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post Feb 12 2019, 22:51
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For chaos upgrades vs unlocking new slots, disregarding the following:
  • Higher PL monsters' gift% might be more valuable than lower PL monsters' gift% chance due to higher-grade mats (more net profit/gift for Token)
  • Higher PL monsters' morale drain slower (less net cost/morale for Token; PL250?)
  • Lower PL monsters' morale restore is cheaper per morale when using crystals (less net cost/morale for Unlock)
  • More number of monsters to morale/food restore when unlocking new slots (more net cost/morale+food for Unlock)
  • Lower PL monsters' food is cheaper (very slight less net cost/hunger for Unlock; no effect at all until PL251/751)
It should be for Gold Star:
Unlock (<80 token cost) > Scavenging 1 > Unlock (<160 token cost) > Scavenging 2 > Unlock (<240 token cost) > Scavenging 3 > Unlock > Scavenging 5 > Other Upgrades 1 > Scavenging 10 > Other Upgrades 2 > Scavenging 15 > Other Upgrades 3 > Scavenging 20 > Any upgrade
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post Feb 12 2019, 23:09
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QUOTE(t_t_z @ Feb 12 2019, 21:51) *

Lower PL monsters' morale restore is cheaper per morale when using crystals (less net cost/morale for Unlock)
Tokens have nothing to do with moral, so i have no idea what you mean by that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Feb 12 2019, 23:36
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QUOTE(t_t_z @ Feb 12 2019, 20:51) *

It should be for Gold Star:
Unlock (<80 token cost) > Scavenging 1 > Unlock (<160 token cost) > Scavenging 2 > Unlock (<240 token cost) > Scavenging 3 > Unlock > Scavenging 5 > Other Upgrades 1 > Scavenging 10 > Other Upgrades 2 > Scavenging 15 > Other Upgrades 3 > Scavenging 20 > Any upgrade

How did you come up with the walkthrough?
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post Feb 12 2019, 23:58
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 12 2019, 16:09) *

Tokens have nothing to do with moral, so i have no idea what you mean by that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Yeah this is likely incorrect, I was assuming with focusing on a few monsters with tons of tokens (and upgrading them to higher PL monsters) vs unlocking a ton of monster slots with your tokens (Leaving at PL 25). But yeah, won't be necessary to do that. Morale restore per crystal scales with primary attribute/mitigation/PL levels, not with tokens.

QUOTE(qr12345 @ Feb 12 2019, 16:36) *

How did you come up with the walkthrough?

Unlock (80 tokens) = 2*100%/80=2.5% gift factor/token = Scavenging 1 = 2.5%/1 = 2.5% gift factor/token >
Unlock (160 tokens) 2*100%/160 = 1.25% gift factor/token = Scavenging 2 = 2.5%/2 = 1.25% gift factor/token >
Unlock (240 tokens) 2*100%/240 = 0.83% gift factor/token = Scavenging 2 = 2.5%/3 = 0.83% gift factor/token >
...
Scavenging 5 = 2.5%/5 = 0.5% gift factor/ token = Other upgrade 1 = 0.5%/1 = 0.5% gift factor/token
...

The gift factor gains/costs are based on per increase and not total.
I suppose that upgrading the choice with the lower token cost first is slightly better since you don't have to wait to get the boost. Likely won't matter.

Actually wait up a sec... since unlock more monster slots will allow you to upgrade those new monster slots with cheaper scavenging, so for 160+ tokens vs scavenging 2+ can be optimized.

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post Feb 13 2019, 00:11
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QUOTE(t_t_z @ Feb 12 2019, 22:58) *

Yeah this is likely incorrect, I was assuming with focusing on a few monsters with tons of tokens (and upgrading them to higher PL monsters) vs unlocking a ton of monster slots with your tokens (Leaving at PL 25). But yeah, won't be necessary to do that. Morale restore per crystal scales with primary attribute/mitigation/PL levels, not with tokens.
So you didnt thought of the old days when chaos token actually did decrease moral drain?
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post Feb 13 2019, 00:32
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 12 2019, 17:11) *

So you didnt thought of the old days when chaos token actually did decrease moral drain?


I kind of recall it somewhere in my mind long ago... but then I think to myself that's ludicrous. When was that?



Anyways, instead of 160 tokens unlock=Scavenging 2, it should actually be 162 token unlock=Scavenging 2, since:
2*(100%+2.5%)/(160+2*1)=1.27%, whereas
2*(100%+2.5%)/(162+2*1)=1.25%

Same applies to 240 tokens=Scavenging 3, it should be instead 246
2*(100%+2*2.5%)/(246+2*(1+2))=0.83%
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post Feb 13 2019, 00:36
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QUOTE(t_t_z @ Feb 12 2019, 23:32) *

I kind of recall it somewhere in my mind long ago... but then I think to myself that's ludicrous. When was that?
0.85 Chaos upgrades no longer affect monster morale drain rate.
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post Feb 13 2019, 01:57
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I would like to ask about equip comparison...
is it worth to keep bid on this Legendary Amber Power Helmet of Slaughter on decon's auction???
I already have my Legendary Amber Power Helmet of Slaughter actually...
and I plan to sell my current helmet should I won the auctioned helmet...

and how much a Leg Savage Power of Protect/Warding with >80% adb usually cost???
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post Feb 13 2019, 02:11
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Feb 12 2019, 20:57) *

is it worth to keep bid on this

if you plan to stick with 1H, yes

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and how much a Leg Savage Power of Protect/Warding with >80% adb usually cost???

warding 200-500k (maybe a bit more)
protection 500-1500k

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post Feb 13 2019, 04:11
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i enabled "Innate Arcana 1" by 50 hath, but when back to my character setting page, auto-cast slots section still say "you do not have any autocast slots".
did i miss out anything? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Feb 13 2019, 04:18
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QUOTE(lololo16 @ Feb 13 2019, 07:11) *

if you plan to stick with 1H, yes
warding 200-500k (maybe a bit more)
protection 500-1500k

yeah I plan to stick with 1H for a long time...

QUOTE(shiyun @ Feb 13 2019, 09:11) *

i enabled "Innate Arcana 1" by 50 hath, but when back to my character setting page, auto-cast slots section still say "you do not have any autocast slots".
did i miss out anything? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

usually it will take a while...
just try to check it again at the next dawn, but it probably will be earlier...
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post Feb 13 2019, 04:32
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another question is, how to get url of an equipment? thanks
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post Feb 13 2019, 04:39
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QUOTE(shiyun @ Feb 12 2019, 21:32) *

another question is, how to get url of an equipment? thanks


Hover over equip and press L C

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post Feb 13 2019, 04:43
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QUOTE(shiyun @ Feb 13 2019, 09:32) *

another question is, how to get url of an equipment? thanks

on PC, hover the equipment then press C...
on mobile, AFAIK you need some script to do it...

EDIT: found the script...
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=5044366
dunno if it still working as I don't use it...

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Hover over equip and press L

you couldn't do it without script though...

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post Feb 13 2019, 04:46
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QUOTE(ihatenamingthings @ Feb 13 2019, 03:39) *

Hover over equip and press L

And with L you actually mean C right?
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post Feb 13 2019, 04:46
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yep, brainfarted.
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post Feb 13 2019, 04:49
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 13 2019, 09:46) *

And with L you actually mean C right?

with HV Utils, you could just hover and press L to directly get the link, bypassing the equipment page...
just like L key in Live Percentile script...
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post Feb 13 2019, 04:53
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Feb 13 2019, 03:49) *

with HV Utils, you could just hover and press L to directly get the link, bypassing the equipment page...
just like L key in Live Percentile script...

Yeah, but i assume that someone who has even to ask that question still uses the game vanila. And vanila L does nothing but c opens a windows with the equipment link.
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post Feb 13 2019, 05:52
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 13 2019, 09:53) *

Yeah, but i assume that someone who has even to ask that question still uses the game vanila. And vanila L does nothing but c opens a windows with the equipment link.

my bad, Uncle...
I just assumed that he said that because he too used with that feature...
and I also assumed that you confused because you didn't know... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Feb 13 2019, 05:56
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Feb 13 2019, 04:52) *

and I also assumed that you confused because you didn't know... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

No, more like dont care. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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