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noice noice...reason for IWing 1H weapon? Does it sell for more or potential drops? And reason for salvagin specifically shield, staff, cloth? When I salvage/bazaar I tend to just blindly follow what HV Utils give me but would be interested to know your criterion

For drops, credits, XP. And nope, they sell the same as everythingelse. IW has nothing to do with bazaar price. And even when you didnt ask, why 1H weapon? Easy, when you click IW the 1H tab is what pops up first, so the reason for that is uncle is lazzy and likes to save some clicks when possible. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

Yeah, and that is the reason why i dont even use such things. They just make you blind. Well what do you think why someone should salvage mag shield, staff and cloth? Could it be that it has something to do with HGW and HGC? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

lolol I guess you have a point there. I think my salvaging/bazaar would resemble yours mechanically as the userscript takes into account of price of HGW and HGC and recommend me to salvage those, but yea I was a bit too lazy to figure out something so obvious lol.

That being said, the userscript literally assigns salvage value of 0 to light armors because leathers lmao.

Well the price for HGL is somewhere between 100 and 50 credits each, so of course you should prefer to bazaar Mag leather stuff which comes at least close to 1k. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Can I start making the transition to mage? How much money should I start with and what elemental builds? I've seen that holy/dark are the best but I don't think I can afford them at this time. Right now I have about 6m if I sell all my haths. (I'm broke after that GS purchase lmao)

I'm reading through the wiki right now and it's super extensive! Thank you whoever wrote it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
As for 4 Phase+1 Proficiency/3 Phase+2 Proficiency, does the specific parts to be Phase/proficiency matter? Also, what do you recommend between the two (for my case)?

Right now I'm considering following the step 1 of the Mage Builds Guide by spamming some spells and train my assimilator, which is 0 rn. Also, I have only 40 extra ability points, is that too little? What are some spells that are used by mage besides the elemental spells T1~T3 on a regular basis? Let me know if I've omitted any spell below (or put something not used):

Imperil, cure, regen, haste, shadow veil, sol, arcane focus, ss

I've attached my proficiency and theoretical stat distribution based on the wiki for reference. Any feedback greatly, greatly appreciated.



EDIT: Right now I'm considering going with 1H Mage to get started. What's your thoughts on that? Although I really don't know what 1H Mage is...Do I just swap out Force Shield and Power Armor with Buckler and Phase/Cloth?
EDIT2: Is prof factor = effective_prof/level - 1? And I want this to be at least 0.68 right?
EDIT3: What are the key factors I look for in mage items? MDB>EDB>Prof? Forge armor to Jug3 and staff to Pen5Spel3?

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 13 2019, 13:25

Most of your questions are too broad. I suggest you understand the pros and cons of each elements, and their relative prices before you ask some broad questions. Otherwise, I just don't know where to start...

Quick answers to some of your questions.
1h mage is weak. You can try but no it's weak.
[quote]Is prof factor = effective_prof/level - 1?[/quote]
Yea
For imperil elementals>0.68
Imp holy/dark>0.8
Any non-imp>1.0
[quote]What are the key factors I look for in mage items? MDB>EDB>Prof? Forge armor to Jug3 and staff to Pen5Spel3?[quote]
varies for different equipments.
Generally, for phases, EDB>CS>others.
For cottons, profs>=CS>others
For destruction suffix staffs>MDB>EDB>=profs>=counter-resist
For LHOH/MHOH, EDB>MDB>=profs>=counter-resist
[quote]4 Phase+1 Proficiency/3 Phase+2 Proficiency[/quote]
3+2 for non-imp
4+1 for imp styles. Beginners may use 2 cottons.

This post has been edited by -vincento-: Feb 13 2019, 13:52

Thank you for the reply! I'm searching through the past replies on ATA to get some idea of what I want to do. I probably can't manage dark/holy so I'm gonna go with elemental, not bother with 1H mage as you said.

I've read it's basically like this: Wind,Elec > Cold >> Fire. I'm going to look out for LTWD, LSWD, LARD, and decide whichever I can get first.

For cotton parts, shoes then gloves. Should I get them all my armors to be charged/radiant I guess? (I'm not if I can afford them tho lol)

As for making the transition, how much prof factor do I need before trying to clear arenas as mage? I don't think it's reasonable to get to 0.68 by casting imperils and spells as 1H Heavy...
I think maybe I should get a mediocre cotton glove until I get enough prof then move on to phase glove.

Anyways, thank you~~

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 13 2019, 14:15

Holy is for the rich, but dark is also very cheap. as cheap as fire and cold. Dark is faster than elementals, but more mana consuming and low casting speed.

Fire and cold are underrated. Wind/elec are stronger, but their charged phases also 5~10 times expensive.
For cottons, I suggest gloves rather than shoes. That's a personal opinion. There is barely any difference between shoes and gloves. But gloves are cheaper, and they offer more profs.

0.68 is a goal, not a must.Your profs gained is calculated by exp gained, meaning you gain the same amount of profs as 1h as mage.
It's easy for 4+1 elementalists to reach 0.68 with profs fully forged gloves, staff and the prof perk.

As for stats, I keep Agility the highest, then INT=WIS=END. Dex also gives you parry, and my dex is at 400. Since the cost on attributes are like exponential, it's better to distribute them evenly. Mages need defensive stats.

6m is enough if you go plain phrases. If you go IW and gf in the future, charges are necessary. If only Arenas, plain phases are fine.

Most of your questions are too broad. I suggest you understand the pros and cons of each elements, and their relative prices before you ask some broad questions. Otherwise, I just don't know where to start...

Quick answers to some of your questions.
1h mage is weak. You can try but no it's weak.

Yea
For imperil elementals>0.68
Imp holy/dark>0.8
Any non-imp>1.0

3+2 for non-imp
4+1 for imp styles. Beginners may use 2 cottons.

Just an add-on.
For non imperil holy on the top 3 SG arenas:
DJNoni has mentioned that the prof is not as important as pure mdb/edb of all phase for the top 3 arenas.
I tested and compared that theory on the SG arenas and the non-SG arenas, and he is correct.
On the higher non-SG areans, it's back to 4+1.

Just throwing that in.

Thank you for your input guys~~
So I guess I'll also consider dark as well. It seems for clearing arena purpose dark might be the fastest, so that's cool.
If I were to go dark mage, my cotton piece should be robe right?

I think eventually when I level up to 400~500 my stats would go more even, but I guess I'll roughly follow the guideline for now.

So my current goal would be to get plain phases around my level and play around with it, make some money and get soulfuse-worthy charged pieces one by one.

Thank you guys~

P.S. This might be dumb, but number of spells cast in a round shouldn't affect proficiency gain right, i.e. I get same amount as long as I cast at least once?

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 13 2019, 15:12

How useful is the cheaper mage pieces (~200k)?

What would my expected DwD PFUDOR turn count be, provided ~2m budget at most?

There's so many mage pieces floating around, some for decently cheap.

Also, does a fire set requires higher proficiency than other element as the distinct difference? Or is there anymore catches regarding resistance?

If you'd like to try 1H-Mage, make sure that you can alreaddy clear all Arenas at PFUDOR with Staff-Mage. (But it doesn't mean that you need to clear all of them everyday, I don't think from First Blood to A Rolling Stone are worthy playing if you've unlocked all the Arenas.)

Why do some of us try 1H-Mage? My Argument ist, that those Player (and also I) want to try PFUDOR Fest and sometimes need to do some PFUDOR IWs, but our Staff-Mage is not strong enough. That means, if we do those with our Staff-Mage,we must use a lot of Items other than Draught and Potion, or we can't finish the Work. In this Situation, 1H-Melee is the second Choice, if we have our 1H-Melee Set. 1H-Mage is the third Choice, we can still use the Phase and Cotton in our Staff-Mage Set, it costs much less Items other than Draught and Potion regarding to Staff-Mage, and it's quicker than 1H-Melee.

so,

1. Don't use 1H-Mage in Arenas, especially in the last three ones.

2. If you want to play a lot in PFUDOR Fest or IW, don't use 1H-Mage, just make your Staff-Mage Set stronger and use Scrolls if you need.

Thank you for your input guys~~
So I guess I'll also consider dark as well, does dark also want destruction suffix? Both destruction and demon-fiend are d so super confusing lolol. It seems for clearing arena purpose dark might be the fastest, so that's cool.
If I were to go dark mage, my cotton piece should be robe right?

I think eventually when I level up to 400~500 my stats would go more even, but I guess I'll roughly follow the guideline for now.

So my current goal would be to get plain phases around my level and play around with it, make some money and get soulfuse-worthy charged pieces one by one.

Thank you guys~

P.S. This might be dumb, but number of spells cast in a round shouldn't affect proficiency gain right, i.e. I get same amount as long as I cast at least once?

You can take my dark set as reference. Basically you have two choices.
1. Go robe, but a charged dark robe is very expensive. In addition, you need some time to get enough profs, and fully forge its prof, which would take you 200+ HGC. You can start with a plain cotton.
2. Go straight charged cotton shoes and gloves. These two slots are much cheaper, even with charged prefix. And you don't need to fully forged them, but you might need to salvage them at the end because a robe/pants/cap is better once you got high profs.
Dark is low casting speed, so I suggest get at least 2~3 charged pieces if there is any available. Usually 1~2.5m for a mediocre charged phases.

For dark, demonic willow staff of destruction is the best.
Also consider fire/cold mages. They are also cheap and good. Remind ya (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Redwood for Arenas, willow for IW and GF.

So my current goal would be to get plain phases around my level and play around with it, make some money and get soulfuse-worthy charged pieces one by one.

Correct. There is no need to switch to mage before your build can handle Arenas easily.
Just set up a key in monsterbation to cast a tie-one spell at the first monster at the beginning of each round as your current style. That's the most efficient way to gain profs right now. T
hat's what I did when I switch to dark, as well as when I change from dark to holy.

This post has been edited by -vincento-: Feb 13 2019, 15:27

Thank you so much <3

Honestly at this point, I'll probably decide on the specific element or dark based on the staff I can get on the auction. Unfortunately as of now I don't see ANY staff with matching type and elements, so I have my fingers crossed for Super's auction...I'll probably set up a keybinding once I'm sure about if I want element or dark, at the very least lol. I'd take demonic katalox, but not so sure about wind/elec redwood or fire/cold willow.

I think the second option you suggested is somewhat more viable for me, but for now it's more like gaining proficiencies really...Do I need to work on my dep prof as well? I cast them during SG but I think it'd be pain in the butt to do them on normies as well lol.

How useful is the cheaper mage pieces (~200k)?

What would my expected DwD PFUDOR turn count be, provided ~2m budget at most?

There's so many mage pieces floating around, some for decently cheap.

Also, does a fire set requires higher proficiency than other element as the distinct difference? Or is there anymore catches regarding resistance?

I used to play mage with all plain armors.
I didn't forge phase and I only forge <20 for prof cotton.
It took me 2300~2500t for PF DwD.
But I had my staff nearly full forged, that was ~10m investment on it.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Feb 13 2019, 15:35

That's still twice as fast as 1H armor lmao. Is that the trend for rest of the arenas as well?

There's significant difference between being able to clear and clear it reasonably well, right? For instance right now it takes me almost fucking 6k turns to clear PFDwD with my current 1H lol. How's it for mage? If I can start to clear it I'll already be better off than the best I could hope for in 1H Power?

That's still twice as fast as 1H armor lmao. Is that the trend for rest of the arenas as well?

There's significant difference between being able to clear and clear it reasonably well, right? For instance right now it takes me almost fucking 6k turns to clear PFDwD with my current 1H lol. How's it for mage? If I can start to clear it I'll already be better off than the best I could hope for in 1H Power?

provided you could survive, turn count wise, maging will always faster than 1h to clear most (if not any) content.
just be advised, the 10 mil that qr12345 mention for just the staff is not an exaggeration.
I clear PFDwD at around 3k turns using dark set which I believe still considered a very cheap investment for mage (little forged phase, fully forged clothes and staff), but it's still cost waaaay over what I ever spent on my 1h set (which I wear to clear PFGF blindfolded).
if you try being cheapskate in playing mage, you'll meet a new dimension of hurt and self-disappointment.

Meanwhile there's me dragging 8.5 on just IWBTH (no problem surviving though, just draughts) on my 2H.

Although my weapon is so outdated it's painful to look at. Still waiting for a goood Estoc to invest on.

For dark, demonic willow staff of destruction is the best.
Also consider fire/cold mages. They are also cheap and good. Remind ya (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Redwood for Arenas, willow for IW and GF.

how is demonic willow compared to demonic katalox???
I got myself this Legendary Demonic Katalox Staff of Destruction for 50k from auctions...
I know it's not the best but should I really find the willow one if I only plan to use it on arena esp. SG arena???

also need some insight about my planned poor dark mage equipments... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Staff Cap Robe Gloves Cotton Pants
still searching for a good plain phase shoes atm...

which one should I change???
I also have Legendary Onyx Cotton Gloves of the Demon-fiend in mind when you mention 2 prof cotton work better at the start...

Can I start making the transition to mage? How much money should I start with and what elemental builds? I've seen that holy/dark are the best but I don't think I can afford them at this time. Right now I have about 6m if I sell all my haths. (I'm broke after that GS purchase lmao)

I'm reading through the wiki right now and it's super extensive! Thank you whoever wrote it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
As for 4 Phase+1 Proficiency/3 Phase+2 Proficiency, does the specific parts to be Phase/proficiency matter? Also, what do you recommend between the two (for my case)?

Right now I'm considering following the step 1 of the Mage Builds Guide by spamming some spells and train my assimilator, which is 0 rn. Also, I have only 40 extra ability points, is that too little? What are some spells that are used by mage besides the elemental spells T1~T3 on a regular basis? Let me know if I've omitted any spell below (or put something not used):

Imperil, cure, regen, haste, shadow veil, sol, arcane focus, ss

I've attached my proficiency and theoretical stat distribution based on the wiki for reference. Any feedback greatly, greatly appreciated.



EDIT: Right now I'm considering going with 1H Mage to get started. What's your thoughts on that? Although I really don't know what 1H Mage is...Do I just swap out Force Shield and Power Armor with Buckler and Phase/Cloth?
EDIT2: Is prof factor = effective_prof/level - 1? And I want this to be at least 0.68 right?
EDIT3: What are the key factors I look for in mage items? MDB>EDB>Prof? Forge armor to Jug3 and staff to Pen5Spel3?

I guess I wrote most of that guide in the wiki, but based on advice of experts before me.

Budget of 6m is not enough.
1. Elemenal hath perk 1000 hath.
2. Staff fully forged 25-30m
3. Basic cloth pieces, prof cotton fully forged 25m

Then you have a decent mage set. You can go cheaper without forging, but it will not play as well as 1h. 1h mage is a nice way of gaining Element proficiency. But you can also just cast one Element spell each round while playing 1h. Also imperil every round.

So I need at least 60m to just get started?? :s
I thought players start making transitions to mage around 350~400, but I can't see myself making that money while getting to lv400 by doing arenas alone lol.

Maybe I should look for 1H gears and stick with 1H for a while...

provided you could survive, turn count wise, maging will always faster than 1h to clear most (if not any) content.
just be advised, the 10 mil that qr12345 mention for just the staff is not an exaggeration.
I clear PFDwD at around 3k turns using dark set which I believe still considered a very cheap investment for mage (little forged phase, fully forged clothes and staff), but it's still cost waaaay over what I ever spent on my 1h set (which I wear to clear PFGF blindfolded).
if you try being cheapskate in playing mage, you'll meet a new dimension of hurt and self-disappointment.

How much did you spend on the 1H set? Power of Slaughter set? Maybe I should use my 7m to upgrade my 1H set and get it going for a while and consider the switch later on lol, while gaining proficiencies for elemental and stuff

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 13 2019, 17:06