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yep, brainfarted.

And with L you actually mean C right?

with HV Utils, you could just hover and press L to directly get the link, bypassing the equipment page...
just like L key in Live Percentile script...

with HV Utils, you could just hover and press L to directly get the link, bypassing the equipment page...
just like L key in Live Percentile script...

Yeah, but i assume that someone who has even to ask that question still uses the game vanila. And vanila L does nothing but c opens a windows with the equipment link.

Yeah, but i assume that someone who has even to ask that question still uses the game vanila. And vanila L does nothing but c opens a windows with the equipment link.

my bad, Uncle...
I just assumed that he said that because he too used with that feature...
and I also assumed that you confused because you didn't know... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

and I also assumed that you confused because you didn't know... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

No, more like dont care. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

What do you guys do with your high lv mag items (>lv300)? Just straight to bazaar or the free shop?

Shield, Staff, Cloth Salvage. 1H Weapon i keep and IW them before baazar. The Rest immediately bazaar.

noice noice...reason for IWing 1H weapon? Does it sell for more or potential drops? And reason for salvagin specifically shield, staff, cloth? When I salvage/bazaar I tend to just blindly follow what HV Utils give me but would be interested to know your criterion

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 13 2019, 08:12

What do you guys do with your high lv mag items (>lv300)? Just straight to bazaar or the free shop?

power warding and protection are sellable till lv.350; slaughter, 400 (maybe more if they have very nice stats). Same with mage stuff (<400~450), rapier of slaughter (<350) and some ethereal weapons (<350).

This post has been edited by lololo16: Feb 13 2019, 08:26

noice noice...reason for IWing 1H weapon? Does it sell for more or potential drops? And reason for salvagin specifically shield, staff, cloth? When I salvage/bazaar I tend to just blindly follow what HV Utils give me but would be interested to know your criterion

For drops, credits, XP. And nope, they sell the same as everythingelse. IW has nothing to do with bazaar price. And even when you didnt ask, why 1H weapon? Easy, when you click IW the 1H tab is what pops up first, so the reason for that is uncle is lazzy and likes to save some clicks when possible. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

Yeah, and that is the reason why i dont even use such things. They just make you blind. Well what do you think why someone should salvage mag shield, staff and cloth? Could it be that it has something to do with HGW and HGC? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

lolol I guess you have a point there. I think my salvaging/bazaar would resemble yours mechanically as the userscript takes into account of price of HGW and HGC and recommend me to salvage those, but yea I was a bit too lazy to figure out something so obvious lol.

That being said, the userscript literally assigns salvage value of 0 to light armors because leathers lmao.

Well the price for HGL is somewhere between 100 and 50 credits each, so of course you should prefer to bazaar Mag leather stuff which comes at least close to 1k. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Can I start making the transition to mage? How much money should I start with and what elemental builds? I've seen that holy/dark are the best but I don't think I can afford them at this time. Right now I have about 6m if I sell all my haths. (I'm broke after that GS purchase lmao)

I'm reading through the wiki right now and it's super extensive! Thank you whoever wrote it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
As for 4 Phase+1 Proficiency/3 Phase+2 Proficiency, does the specific parts to be Phase/proficiency matter? Also, what do you recommend between the two (for my case)?

Right now I'm considering following the step 1 of the Mage Builds Guide by spamming some spells and train my assimilator, which is 0 rn. Also, I have only 40 extra ability points, is that too little? What are some spells that are used by mage besides the elemental spells T1~T3 on a regular basis? Let me know if I've omitted any spell below (or put something not used):

Imperil, cure, regen, haste, shadow veil, sol, arcane focus, ss

I've attached my proficiency and theoretical stat distribution based on the wiki for reference. Any feedback greatly, greatly appreciated.



EDIT: Right now I'm considering going with 1H Mage to get started. What's your thoughts on that? Although I really don't know what 1H Mage is...Do I just swap out Force Shield and Power Armor with Buckler and Phase/Cloth?
EDIT2: Is prof factor = effective_prof/level - 1? And I want this to be at least 0.68 right?
EDIT3: What are the key factors I look for in mage items? MDB>EDB>Prof? Forge armor to Jug3 and staff to Pen5Spel3?

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 13 2019, 13:25

Most of your questions are too broad. I suggest you understand the pros and cons of each elements, and their relative prices before you ask some broad questions. Otherwise, I just don't know where to start...

Quick answers to some of your questions.
1h mage is weak. You can try but no it's weak.
[quote]Is prof factor = effective_prof/level - 1?[/quote]
Yea
For imperil elementals>0.68
Imp holy/dark>0.8
Any non-imp>1.0
[quote]What are the key factors I look for in mage items? MDB>EDB>Prof? Forge armor to Jug3 and staff to Pen5Spel3?[quote]
varies for different equipments.
Generally, for phases, EDB>CS>others.
For cottons, profs>=CS>others
For destruction suffix staffs>MDB>EDB>=profs>=counter-resist
For LHOH/MHOH, EDB>MDB>=profs>=counter-resist
[quote]4 Phase+1 Proficiency/3 Phase+2 Proficiency[/quote]
3+2 for non-imp
4+1 for imp styles. Beginners may use 2 cottons.

This post has been edited by -vincento-: Feb 13 2019, 13:52

Thank you for the reply! I'm searching through the past replies on ATA to get some idea of what I want to do. I probably can't manage dark/holy so I'm gonna go with elemental, not bother with 1H mage as you said.

I've read it's basically like this: Wind,Elec > Cold >> Fire. I'm going to look out for LTWD, LSWD, LARD, and decide whichever I can get first.

For cotton parts, shoes then gloves. Should I get them all my armors to be charged/radiant I guess? (I'm not if I can afford them tho lol)

As for making the transition, how much prof factor do I need before trying to clear arenas as mage? I don't think it's reasonable to get to 0.68 by casting imperils and spells as 1H Heavy...
I think maybe I should get a mediocre cotton glove until I get enough prof then move on to phase glove.

Anyways, thank you~~

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 13 2019, 14:15

Holy is for the rich, but dark is also very cheap. as cheap as fire and cold. Dark is faster than elementals, but more mana consuming and low casting speed.

Fire and cold are underrated. Wind/elec are stronger, but their charged phases also 5~10 times expensive.
For cottons, I suggest gloves rather than shoes. That's a personal opinion. There is barely any difference between shoes and gloves. But gloves are cheaper, and they offer more profs.

0.68 is a goal, not a must.Your profs gained is calculated by exp gained, meaning you gain the same amount of profs as 1h as mage.
It's easy for 4+1 elementalists to reach 0.68 with profs fully forged gloves, staff and the prof perk.

As for stats, I keep Agility the highest, then INT=WIS=END. Dex also gives you parry, and my dex is at 400. Since the cost on attributes are like exponential, it's better to distribute them evenly. Mages need defensive stats.

6m is enough if you go plain phrases. If you go IW and gf in the future, charges are necessary. If only Arenas, plain phases are fine.

Most of your questions are too broad. I suggest you understand the pros and cons of each elements, and their relative prices before you ask some broad questions. Otherwise, I just don't know where to start...

Quick answers to some of your questions.
1h mage is weak. You can try but no it's weak.

Yea
For imperil elementals>0.68
Imp holy/dark>0.8
Any non-imp>1.0

3+2 for non-imp
4+1 for imp styles. Beginners may use 2 cottons.

Just an add-on.
For non imperil holy on the top 3 SG arenas:
DJNoni has mentioned that the prof is not as important as pure mdb/edb of all phase for the top 3 arenas.
I tested and compared that theory on the SG arenas and the non-SG arenas, and he is correct.
On the higher non-SG areans, it's back to 4+1.

Just throwing that in.

Thank you for your input guys~~
So I guess I'll also consider dark as well. It seems for clearing arena purpose dark might be the fastest, so that's cool.
If I were to go dark mage, my cotton piece should be robe right?

I think eventually when I level up to 400~500 my stats would go more even, but I guess I'll roughly follow the guideline for now.

So my current goal would be to get plain phases around my level and play around with it, make some money and get soulfuse-worthy charged pieces one by one.

Thank you guys~

P.S. This might be dumb, but number of spells cast in a round shouldn't affect proficiency gain right, i.e. I get same amount as long as I cast at least once?

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 13 2019, 15:12

How useful is the cheaper mage pieces (~200k)?

What would my expected DwD PFUDOR turn count be, provided ~2m budget at most?

There's so many mage pieces floating around, some for decently cheap.

Also, does a fire set requires higher proficiency than other element as the distinct difference? Or is there anymore catches regarding resistance?

If you'd like to try 1H-Mage, make sure that you can alreaddy clear all Arenas at PFUDOR with Staff-Mage. (But it doesn't mean that you need to clear all of them everyday, I don't think from First Blood to A Rolling Stone are worthy playing if you've unlocked all the Arenas.)

Why do some of us try 1H-Mage? My Argument ist, that those Player (and also I) want to try PFUDOR Fest and sometimes need to do some PFUDOR IWs, but our Staff-Mage is not strong enough. That means, if we do those with our Staff-Mage,we must use a lot of Items other than Draught and Potion, or we can't finish the Work. In this Situation, 1H-Melee is the second Choice, if we have our 1H-Melee Set. 1H-Mage is the third Choice, we can still use the Phase and Cotton in our Staff-Mage Set, it costs much less Items other than Draught and Potion regarding to Staff-Mage, and it's quicker than 1H-Melee.

so,

1. Don't use 1H-Mage in Arenas, especially in the last three ones.

2. If you want to play a lot in PFUDOR Fest or IW, don't use 1H-Mage, just make your Staff-Mage Set stronger and use Scrolls if you need.