feb 15 2019, 07:51) *

I mean shit, I have no seedboxes and it will take me a year and a bit at the rate I'm going now.


That means you are getting around 150 haths/day. Umm, how? Or were you just referring to your total daily income? Even in that context that's a lot tho.

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post Feb 15 2019, 15:27
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 15 2019, 22:02) *

That means you are getting around 150 haths/day. Umm, how? Or were you just referring to your total daily income? Even in that context that's a lot tho.


It's + daily hath from cookies/gold star
And I already have 10k hath
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post Feb 15 2019, 15:29
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Wait so are we talking about 50k or 20k? IF it's 20k, it's about 30 hath per day which is somewhat reasonable, but if it's 50k, it's 120 hath/day. Doesn't one gold star only give you 9 hath/day? Do you run a H@H at home?

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post Feb 15 2019, 15:38
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 15 2019, 22:29) *

Wait so are we talking about 50k or 20k? IF it's 20k, it's about 30 hath per day which is somewhat reasonable, but if it's 50k, it's 120 hath/day. Doesn't one gold star only give you 9 hath/day? Do you run a H@H at home?

50k

I'm running at ~95 hath per day on H@H atm, but it's slowly increasing.
So 95 x 365 = 34675
Plus the hath I have atm
34675 + 10000 = 44675
Daily hath is at 9 for cookies/GS
9 x 365 = 3285
44675 + 3285 = 47960

So that's 2040 hath short.
And as I said, my H@H is slowly increasing, plus I did say "a year and a bit" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 15 2019, 15:41
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Oh yea you were the guy had that beast home connection that costs shittons XD It all makes sense now lolol. Btw, how long did it take you to go from 0 to 95? Since you're in Asia it gets much better traffic than the one I've set up in Lithuania (where's dat anyways? O_o), I just wanna get a rough idea lol

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EDIT: I just did a quick rough calculation, and it turns out forge beyond 5 for power slaughter is not worth it before DD1. Interesting.
On the other hand, it's better to forge your rapier(of slaughter) to at least 4025 before DD1, for most adb for buck.
EDIT2: DD2 is worth getting only after fully forging rapier of slaughter and forging power slaughter to 30.


Never mind this. I forgot DD stacks multiplicatively lol.
DD1 better than rapier forge beyond 16
DD2 better than rapier forge beyond 70, armor forge beyond 20

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post Feb 15 2019, 15:44
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 15 2019, 22:41) *

Oh yea you were the guy had that beast home connection that costs shittons XD It all makes sense now lolol. Btw, how long did it take you to go from 0 to 95? Since you're in Asia it gets much better traffic than the one I've set up in Lithuania (where's dat anyways? O_o), I just wanna get a rough idea lol



Wait. Hold up Hold up.
You're from Lithuania?


Oh yeah sorry, it took about ~3 months or so

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post Feb 15 2019, 15:48
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 15 2019, 14:02) *

EDIT: I just did a quick rough calculation, and it turns out forge beyond 5 for power slaughter is not worth it before DD1. Interesting.
On the other hand, it's better to forge your rapier(of slaughter) to at least 4025 before DD1, for most adb for buck.
EDIT2: DD2 is worth getting only after fully forging rapier of slaughter and forging power slaughter to 30.

Of course it is overall worth it, why do you think it isnt? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Ehm, but you know that for the end result it does not matter in what order you do that right? I mean forge first or DD first, in the end you have the same damage. And some people are just too stuborn to actually buy forging materials and bindings so they actually get even DD2 before they have fully forged their set. Or at least i have heard of such uncles. Of course i am not talking about any uncle you would know, the uncle i mean is called steve. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 15 2019, 14:41) *

Lithuania (where's dat anyways? O_o)
It is the southernmost of the baltic states south of latvia, north of poland and formerly directly west of east prussia.

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post Feb 15 2019, 15:53
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QUOTE(KamuiSeph @ Feb 15 2019, 08:44) *

Wait. Hold up Hold up.
You're from Lithuania?


Oh yeah sorry, it took about ~3 months or so


No I just rent a seedbox from Lithuania lolol. It's got good speed but shit hitrate because nobody around there uses this site apparently I guess lol.

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post Feb 15 2019, 15:53
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 15 2019, 22:48) *

It is the southernmost of the baltic states south of latvia, north of poland and formerly directly west of east prussia.

No no, Uncle. You don't get it.
He basically said "no one knows where Lithuania is, of course, you also don't know where it is but that's *where my server is"



He said that to a fucking Lithuanian (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I am laughing my goddamn ass off.
I've said *basically* the same thing like a million times before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Feb 15 2019, 15:57
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 15 2019, 08:48) *

Of course it is overall worth it, why do you think it isnt? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Ehm, but you know that for the end result it does not matter in what order you do that right? I mean forge first or DD first, in the end you have the same damage. And some people are just too stuborn to actually buy forging materials and bindings so they actually get even DD2 before they have fully forged their set. Or at least i have heard of such uncles. Of course i am not talking about any uncle you would know, the uncle i mean is called steve. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)



Well uncle actually you made the right choice I think lolol. rapier forging 99->100 and forging power slaughter 29->30 roughly same as DD3.

forging power slaughter 99->100 is roughly DD9 lmao. Just don't ever do it I guess lolol


QUOTE(KamuiSeph @ Feb 15 2019, 08:53) *

No no, Uncle. You don't get it.
He basically said "no one knows where Lithuania is, of course, you also don't know where it is but that's *where my server is"



He said that to a fucking Lithuanian (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I am laughing my goddamn ass off.
I've said *basically* the same thing like a million times before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


I actually live in New York, but since this is hilarious as hell I just might as well be Lithuanian lolol.
Fuck you uncle, how dare you say such thing to a Lithuanian (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Feb 15 2019, 08:57) *

I think that what he means is, after converting the cost of DD1/DD2 in credits, and comparing the ratio of (ADB increase / credits) for it with that for forging, he came up with his conclusion; namely, that it is more worthy to invest in forging up to lv. 5 or 25 of whatever, and after that spend those credits ih Haths for DD then more forging ... which I don't know, because I haven't done the math, but sound at least plausible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


Yep you got it. It's a super rough and personalized estimation tho. For me my weapon constitutes about 15% of adb and a piece of power armor about 7%.

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post Feb 15 2019, 15:57
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 15 2019, 15:48) *

Ehm, but you know that for the end result it does not matter in what order you do that right? I mean forge first or DD first, in the end you have the same damage. And some people are just too stuborn to actually buy forging materials and bindings so they actually get even DD2 before they have fully forged their set. Or at least i have heard of such uncles. Of course i am not talking about any uncle you would know, the uncle i mean is called steve. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)


I think that what he means is, after converting the cost of DD1/DD2 in credits, and comparing the ratio of (ADB increase / credits) for it with that for forging, he came up with his conclusion; namely, that it is more worthy to invest in forging up to lv. 5 or 25 of whatever, and after that spend those credits ih Haths for DD then more forging ... which I don't know, because I haven't done the math, but sound at least plausible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Feb 15 2019, 16:00
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Feb 15 2019, 22:57) *

I think that what he means is, after converting the cost of DD1/DD2 in credits, and comparing the ratio of (ADB increase / credits) for it with that for forging, he came up with his conclusion; namely, that it is more worthy to invest in forging up to lv. 5 or 25 of whatever, and after that spend those credits ih Haths for DD then more forging ... which I don't know, because I haven't done the math, but sound at least plausible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


I think even if math-wise it's more efficient, it's definitely less work to just buy DD.
Your forge lvl might be too low, buying a ton of catalysts, bindings, mats....
Or just click once for DD
Plus, personally I feel bad about wasting mats for equip that's sub optimal.
Like, I forged my rapier (even though it's not that good), but it still feels bad to spend all those mats on something that I'll have to salvage anyways.
But DD doesn't care if I have decent enough gear that can be forged without worry. It's just DD


QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 15 2019, 22:57) *

Fuck you uncle, how dare you say such thing to a Lithuanian



You're the one who said it, not Uncle. You dum dum (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Feb 15 2019, 16:01
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QUOTE(KamuiSeph @ Feb 15 2019, 14:53) *

He said that to a fucking Lithuanian (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 15 2019, 14:53) *

No I just rent a seedbox from Lithuania
QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 15 2019, 14:57) *

I just might as well be Lithuanian lolol.
Fuck you uncle, how dare you say such thing to a Lithuanian (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Now i am confused. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Who is now from lithuania? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And what did i do? I didnt even made a panzer joke. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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