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Ah, that selfdrop rapier is nothing special. It seems everybody gets one on his five year 1H anniversary. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/141492898/634b8421ee

Where's mine then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Where's mine then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Hm, not sure. Maybe you didnt play when you were suppose to get that drop? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Guess I have to patiently wait 4 more years to get a self-drop rapier so I can replace my fiery rapier...

Just how long do you think we've been playing to get our drops / purchase our equipment?
You're complaining about getting nothing while you're power leveling and not doing anything to drop the said good equipment, so you can only blame yourself.

PS:
And it's not directed at you only.

Fair enough, but in my defense I've never heard of the MASO genre until today at least in terms gaming, I've heard of it being used as an abbreviation for masochist but that's about my experience with MASO...

HV is also a masochistic game, so that's not wrong either...

To get better drops, first you have to play a lot. Technically you don't have to, if you are willing to skip Dawns of the Day. This is similar to going into hibernation (although if you want you can play arenas while skipping Dawns and Random Encounters). But assuming you get Dawns and do Random Encounters, there's an Exp race between your grinded Exp versus Dawn Exp.

Second, to get better drops you have to level up as slowly as possible, relative to your amount of play. If you buy too many stars or do too much Adept Learner at a low level, you will powerlevel and you are less likely to have the time to gather decent self-drops for your level.

Third, you should always play on Pfudor but most people do this.

Fourth, if you selectively do certain arenas only you might increase your quality of drops relative to your speed of leveling, but I'm not sure which arenas are best for this. I think it's somewhat balanced out by the arena clear bonus equipment. Players below level 350 may consider avoiding School Girl arenas to level up slower especially since blackjac is AWOL.

Why do you have to skip dawn? Can you elaborate a bit on that?
And blackjac's not here but treesloth's buying SG trophies at the same rate so there's no need to skip SG at least in that aspect. And if they want to level up slower, they may skip DwD but the other two give you less exp per round compared to round 80 and 100. Esp the second SG arena's completely trash in terms of exp gain.

Honestly tho, I'd rather power level and get decent equipments for cheap. At the end of the day, Charged Phase of Heimdall's gonna cost what it cost whether it's lv500 or lv300. If the price of a gear is heavily influenced by its level, it means it's not good enough.Decent self-drops do make you feel better, but that's about it.

Actually I think powerlevelling is better for loot, too. At lower level you can't even find good enough gears to soulfuse because it's so scarce. Powerlevel -> Better gear -> access to pffest/iw -> better loot

Third, you should always play on Pfudor but most people do this.

You make this and those other suggestions to a player who is Level 35? Are for real? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

lmao he probably meant something along the line of "always play at highest difficulty you can manage" I started clearing PFUDOR around 290ish I think. At 35 I'd assume one can hardly cope with Nintendo at best?

Well if you rarely or never bother killing monsters, and only do Dawns of the Day, after years you'll be a naked level 400~500 guy. There's a few guys around who are in this category. You can tell because they have fairly weak equipment, are fairly high level, and have stars.

This doesn't mean we can necessarily laugh at them, as some of the richest catgirls in this game are like this. Most of those rich low level catgirls are still level 0~200 though because they never killed any monster in their whole life. So uh yeah, some of the most powerful players in this game are ultra rich, but are naked and they don't need to mug monsters for a living like we do.

I never said power leveling was bad, I was just responding to others, and the recent discussion about wanting self-drops. If you power level you are unlikely to get drops, but you can buy what you want cheaper from others. Pfudor grindfest and item world don't innately get you better drops, but may help players who can clear all arenas easily in a day, and who want to play more (it also helps in racing Dawn Exp).

Wait Dawn of the Day gives you that much exp? That's quite interesting to hear hmm. But I thought if you don't trigger it the Arena and RE cooldown doesn't reset? And I think any member who's serious about playing HV does that tho. I guess it's possible that they are busy to clear all arenas available but only coming here for dawn seems pretty unlikely to me.

But I still don't understand the part about powerlevelling makes you unlikely to get drops. Putting all things aside, PFUDOR is the same whether you are at lv300 or at lv500. I'm award of the middle ground level where there aren't many gears to buy and you levelled up too fast so you can't manage to clear PFUDOR you could in lower level because the gears didn't scale, but except for that I don't know how powerlevelling by itself adversely affect loot drops.

If you can do PFFEST, it will boost your drop chance because you are killing monsters at PFUDOR difficulty for 1000 rounds. Your drop chance only increases with more playing. But as you mentioned, it's pretty hard to do it on a daily basis ofc...Doesn't it take at least two hours if not more? Ugh

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 15 2019, 11:42

Wait Dawn of the Day gives you that much exp?

5% of the XP you need to reach the next level or 20 dawn = 1 level up.

Doesn't it take at least two hours if not more? Ugh

A whole PFest? I need around three hours.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Feb 15 2019, 11:47

That's a lot, but 0 to 400~500 only with Dawn of a New Day seems like an exaggeration...100 ups with dawn only is roughly 5.5 years. Huh but it's interesting that it's not affected by gold stars and other exp increases tho.
3 hours? You? I'm just not gonna do it...It'll probably take me five hours even if I could survive lmao

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 15 2019, 11:51

I disagree with some of your points...

Technically you don't have to, if you are willing to skip Dawns of the Day. This is similar to going into hibernation (although if you want you can play arenas while skipping Dawns and Random Encounters). But assuming you get Dawns and do Random Encounters, there's an Exp race between your grinded Exp versus Dawn Exp.

sure you could slow down your leveling rate by skipping Dawn...
but by doing this you could not access RE which is AFAIK have the best loot drop roll in this game (on par with arena final round)...
so by doing this you will miss that opportunity...

Players below level 350 may consider avoiding School Girl arenas to level up slower especially since blackjac is AWOL.

currently treesloth volunteer himself to buy trophies in place of blackjac with roughly the same price...
so I think this argument don't valid anymore...
even if he is not doing it anymore, you could sell the trophies by yourself in WTS...
also, the SG arena clear bonus AFAIK are higher than other arena...

IMHO, if you want to increase your drop quality, you need to play alot...
then you also could train more scavenger & quartermaster to further increase the equipment drop rate...
CMIIW...

also, the SG arena clear bonus AFAIK are higher than other arena...

Well, only the clear bonus of DwD is actually something special afaik, but you would still loose quite some credits if you dont do them. Here are my lowest and highest credits drops of two months for the SG arenas on PFUDOR.
150
22.798 - 35.014

125
12-420 - 19.919

110
10.584 - 14.576

Dawn Exp works differently than Exp from killing monsters. Because it is linear, Dawn Exp becomes more relevant on higher level players. So for now you still don't notice it, but you should start to notice it later. I don't know of any player who deliberately skips Dawns, but it's not an unthinkable strategy for starless players from level 400 to 480. The main problem with skipping Dawns is that I believe you must also skip Random Encounters. I think Arenas reset every day without needing to trigger Dawn. (Looking at the wiki it might be wrong about that).

Leveling with only Dawns takes a long time, that's why rich, naked catgirls who never killed a monster are still level 0~200. But there are some naked people who killed some monsters and became level 200~300 in a few weeks, then did only Dawn to become level 400~500.

Powerleveling does not reduce your chances to get drops, but the amount of drops you accumulate and gathered up at a given level will be much less. Because you blew through your low and medium levels in a short time.

Most players including myself don't have the time to clear all arenas every day. That's whats meant by "playing a lot" the first rule in (appearing to) get better drops. But actually I don't think you need to clear all arenas every day, just most of them. Because if you clear less arenas, you can clear the better ones for drops (if such a thing exists). Also if you clear less arenas you can do more Random Encounters instead, and I think they are more lucrative for drops than arenas. As you get higher level you should clear all arenas every day though, and maybe even start adding in grindfests or item world.

Well, to defense his points, I think his focus was more of obtaining self-drops so you can satisfy your needs solely on your drops. For this he might be right because well self-drops are rare and if you level up even at regular pace you will outgrow your equipments soon. But that doesn't mean it increases your loot drop, of course.

I'm only keeping the noodles and selling the rest to treesloth because he takes noodles at 36k instead of 41k lol. I'd sell it to him at 40k, but 36k? Nope.

Most players including myself don't have the time to clear all arenas every day. That's whats meant by "playing a lot" the first rule in (appearing to) get better drops. But actually I don't think you need to clear all arenas every day, just most of them. Because if you clear less arenas, you can clear the better ones for drops (if such a thing exists). Also if you clear less arenas you can do more Random Encounters instead, and I think they are more lucrative for drops than arenas. As you get higher level you should clear all arenas every day though, and maybe even start adding in grindfests or item world.

While we're at it, which arenas do you clear? I used to clear only the second page and I even skipped the first two of second pages for best exp, but now I clear all the arenas with 1,000 clear bonus, i.e. except the first five, for best income. The first five is just so terrible in terms of monsters/round I don't think it's ever worth it tho. But clearing less arenas has nothing to do with RE. RE doesn't even spend stamina.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 15 2019, 12:11

I don't know what arenas I clear. It depends on the day and how much time I have. I am undecided. Clearing less arenas doesn't have anything directly to do with RE, but if you clear less arenas, then indirectly and relatively speaking your life's work is more based on doing REs (which is good) and Dawns (which is bad).

sure you could slow down your leveling rate by skipping Dawn...
but by doing this you could not access RE which is AFAIK have the best loot drop roll in this game...
so by doing this you will miss that opportunity...

the SG arena clear bonus AFAIK are higher than other arena...

IMHO, if you want to increase your drop quality, you need to play alot...
then you also could train more scavenger & quartermaster to further increase the equipment drop rate...

Skipping Dawn was an idea, not a recommendation.

The School Girl clear bonuses are indeed nice, but is it worth leveling up 2~3 times as fast? I have observed that players who did SG arenas every day powerlevel from level 300 to level 340 in a few weeks, even with no stars. So they probably don't drop anything useful between level 300 and 340. That's why I said I was not sure which are the better arenas for drops. Personally, I did use this skipping the SG arenas strategy, and still do. I only do SG arenas for test runs. (And yet, my first peerless came from a DwD clear bonus).

I think it may be best to start doing SG arenas regularly at a higher level, maybe level 370 and above. At that point the Exp gain from SG arenas is manageable and in fact desirable, to outrace your Dawn Exp. At any rate I don't have a choice, as I don't have enough time to play every day and SG arenas take too long for me.

Bringing up Quartermaster/etc training is another factor I hadn't gotten around to discussing yet. But I agree, your training may also influence the ideal way to play. With less training and a lower level, it's best to try to do Random Encounters as much as possible, and you don't need to play all arenas, and your Dawn Exp is irrelevant. With a lot of training and a higher level, your arena drops are getting more competitive with Random Encounters, plus you have an ever-increasing need to outrace Dawn Exp, so you should start trying to do most or all arenas every day, if you have the time.

The School Girl clear bonuses are indeed nice, but is it worth leveling up 2~3 times as fast? I have observed that players who did SG arenas every day powerlevel from level 300 to level 340 in a few weeks, even with no stars. So they probably don't drop anything useful between level 300 and 340. That's why I said I was not sure which are the better arenas for drops. Personally, I did use this skipping the SG arenas strategy, and still do. I only do SG arenas for test runs. (And yet, my first peerless came from a DwD clear bonus).

I was doing all arenas (including SG) on IWBTH and then on PFUDOR and power leveled pretty fast from ~240 to ~350.

I got some decent drops, but definitely nothing spectacular.
Still, I don't really see a downside to leveling up.
Most gear that's lvl 500 is going to be cheaper than equivalent gear lvl ~350.

So what is the downside?


Also, about the whole "play more, get better drops" I mean that's obviously a given. If I don't play at all I get no chance for drops, the more I play the higher my chance to get a drop.
But still, powering through all arenas, every day, for like 3 months and I didn't get anything that good.
I know it's just RNG, but, hey, we can at least be mad at the RNG (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by KamuiSeph: Feb 15 2019, 12:55

Back again, I'm gonna start installing script now that I've got good feel on things so I'm here to ask your guys opinion on what script to get, or what you use, Also, what's School Girl arena? I assume its the one named graduation, but i'm not sure.

@BlueWaterSplash, I understand most of your arguments but what do you mean by outracing Dawn EXP? Keeping Dawn EXP proportion among total EXP as low as possible? Doing more arenas inherently keeps the dawn exp down and inherently gives you better drop chance, but lower dawn exp proportion is something that follows along naturally as you play a lot of arenas, but I don't really think it should be considered an end in itself.

Again, not dropping anything useful during 300 and 340 is not a problem at all. If an item loses its value because its level is too high, well it can gauge up at most 500k~1m even if it were low level. On average I'd say the extra income that you get from clearing SG arenas dwarf expected difference in income you can expect from a useful item drop in 300~340 vs a somewhat less desirable but of same quality 340~380 item. You still expect drops of similar quality, just less desirable cuz higher level players want something better. And items in this category won't net you much in the first place anyways.

I'd say proportion is an illusion. What matters is the absolute drop chance. 24RE only is 100% RE, but 24RE+All arenas is MUCH better in terms of loot drop, and so on.

Back again, I'm gonna start installing script now that I've got good feel on things so I'm here to ask your guys opinion on what script to get, or what you use, Also, what's School Girl arena? I assume its the one named graduation, but i'm not sure.

You don't have to worry about SG Arenas just yet. They are the last three that open at 225,250,300. It's got nothing to do with graduation despite the name 'school girl' lol. It's named as such only because it features elite monsters that are named after school girl anime characters.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 15 2019, 13:16