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Uh maybe I wasn't being clear but I meant about the price I can expect to get when I were to sell the item at a shop/auction. I know salvaging retrieves 90% material, but if I salvage I have to buy back at 5 times the normal buy back price

Uh maybe I wasn't being clear but I meant about the price I can expect to get when I were to sell the item at a shop/auction. I know salvaging retrieves 90% material, but if I salvage I have to buy back at 5 times the normal buy back price

Mag power of protection, I really doubt if you would get the 363k forge costs back. Price is now 50-100k and will remain 50-100k, because buyers at that level don't seem to care (understand?) about forging.

Yea I thought so lol. I think I just have to suck it up a bit and go without forging and just forge on leg pieces, preferably on slaughter.
On that, any rule of thumbs around which level I'd be able to use slaughter over protection/warding without killing myself all the time?

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 12 2019, 19:21

So, I'm nearing 1000 hath soon, but I'm uncertain about which hath perk to spend it on. Should I go for Crystarium III or Tokenizer 1?

I only have about 13 monsters in my lab, though most of them are nearing the 500 PL, if that means anything.

So, I'm nearing 1000 hath soon, but I'm uncertain about which hath perk to spend it on. Should I go for Crystarium III or Tokenizer 1?

I only have about 13 monsters in my lab, though most of them are nearing the 500 PL, if that means anything.

Tokenizer, no doubt.
Don't spend token for chaos upgrade.
Unlock the slots.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Feb 12 2019, 19:49

On that, any rule of thumbs around which level I'd be able to use slaughter over protection/warding without killing myself all the time?

at about level 320, and after about 311 posts, with gold star and just a couple of months shy of 5 years account age.

at about level 320, and after about 311 posts, with gold star and just a couple of months shy of 5 years account age.

I hate it when people are so vague .... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Tokenizer, no doubt.
Don't spend token for chaos upgrade.
Unlock the slots.

Sounds expensive. At the moment I only have 8 monsters and spend all my chaos tokens to upgrades as I fear buying more crystal packs to keep them happy even more than Penguinologists. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

This post has been edited by hopkar: Feb 12 2019, 21:30

I hate it when people are so vague .... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I would say somewhere after lvl 400. Sooner if one does actually forge his MM and PM.

Sounds expensive. At the moment I only have 8 monsters and spend all my chaos tokens to upgrades as I fear buying more crystal packs to keep them happy even more than Penguinologists. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Create as many monsters as you can and stop inflate their PL at 25.
A crystal pack cost only 20k and it can keep your monster's morale for very long period.
Not to mention jackpots like CP, BoS , BoD, RA,
a single Binding of protection, Cheetah(30k), can already pay off.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Feb 12 2019, 21:49

Maybe I'm doing something wrong. My highest monster is only lvl 288 and demands already 15.551 for the next up in its "main" attribute.
Maybe I just feed them more elemental mitigation crystal ... or feed them in longer intervals. But it's so hard to don't give in if the morality is already down over 2000 points and they look on me with their sad eyes filled with the urge to crush low level player but don't be able to (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Sure I get some bindings from time to time and could indeed sell them to feed my monsters .... but I'm a newbie and have no idea where the journey will get me so I fear selling the wrong one and hord them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

EDIT: Ok, just read that they should stay at lvl 25. That made my comment about the high cost look rather out of place so I take it back (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Of course I will try to get at least one or two monsters up in the hope to get them scanned one day (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I would say somewhere after lvl 400. Sooner if one does actually forge his MM and PM.

You sure you wanted to quote me? That statement was actually a joke ... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

This post has been edited by hopkar: Feb 12 2019, 21:57

Tbh i am allways confuse when people talk about using chaos token to "upgrade" their monster. I mean unlocking another slot does actually increase your income. Like qr did allready say, a single good gift and they have paid for everything they could need for a long time. But what do you get from upgrade them with chaos tokens? I mean with 8 monster, we are just talking about 14 token to get another guaranted gift. Can you actually upgrade your monster with 14 token to give you a guaranted second gift? No, you cant. So what about the "strenght" of that monster, will that matter? I mean assuming that everyone who has "problems" to keep their monster feed and happy, we are just talking about chow eating monster. Do you guys have any idea how many tousands of those monster are around? You have actually to be lucky to appear to a player in battle before he soon outlevel your monster and never encounter it again. Getting a win or even a kill, need even more luck and it is in the end nothing but luck or snowflake, or RNGesus and i what ever divinity you think is responsible. Personally i like it to put three chaos token into every new monster, but three chaos token i can make in a single arena and a new slot cost three digit, so imo it is no bad investment for me, just to have this low chance of getting a second gift. But the rest of the token they go into new monster. And i could allready been done with that and owning 200 monster if i didnt made the mistake of "upgrade" my monster with chaos token instead of unlock new slots. Well that and that fact that i was forced to hibernate the game for quite a while, but that is a different story.

tldr: Unlock more monster slots it is worth it. Dont put chaos token into monster it is not worth it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

You sure you wanted to quote me? That statement was actually a joke ... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I just wanted to attach my post to the whole conversation. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Feb 12 2019, 22:07

at about level 320, and after about 311 posts, with gold star and just a couple of months shy of 5 years account age.

lulz i'ma quote middle of you and Uncle Stu's suggestion around 350~360 I guess. Imagine I played HV throughout my account age tho! Besides, not that I can find power of slaughter right away anyways (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

lulz i'ma quote middle of you and Uncle Stu's suggestion around 350~360 I guess.

Hm, tbh i wouldnt suggest to go full slaughter at that level. Except you notice that your allready unkillable for all monster in arena. Because that and only that is what shows you, that you can go for at least a partial slaughter set.

Getting a win or even a kill, need even more luck and it is in the end nothing but luck or snowflake, or RNGesus and i what ever divinity you think is responsible.

Definitely snowflake - everything else would be purely speculative

tldr: Unlock more monster slots it is worth it. Dont put chaos token into monster it is not worth it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Fine, you two convinced me. I will get some new monsters and keep them down enough so I can keep them cheaply happy. But I want to be honest: it will be rather hard to me not to power them up if I can ... I'm really softhearted! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

This post has been edited by hopkar: Feb 12 2019, 22:20

Hey, i didnt say dont power them up, but do it with crystals, not with token. I mean personally for a long time i liked it to spread them a bit when it did come to the food they eated. Just recent i did decide to fuck it and increase them all above the edible line of PL 250.

On that, any rule of thumbs around which level I'd be able to use slaughter over protection/warding without killing myself all the time?

In my opinion it's quite a bit higher level where slaughter armor becomes best, perhaps around level 400 I'm guessing. This should be especially true when you aren't even sure you can easily beat pfudor item world yet.

However this doesn't mean you can't go for slaughter earlier, it's skipping a step in your progression and perhaps saving you a few credits in the end. You can justify slaughter armor better if you: a) claim item world is irrelevant because you can pay other people to do it for you (vincento logic) or b) have enough credits to forge your slaughter armor to 50+ all at once for acceptable defense (what I did).

For chaos upgrades vs unlocking new slots, disregarding the following:

• Higher PL monsters' gift% might be more valuable than lower PL monsters' gift% chance due to higher-grade mats (more net profit/gift for Token)
• Higher PL monsters' morale drain slower (less net cost/morale for Token; PL250?)
• Lower PL monsters' morale restore is cheaper per morale when using crystals (less net cost/morale for Unlock)
• More number of monsters to morale/food restore when unlocking new slots (more net cost/morale+food for Unlock)
• Lower PL monsters' food is cheaper (very slight less net cost/hunger for Unlock; no effect at all until PL251/751)

It should be for Gold Star:
Unlock (<80 token cost) > Scavenging 1 > Unlock (<160 token cost) > Scavenging 2 > Unlock (<240 token cost) > Scavenging 3 > Unlock > Scavenging 5 > Other Upgrades 1 > Scavenging 10 > Other Upgrades 2 > Scavenging 15 > Other Upgrades 3 > Scavenging 20 > Any upgrade

Lower PL monsters' morale restore is cheaper per morale when using crystals (less net cost/morale for Unlock)

Tokens have nothing to do with moral, so i have no idea what you mean by that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

It should be for Gold Star:
Unlock (<80 token cost) > Scavenging 1 > Unlock (<160 token cost) > Scavenging 2 > Unlock (<240 token cost) > Scavenging 3 > Unlock > Scavenging 5 > Other Upgrades 1 > Scavenging 10 > Other Upgrades 2 > Scavenging 15 > Other Upgrades 3 > Scavenging 20 > Any upgrade

How did you come up with the walkthrough?

Tokens have nothing to do with moral, so i have no idea what you mean by that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Yeah this is likely incorrect, I was assuming with focusing on a few monsters with tons of tokens (and upgrading them to higher PL monsters) vs unlocking a ton of monster slots with your tokens (Leaving at PL 25). But yeah, won't be necessary to do that. Morale restore per crystal scales with primary attribute/mitigation/PL levels, not with tokens.

How did you come up with the walkthrough?

Unlock (80 tokens) = 2*100%/80=2.5% gift factor/token = Scavenging 1 = 2.5%/1 = 2.5% gift factor/token >
Unlock (160 tokens) 2*100%/160 = 1.25% gift factor/token = Scavenging 2 = 2.5%/2 = 1.25% gift factor/token >
Unlock (240 tokens) 2*100%/240 = 0.83% gift factor/token = Scavenging 2 = 2.5%/3 = 0.83% gift factor/token >
...
Scavenging 5 = 2.5%/5 = 0.5% gift factor/ token = Other upgrade 1 = 0.5%/1 = 0.5% gift factor/token
...

The gift factor gains/costs are based on per increase and not total.
I suppose that upgrading the choice with the lower token cost first is slightly better since you don't have to wait to get the boost. Likely won't matter.

Actually wait up a sec... since unlock more monster slots will allow you to upgrade those new monster slots with cheaper scavenging, so for 160+ tokens vs scavenging 2+ can be optimized.

This post has been edited by t_t_z: Feb 12 2019, 23:59