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post Feb 13 2019, 20:33
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Thanks ppl (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I think I'll slowly make the transition to mage and look out for relevant pieces.
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post Feb 13 2019, 23:06
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 13 2019, 06:52) *


My plan is to first get decent leg rapier of slaughter and leg force shield, and I think there isn't much to discuss here.
For armors, 1. Mag Power Slaughter 2. Leg Power Protection/Balance. Which would be better? Since I'm not gonna go full 1H, I'll probably not waste money buying leg power slaughter.

I want a setup that can get me going at reasonable speed for PFFest as well, and I'd soulfuse them if necessary. I guess the budget I'm thinking of is about 10m total? I don't wanna spend too much since it's gonna be sunk cost..



1H pieces that are non-slaughter are incredibly inexpensive. I've spent less than 500k for my entire current outfit, which is all 90%+ADB Legendary Power. Forge-5 on any of my pieces will cost more than whatever it costed me to obtain them, that's for sure.

In terms of the strength of my build, which is basically low-forged rapier+shield + high-end ADB power (no forge), IA3 (SoL/Spark/Haste)

Arenas: Clear all pretty easily, routinely use mana draughts (but I imperil every round), use a few spirit draughts, PFDWD runs me like an hour though. Once mobs > 7 I start to pay attention a bit more.
IW: Prefer to clear on IWBTH, but can clear all the legendaries I've done (80-90 rounds) on PFUDOR with some management near late rounds.
Grindfest: IWBTH starts getting tough around round 200

My conclusion, based on everyone and their mother in here saying that 1H can be played by monkeys in a room with typewriters, is that forging is essential and must be the piece I'm missing to be able to take my eyes off the screen while playing.

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post Feb 13 2019, 23:52
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QUOTE(ravenfrost123 @ Feb 14 2019, 04:06) *

My conclusion, based on everyone and their mother in here saying that 1H can be played by monkeys in a room with typewriters, is that forging is essential and must be the piece I'm missing to be able to take my eyes off the screen while playing.


check your block and parry.
at your level, if you still can't play 1h without keeping your eyes peeled on the screen, big chance it's your insufficient block/parry
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post Feb 14 2019, 00:00
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check your block and parry.
at your level, if you still can't play 1h without keeping your eyes peeled on the screen, big chance it's your insufficient block/parry


74.8 pmit
70.7 mmit
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57.6 blk
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16.8 res

I've been thinking about moving from forge-13 on the shield to forge-30 for blk. I haven't been willing to spend the RA required to forge dex on the armors, those maybe I should be forging dex at least on a rapier (hoping to move on from my current one soon enough) and the shield.
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post Feb 14 2019, 00:23
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More like everyone is overestimating the tankiness of 1H. Under lvl390-400, cheesing through everything requires a max forged Parry on the weapon and quite a high level of forging on the shield.

Even at my level, with a very high proficiency, a full Peerless set, fully forged Peerless shortsword (except ADB), moderate forging of shield and Forge 10 power set, I still need to use Silence during PFFEST in order not to heal too often.

Keep in mind that it's not everyone who has the means to full forge a shield or a weapon.
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post Feb 14 2019, 00:46
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Feb 13 2019, 20:23) *

More like everyone is overestimating the tankiness of 1H. Under lvl390-400, cheesing through everything requires a max forged Parry on the weapon and quite a high level of forging on the shield.

Even at my level, with a very high proficiency, a full Peerless set, fully forged Peerless shortsword (except ADB), moderate forging of shield and Forge 10 power set, I still need to use Silence during PFFEST in order not to heal too often.

Keep in mind that it's not everyone who has the means to full forge a shield or a weapon.


And with that, what are your numbers? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Feb 14 2019, 04:29
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what is the ADB when talking about equipment? from wiki i know is "Attack Damage Bonus" so higher the better, but how to calc ADB of an equipment?

im also confuse about DOT, like "Bleeding Wound: 23.6% chance - 7 turns / 20% DOT, +662 Slashing Damage" is it means when bleeding affect, each click effect 662 * 20% blood?
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post Feb 14 2019, 04:38
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QUOTE(shiyun @ Feb 13 2019, 21:29) *

what is the ADB when talking about equipment? from wiki i know is "Attack Damage Bonus" so higher the better, but how to calc ADB of an equipment?

im also confuse about DOT, like "Bleeding Wound: 23.6% chance - 7 turns / 20% DOT, +662 Slashing Damage" is it means when bleeding affect, each click effect 662 * 20% blood?


ADB is simply the very first attribute of equipment (if it has damage bonus) like heavy armors or simply its damage for weapons. If you mean the %, use scripts like live percentile

I guess 20% DOT means your damage *20% + 662 each tick (over time)?

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post Feb 14 2019, 04:40
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QUOTE(ravenfrost123 @ Feb 13 2019, 16:06) *

1H pieces that are non-slaughter are incredibly inexpensive. I've spent less than 500k for my entire current outfit, which is all 90%+ADB Legendary Power. Forge-5 on any of my pieces will cost more than whatever it costed me to obtain them, that's for sure.

In terms of the strength of my build, which is basically low-forged rapier+shield + high-end ADB power (no forge), IA3 (SoL/Spark/Haste)

Arenas: Clear all pretty easily, routinely use mana draughts (but I imperil every round), use a few spirit draughts, PFDWD runs me like an hour though. Once mobs > 7 I start to pay attention a bit more.
IW: Prefer to clear on IWBTH, but can clear all the legendaries I've done (80-90 rounds) on PFUDOR with some management near late rounds.
Grindfest: IWBTH starts getting tough around round 200

My conclusion, based on everyone and their mother in here saying that 1H can be played by monkeys in a room with typewriters, is that forging is essential and must be the piece I'm missing to be able to take my eyes off the screen while playing.


non-slaughter are inexpensive, but I doubt you can get something of your quality for less than a 500k nowadays, they start at least 200k or so per piece if you go to this week's auction. Anyways, I really gotta upgrade my gears tho as I'm starting to not kill off some with OFC, a huge issue..

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post Feb 14 2019, 08:36
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QUOTE(mouisaac @ Feb 14 2019, 04:38) *

ADB is simply the very first attribute of equipment (if it has damage bonus) like heavy armors or simply its damage for weapons. If you mean the %, use scripts like live percentile


sorry i still dont understand it.
only "power" heavy armor has attack damage, so only power armor and weapon has ADB? or all attribute count?
in pc, when hover on an attribute, it will show a base number, is it means value of this attribute in level 1?
is ADB means (base of this equipment / max base of this kind of equipment) * % ?


some other questions (guess i will have a very long question list for a very long time...):

Untradeable equipment cannot send by MM right? so cannot let other player help on IW of SoulFused items.

is BAZAAR shop same to everyone? means if i see an equipment in shop, other player also see it, first come first serve?

almost everyday i see legendary items in equipment shop, usually 10~20k. are they sold by other player or refresh by shop itself? worth to buy?
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post Feb 14 2019, 09:06
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Feb 13 2019, 22:46) *

And with that, what are your numbers? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

It usually takes me around 1h45-1h50. Don't remember the number of turns.
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post Feb 14 2019, 09:10
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In order to understand ADB and percentile, you need to know how your stat is calculated. Refer to the following links:

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Level_Scaling
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges

Essentially, stat of an item is primarily determined by its innate base stat, scaled by level of the item. But base stat varies from item to item, and there exist different ranges of value a base stat can assume for each quality.

ADB expressed as percentile indicates how good the base stat is relative to the values it can have. For instance, a legendary rapier of slaughter can have base stat of damage 42.8~51.33. If the base is 42.8. ADB would be 0%, and if it's 51.33, 100%.

Honestly though, you don't have to worry much about it at your level. Another important factor, especially for ADB, is level scaling. So a lv100 ADB 100% might be lower than lv200 ADB 0%, so you just have to look out for equipment with the best flat stat, not the best percentile.

Percentile matters for high-end gears, because if its percentile is really good, you can soulfuse it, which binds the equipment to you (untradeable), and the the equipment level matches yours, so in this case higher percentile, aka higher base, means higher stat.

I've never purchased anything from bazaar, but normally you can't sell item you bought from bazaar (Not that anybody would want to buy a bazaar-quality item, but that's another story) In short, don't buy it. Yes you may find gem in bazaar but that's as good as winning the lottery and getting peerless equip, so in practical sense there's no point in discussing the edge case.

The thing is, you can't equip an item whose level is higher than you, and I bet all that legendary items you saw have lv500. The earliest you can equip those is lv.400, because you can soulfuse items up to your level+100, but when you are there you'll be the one who throw out garbage leg at bazaar.

Bazaar is mostly same to everyone, except for when you salvage an item. Only you can see the item you salvaged over the next 24 hours, and you can buy it back at 5*normal bazaar price or 10k, whichever is higher.

TL;DR

1. Untradeable equipment cannot be sent by MM.
2. Bazaar shop is same except for salvaged item.
3. Don't buy anything from Bazaar.
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post Feb 14 2019, 09:10
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QUOTE(shiyun @ Feb 14 2019, 01:36) *

sorry i still dont understand it.
only "power" heavy armor has attack damage, so only power armor and weapon has ADB? or all attribute count?
in pc, when hover on an attribute, it will show a base number, is it means value of this attribute in level 1?
is ADB means (base of this equipment / max base of this kind of equipment) * % ?
some other questions (guess i will have a very long question list for a very long time...):

Untradeable equipment cannot send by MM right? so cannot let other player help on IW of SoulFused items.

is BAZAAR shop same to everyone? means if i see an equipment in shop, other player also see it, first come first serve?

almost everyday i see legendary items in equipment shop, usually 10~20k. are they sold by other player or refresh by shop itself? worth to buy?


1) ADB -> Attack damage bonus. Only weapons, power armor, and shade armor will have it.

2) Yes, untradeable in fact means what it says - you will have to IW soulfused/bazaared equipments.

3) Yes, bazaar is the same for everyone - first come first serve.

4) Sold by other players. Usually not worth it, but if you see a decent one that you can use (i.e. good prefix/suffix and within 100 levels of you) it can be good.
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post Feb 14 2019, 09:26
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Hi mage people, so I am going to decide my element based on the first nice staff I can buy, i.e. LTWD, LSWD // LARD, LFRD, LDWD.

I'll probably try to find one of the last three since most likely I can't afford the wind/elec and the cloth for them. Thing is, what about LAWD, LAKD, LFWD, LFKD, LDKD? They are less good, in other words, cheaper, so maybe I would consider them as starting gears if the diff is not too significant. Any thoughts on that?

I think a difference between LARD and LAWD maybe different from the diff between LDWD and LDKD as well, right?

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post Feb 14 2019, 11:31
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AFAIK it's based on whether the staff have native counter-resist and element...
oak and willow are have native CR so they're the best for GF...
but willow don't have fiery and arctic element natively so they're less desirable than LFRD and LARD...
and from yesterday discussion I get that for arena you don't need as much CR as GF...
maybe Pen5 will be enough to compensate the lack of native CR for arena only???
CMIIW... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Feb 14 2019, 16:07
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 14 2019, 08:26) *

Hi mage people, so I am going to decide my element based on the first nice staff I can buy, i.e. LTWD, LSWD // LARD, LFRD, LDWD.

I'll probably try to find one of the last three since most likely I can't afford the wind/elec and the cloth for them. Thing is, what about LAWD, LAKD, LFWD, LFKD, LDKD? They are less good, in other words, cheaper, so maybe I would consider them as starting gears if the diff is not too significant. Any thoughts on that?

I think a difference between LARD and LAWD maybe different from the diff between LDWD and LDKD as well, right?

I played LARD until level 500. Works fine for pffest. Just not as fast as willow. Elec or wind are not crazy expensive, if you ignore the near perfect gear. Don't rule those out beforehand
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post Feb 14 2019, 16:34
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Feb 14 2019, 05:06) *

It usually takes me around 1h45-1h50. Don't remember the number of turns.


Oh, I'm sorry, I think I expressed myself badly. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I was referring to the statistics of your set (Physical Attack, Vitals, Defense, Specific Mitigation). It's because you said that you need to use Silence, I was wondering what your defensive numbers would be.

But regardless, I consider your time very good. The last time I did a PFUDORfest (a few months ago), it took about 3h15min. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) My t/s is bad... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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post Feb 14 2019, 17:12
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Feb 14 2019, 09:07) *

I played LARD until level 500. Works fine for pffest. Just not as fast as willow. Elec or wind are not crazy expensive, if you ignore the near perfect gear. Don't rule those out beforehand


I guess my question was more of how LAWD compete with LARD and so on. I'm not ruling out anything as of now, but rather if both LTWD and LARD shows up on auction and I can afford one and not other, then that's gonna decide my fate I guess. Not necessarily LTWD would rule out LARD if LARD has better stats and LTWD not as good, so all I could do is just wait for some stave to come out on the market.

I'm not in that much of a hurry so I'll just consider the best combination possible, i.e. no LTRD or LAWD.

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How'd you guys compare these two items?

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Second equipment is roughly a little bit better in every way, except the first one has fire mitigation. I just find it kinda tricky to take something as minor as fire mitigation into consideration when evaluating an equipment
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 14 2019, 19:07) *

How'd you guys compare these two items?

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Second equipment is roughly a little bit better in every way, except the first one has fire mitigation. I just find it kinda tricky to take something as minor as fire mitigation into consideration when evaluating an equipment

The difference is marginal. I'd pick the one with fire mitigation because when you play IW or GF eventually all kind of damage start to add up to deeper you go.
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