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Well, if you're playing DW or Niten, your advice is super-uber-duper valid, go with double nimble DW and get a nimble waki instead of balance with your katana, you will get a lot of extra defense.

But 1h, sorry, no, that's not a good idea.
The whole 1h point is that offense is your best defense, and the shield will do the rest.
So you have to get:
- void damage, so hollowforged weapon
- penetrated armor, so a rapier
- a force shield, to get at least 40% block to start with
- damage, so POWER ARMORS, trust me, I was a low level too, when the monsters were stronger at that level and, plate sucks, if you take ages to kill monsters, you die sooner or later, even with shielding plate
- damage, again, so rapier of slaughter, even exquisite to start with, just pick a STR/DEX slaughter with a good roll (~40 base ADB unforged)
If you can't manage to do all the above points, absolutely avoid pfudor.

I perfectly remember the first time I started playing pfudor reliably outside of REs: my equipment was:
- this stick (iwed using this branch)
- a mag force shield (33 base block iirc) with horrible pabs (EA), unforged
- mag power helmet of balance with horrible rolls without dex
- mag power armor of protection with decent rolls (the iw wasn't there back in the day)
- exq power gauntlets without str
- exq power leggings without dex
- mag power boots with very a bad adb roll
All selfdrop/bazaar stuff.

1h is all about the power. And having a shield worthy being called shield or so.

This post has been edited by Juggernaut Santa: Jan 18 2018, 02:53

- damage, so POWER ARMORS, trust me, I was a low level too, when the monsters were stronger at that level and, plate sucks, if you take ages to kill monsters, you die sooner or later, even with shielding plate

It is all a matter of the level (￢_￢; ) you are on. Obviously the closer you get to 300 the more relevant power armors start to get. At some point, power ╰(*´︶`*)╯ armors pay for the loss of mitigations (considering price per price) but at low levels using plate is the difference between being able to finish an arena on a difficulty to finishing it on the one immediately higher°˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°.

This post has been edited by reality_marble: Jan 18 2018, 03:21

PA is not mandatory. Imperil + shorrtsword does the job very, very well too.
But I agree with the fact that at some point, a player has to admit his limits instead of trying to make himself bigger than he is.

I too did start playing PFUDOR 1H with mostly Exq/Mag stuff. It was very difficult back then. Even today, I still need a better shield, but I don't feel like throwing away 4-5M in something that will only allow me to replace a SDA with a SDE of comparable block. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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A SDA Force Shield is totally ok, just forge the shit out of it if the block is around 90%

guys, what is the best IW potency for club/axe - rapier (DW) and rapier-shield (one hand) style?

guys, what is the best IW potency for club/axe - rapier (DW) and rapier-shield (one hand) style?

Butcher/Fatality for club/rapier DW, butcher/fatality for rapier 1H too.

guys, what is the best IW potency for club/axe - rapier (DW) and rapier-shield (one hand) style?

Butcher/Fatality for club/rapier DW, butcher/fatality for rapier 1H too.

This, and Axe DW needs some Overpower.

Yeah, that too. Though they should consider themselves lucky to even be able to consider doing it, because before the HP scaling level PFUDOR monsters were pretty much unkillable for someone below Lvl300. But since then, there are more and more low level Mags and Legs on the market, and the reason is quite easy to find...
I mean, before that update the average Lvl300 player still was geared mostly with Exquisite, now they're all full Mag+Leg.

And I want to know why on Earth one should spend millions in forging 25 times a Mag force shield while the same effect can be achieved with a mere weapon or Leg SDA/DEA Force shield that's worth 200-300k at most.

Even with greater availability of better equipment, low-level players still suffer from other demands. The main one is the lack of credits. With few credits, many can not afford to buy the best equipment for their level. That's why most players would not be able to do many upgrades either, or at least they would not feel confident that this would be a good investment (after all, this game offers a lot of things to invest in, but we never have enough credits to fulfill our desires (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) ; exception: Hath Barons (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ).

Another problem is the level difference between the player and the equipment. Most low level players do not have enough fragments to make soulfuse, and the cost to buy them is high.

And it also has a certain impatience of most beginners in wanting to level up quickly, and the desire to get "definitive" equipment as soon as possible.

- damage, so POWER ARMORS, trust me, I was a low level too, when the monsters were stronger at that level and, plate sucks, if you take ages to kill monsters, you die sooner or later, even with shielding plate

Well, I was not defeated that easily. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) But in my case I think I was an exception, because shortly after level 250 or 260 (I do not remember exactly) I already used 2 Magnificent (Buckler and Sabatons), 3 Legendary (Cuirass, Gauntlets and Greaves) and 1 Peerless (Helmet). Only my weapon was Exquisite (Axe of Slaughter). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) But in a very short time (at most 10 levels) I changed the 3 lower equipment by Legendary.

I did not use Power at that time for two reasons: I was not lucky enough to find good equipment, either by self drop, nor in the bazaar (very high level to make soulfuse), and also because it was expensive to make the repairs (after all, I was extremely poor, and did not attend the forum at that time). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This, and Axe DW needs some Overpower.

I forgot to mention this, what about estoc 2 hand style?

This post has been edited by sangerex: Jan 18 2018, 04:46

i have 0 interf and 6.3 burden so
0 burden by shard make sense?

#1 how to know the high/low/avg price of hath in the exchange for last month or more longer?
#2 same question but price of kGP

A SDA Force Shield is totally ok, just forge the shit out of it if the block is around 90%

If you just use it as step to a good SDE shield i would agree. I used a SDA shield for a few months, but i was quite happy when i finaly could switch it with a SDE.

If you just use it as step to a good SDE shield i would agree. I used a SDA shield for a few months, but i was quite happy when i finaly could switch it with a SDE.

I've checked wiki and I can't find SDE or SDA, what are those?

I've checked wiki and I can't find SDE or SDA, what are those?

Str, Dex, End (SDE)
Str, Dex, Agi (SDA)

Basically the primary attribute bonus of the equipment mmm...

Yeah, that too. Though they should consider themselves lucky to even be able to consider doing it, because before the HP scaling level PFUDOR monsters were pretty much unkillable for someone below Lvl300. But since then, there are more and more low level Mags and Legs on the market, and the reason is quite easy to find...
I mean, before that update the average Lvl300 player still was geared mostly with Exquisite, now they're all full Mag+Leg.

And I want to know why on Earth one should spend millions in forging 25 times a Mag force shield while the same effect can be achieved with a mere weapon or Leg SDA/DEA Force shield that's worth 200-300k at most.

Well, let's see how much it costs to forge 25 Times Block on a Mag Froce Shield.
Supposing that the Player buying all the Material from
morineko
and
Sato Rina
which is cheaper (even if temporary no Stock)

If the Mag Force Shield starts with 4 Low 2 Mid, it needs:
Low-Grade Wood @ 120 X 41 = 4920
Mid-Grade Wood @ 400 X 96 = 38400
High-Grade Wood @7200 X 1 = 7200
Diluted Catalyst @450 X 15 = 6750
Regular Catalyst @900 X 10 = 9000
Binding of the Barrier @3000 X 20 = 60000
Defense Matrix Modulator @10000 X 25 = 250000

Total = 376270

If the Mag Force Shield starts with 2 Low 4 Mid, it needs:
Low-Grade Wood @ 120 X 13 = 1560
Mid-Grade Wood @ 400 X 111 = 44400
High-Grade Wood @7200 X 14 = 100800
Regular Catalyst @900 X 15 = 13500
Robust Catalyst @2250 X 10 = 22500
Binding of the Barrier @3000 X 20 = 60000
Defense Matrix Modulator @10000 X 25 = 250000

Total = 492760

It worths to investiment, if he/she is lucky to get one.

I feel like I have to struggle more in battle (PFUDOR) with these rapier and shield. And I got my stats below. Any suggestion? I guess I have to stay on iwbth a bit longer...

I feel like I have to struggle more in battle (PFUDOR) with these rapier and shield. And I got my stats below. Any suggestion? I guess I have to stay on iwbth a bit longer...

Your hp is low, consider getting +hp hath perk, forging end or getting juggernaut on armor. Or putting points from agility into end, why do you even have agi?
Your phys.mit seems to be quite low too, consider switching 1-2 power pieces to shielding plate.

This post has been edited by Nayas: Jan 18 2018, 11:14

This, and Axe DW needs some Overpower.

I want to know how often monsters do parry attacks, before admitting that Overpower is better than F5B4/B5F4.

@chjj:
Entry level Leg force shield is still a better idea, though it's true that forging appears to be less expensive than I thought.
... and I'm stuck with my 76% SDA for a looooong while. :/

This post has been edited by decondelite: Jan 18 2018, 11:41

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You should not invest anymore credits into Agi, you just dont benefit from it at all and just waste money you could use otherwhise. Well, you didnt show us your armor but i guess you dont have IW any of them? At least that is what your HP number does tell me. So if you are able to, i suggest go for at least Jug3 per armor piece, that alone should allready increase your survivability. Also hit chance is something you dont really need to forge, i know there is this guy that tells people otherwhise, but he is wrong. Btw is see you have focused on upgrade parry, that was a good idea, if you hadnt do this allready i had suggest it. It also looks like as if your parry and block are okay for your lvl, so upgrade PM and MM a bit, and to also increase your HP even more some End.
Btw, there is nothing wrong with staying on IWBTH until you are really ready for PFUDOR, so dont rush yourself. Someday you will cut trough PFUDOR Monster like a hot knife trought butter. No doubt about that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

You should not invest anymore credits into Agi, you just dont benefit from it at all and just waste money you could use otherwhise. Well, you didnt show us your armor but i guess you dont have IW any of them? At least that is what your HP number does tell me. So if you are able to, i suggest go for at least Jug3 per armor piece, that alone should allready increase your survivability. Also hit chance is something you dont really need to forge, i know there is this guy that tells people otherwhise, but he is wrong. Btw is see you have focused on upgrade parry, that was a good idea, if you hadnt do this allready i had suggest it. It also looks like as if your parry and block are okay for your lvl, so upgrade PM and MM a bit, and to also increase your HP even more some End.
Btw, there is nothing wrong with staying on IWBTH until you are really ready for PFUDOR, so dont rush yourself. Someday you will cut trough PFUDOR Monster like a hot knife trought butter. No doubt about that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Yes, I don't do any IW for my (each?) equipments like in sig below..

helmet from auction
armor from drop with no jugg
bought gauntlets from bazzar
leggings from drop with a bit jugg
boots I won from auction last week

And I don't have a single perks (except postage), and yes (again) I decreasing my agility again to increase the STR DEX END like the two of you said before and I got slightly increased attack acc and PMit. Maybe I'll try pfudor in 1-2days to see how long I can survive in the last 2 stage of arenas before SG and maybe I'll go back to be a hentai again...

Thank you so much for your advices...