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post Feb 5 2019, 19:31
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QUOTE(qr12345 @ Feb 5 2019, 11:51) *

200% accuracy does negate monster evasion .
The only possibility is parry.
I have never seen monster blocking, both before and after I switched from 1H to mage.


Maybe you're right. I was watching the battle log and found only things like this:

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Peerless Radiant Phase Robe parries your attack.
Ryouko Asakura parries your attack.
Drogon parries your attack.


And yet were very few times.

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Feb 5 2019, 11:56) *

Yeah, and that is what i tought. But i also trust basara. Now i am confused. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


Uncle, the problem here is the fact that I do not remember where I wrote down this information, and also because I made the remarks at the end of 2016, when I started using 5 Power and my Hit Chance went from 200% for the first time.

The little that I remember is precisely the fact that my attacks were evaded, parried or blocked, but with a much lower frequency compared to my Plate set (Hit Chance < 200%).

Even in today's test, there were very few parries. Most monsters die very fast (much faster than 2 years ago).

But there is also the possibility that I made some confusion 2 years ago, and have continued like this until today. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Feb 5 2019, 20:46
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How many levels do a 1H player normally have for the following training? I usually just look at someone's signature but it's good to know the reason too.

Assimilator (proficiency) not sure this actually make a difference
Manifest Destiny (master point) is unlocking all slots useful?
Scholar of War (scroll slots) will I need all the scrolls to be safe?
Tincture (infusion slots) same as above
Pack Rat (inventory slots) same as above
Dissociation (persona slot) will I ever need this?

I kinda forgot, do quartermaster, scavenger, and luck of the draw necessarily to be maxed? maybe not now but after reaching level 500? (I've stopped at 80% of all these)

is PEOH better than PHKF?
I know no one wants E but at least it's OH?
LFWD or LFRS?

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post Feb 5 2019, 21:48
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QUOTE(mouisaac @ Feb 5 2019, 20:46) *

How many levels do a 1H player normally have for the following training? I usually just look at someone's signature but it's good to know the reason too.


Assimilator - it makes a small difference, but 1H doesn't really need it so up to 5
Manifest Destiny - you don't need it at all
Scholar of War, Tincture - almost useless for 1H
Pack Rat - 1 for all potions and draughts just in case?
Dissociation - unless you want many mages - no

QUOTE(mouisaac @ Feb 5 2019, 20:46) *

I kinda forgot, do quartermaster, scavenger, and luck of the draw necessarily to be maxed? maybe not now but after reaching level 500? (I've stopped at 80% of all these)


Even 80% is overkill unless you plan to play tens of years

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is PEOH better than PHKF?
I know no one wants E but at least it's OH?
LFWD or LFRS?


What this even mean? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 5 2019, 21:50
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Assimilator (proficiency) not sure this actually make a difference
Scholar of War (scroll slots) will I need all the scrolls to be safe?

I don't think 1H player need them.
Impact of proficiency for 1H is not as great as mage.
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Manifest Destiny (master point) is unlocking all slots useful?
Tincture (infusion slots) same as above

No. Totally waste of credit. Never do it.
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Pack Rat (inventory slots) same as above

1H don't need many item slots.
Maybe ~5 for potion and elixirs.
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Dissociation (persona slot) will I ever need this?

If you are super rich and want to play in different styles.
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I kinda forgot, do quartermaster, scavenger, and luck of the draw necessarily to be maxed? maybe not now but after reaching level 500? (I've stopped at 80% of all these)

Your preference.
I can only say they are very long term investment.
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is PEOH better than PHKF? I know no one wants E but at least it's OH?

No.
It's a pretty meaningless assumption.
Even a MHOH is better than PEOH.
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LFWD or LFRS?

I prefer the former.

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post Feb 5 2019, 21:51
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How many points of loot associated trainings did you guys do then? I didn't spend too much on it (500k in totla) I never cared to stop to think about it, but now you mention it being a long term investment, maybe those credits could've been well spent buying new gears..

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post Feb 5 2019, 22:11
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 5 2019, 19:51) *

How many points of loot associated trainings did you guys do then? I didn't spend too much on it (500k in totla) I never cared to stop to think about it, but now you mention it being a long term investment, maybe those credits could've been well spent buying new gears..

It's because the training cost exponentially increase at high training level.
You cannot payoff unless playing thousands rounds of GF/IW regularly.
I have maxed Scavenger and Archaeologist, Quartermaster and Luck of the draw rest 3/4 of maximum.
I do play a lot.

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post Feb 5 2019, 23:20
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Hello experts. I have a number of questions. I'm sure some might be easy to find answers, but 396 pages is a lot and the wiki can be a bit confusing (and outdated) at times.

Do Featherweight Charms give any benefit on Ethereal weapons? I assume no.
Is there an optimal Spike Shield? Should I use one that benefits my weapon's strikes, or one that offers the most offensive or defensive status effects?
Why is Absorb bad? I am assuming it's a way to block big spell hits, but I keep seeing that Better Absorb is a waste of points. Is it just not worth while for reducing damage?
How should I maximize Overcharge? When should I be using OFC, skills, or Spirit Stance?
Is there an easy way to tell if gear is from pre-0.82?
Is there a way to pause hover actions while channeling is up?
Is there an optimal "debuff" rotation for melee when taking on boss monsters? I'm looking for ways to reduce total time taken for SG arenas.
Linked to the previous question: does MagNet help with melee?
Is there a way to set up a "cast sequence"? I want to set up a way to cast all my buff spells with one button at the start of a battle, or use all the draughts in sequence.
How do I make Monsterbate wait for a Haste refresh?
How does one go about getting permanent up-time on Overcharge? Is it limited to 1H (with counter-attacks)?
For Adept Learner and Assimilator, is there a point where it's no longer worth while to train them?
For the people offering free IW10s for newbs, what do they get out of it? Isn't the exp and drop rate bad compared to Arenas?

Sorry for the mass of questions. I figured it'd be best to try to learn the game on my own. But now that I'm nearing level 300, still with quite a few questions about how the game works, that I might as well ask before it's too late and I ruin everything.
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post Feb 5 2019, 23:56
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 5 2019, 19:51) *

How many points of loot associated trainings did you guys do then? I didn't spend too much on it (500k in totla) I never cared to stop to think about it, but now you mention it being a long term investment, maybe those credits could've been well spent buying new gears..

Do things like you feel you need to do. The advice that is usually given is this:
"invest in trainings what you consider being reasonable amounts of credits compared to your income"

Personally, I did my maximum to max out everything ASAP so that I get the most loots possible. And so that I don't have any regrets the day I will (finally...) have my 1st Peerless drop and I see it's shit.
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post Feb 6 2019, 00:36
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It's me again with some noob question :/

I'm cleaning my inventory this time :3

So I know you mustn't sell anything in the bazar as stated in this topic's guide but what about "Average stuff" ? I salvage everything ? Superior too?

For the Exquisites stuff and Mag I guess I can sell it later.
Thanks guys.

Edit: I discovered HV tools, really awesome and nice

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post Feb 6 2019, 01:22
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Yea lol. I guess what matters more could be the tranquility of mind it brings rather than the actual benefits. An expected value type approach for how long it takes to earn back on investment could be easy, if I knew how much credits one make on loot on average lol
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post Feb 6 2019, 01:37
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No one can really give you an estimate ROI. There are too many influencing factors, and the RNG is quite strong too. And there's also the market tendencies that keep lowering the value of absolutely everything.

All you need to know, is that one really shouldn't leave items take dust in his inventory, due to the market tendency I've stated, and that you should invest in stuff if you can afford it without sacrificing too much.

There are also a few players who will tell you that one will never get any profitable ROI as soon as you started playing this game. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Feb 6 2019, 02:33
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 5 2019, 03:13) *

So I guess 200% accuracy do make a difference as to choose balance over slaughter? I'm looking into legendary rapier and so far I've been limiting my search only to slaughter, but maybe I should consider balance as well.


If you'd like to borrow this [alt.hentaiverse.org] Legendary Shocking Rapier of Balance I'll loan it to you for free so you can test balance vs. slaughter. It's even nice and IW'd for you to prevent some parry too. It is a bit below your level though, and I just want to make sure if you did borrow it I'd get it back (it was my first ever legendary drop so it holds a special place in my heart). I used it for quite a long time, something like 250-320 or so.
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post Feb 6 2019, 03:05
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QUOTE(ravenfrost123 @ Feb 5 2019, 19:33) *

If you'd like to borrow this [alt.hentaiverse.org] Legendary Shocking Rapier of Balance I'll loan it to you for free so you can test balance vs. slaughter. It's even nice and IW'd for you to prevent some parry too. It is a bit below your level though, and I just want to make sure if you did borrow it I'd get it back (it was my first ever legendary drop so it holds a special place in my heart). I used it for quite a long time, something like 250-320 or so.


That would actually be really appreciated. I can give you some deposit exceeding the worth of the item, even though nothing will be enough to compensate for the first legendary drop.
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post Feb 6 2019, 06:50
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QUOTE(qr12345 @ Feb 6 2019, 03:50) *

Even a MHOH is better than PEOH.

I don't think so. A PEOH is very likely to be better than a MHOH, but worse than any LHOH.

QUOTE((H) @ Feb 6 2019, 05:20) *

Hello experts. I have a number of questions. I'm sure some might be easy to find answers, but 396 pages is a lot and the wiki can be a bit confusing (and outdated) at times.

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Do Featherweight Charms give any benefit on Ethereal weapons? I assume no.

No.
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Is there an optimal Spike Shield? Should I use one that benefits my weapon's strikes, or one that offers the most offensive or defensive status effects?

Fire. That's arctic is bit more popular. Go for the one that benefits your strike, don't need to be fire.
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Why is Absorb bad? I am assuming it's a way to block big spell hits, but I keep seeing that Better Absorb is a waste of points. Is it just not worth while for reducing damage?

You spend one turn to cast it, and absorb only magic attacks for one turn. I don't see any use.
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How should I maximize Overcharge? When should I be using OFC, skills, or Spirit Stance?

Are you 1h?
Keep Agility as low so your attack speed bonus is close to 0%. Don't cast haste if it's not needed.
Higher block chance.
Keep your SS on all the time if 1h. Use vital strike on SGs.
Use OFC when there is at least 5 monsters, otherwise it's a waste.
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Is there an easy way to tell if gear is from pre-0.82?
Their level are unassigned
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Is there a way to pause hover actions while channeling is up?

It's forbidden and might be considered botting. Don't you ever try...
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Is there an optimal "debuff" rotation for melee when taking on boss monsters? I'm looking for ways to reduce total time taken for SG arenas.
Only imperil is considered necessary.
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Linked to the previous question: does MagNet help with melee?

yea, only with RoB...
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Is there a way to set up a "cast sequence"? I want to set up a way to cast all my buff spells with one button at the start of a battle, or use all the draughts in sequence.

Forbidden. You need to use them manually. The only exception is hoveraction.
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How do I make Monsterbate wait for a Haste refresh?

I don't understand this question.
If you were referring to Alertbuffs, go to monsterbation line 23, and add haste.png. Then you will stop every time your haste is going to fade away.
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How does one go about getting permanent up-time on Overcharge? Is it limited to 1H (with counter-attacks)?

Only 1h can keep SS permanently on.
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For Adept Learner and Assimilator, is there a point where it's no longer worth while to train them?
For the people offering free IW10s for newbs, what do they get out of it? Isn't the exp and drop rate bad compared to Arenas?

No longer worthwhile? Never. Just diminishing marginal returns.
They don't gain anything except for constant clients. They've maxed their training they don't lose wealth they can cover their stamina expense by doing free IW if we don't take opportunity cost into account.
The drop rate isn't worse. It's actually better because IW has more monsters per round.

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post Feb 6 2019, 07:15
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QUOTE(-vincento- @ Feb 6 2019, 11:50) *

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Do Featherweight Charms give any benefit on Ethereal weapons? I assume no.

Accuracy only.

Isn't featherweight only reduce burden and interference???
so as ethereal weapon already have no burden and interference, it won't benefit from featherweight shard...
if you want to increase your accuracy, use voidseeker shard instead...
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post Feb 6 2019, 07:26
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QUOTE((H) @ Feb 5 2019, 16:20) *

Is there an easy way to tell if gear is from pre-0.82?

Check the equipment id - higher ids are newer. From the previous topic, the cutoff point for 0.82 is somewhere between 67141596 and 67181322.
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post Feb 6 2019, 07:30
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Feb 6 2019, 13:15) *

Accuracy only.

Isn't featherweight only reduce burden and interference???
so as ethereal weapon already have no burden and interference, it won't benefit from featherweight shard...
if you want to increase your accuracy, use voidseeker shard instead...

screwed.
I thought it was voidseeker.
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post Feb 6 2019, 09:10
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What do PEOH MHOH all even mean? I can't find any of them on the acronym page lol Not even PE or MH or OH
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post Feb 6 2019, 09:13
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 6 2019, 07:10) *

What do PEOH MHOH all even mean? I can't find any of them on the acronym page lol Not even PE or MH or OH

PEOH=Peerless Ethereal Oak Staff of Heimdall
MHOH=Magnificent Hallowed Oak Staff of Heimdall
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post Feb 6 2019, 09:14
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QUOTE(Saioux @ Feb 6 2019, 08:10) *

What do PEOH MHOH all even mean? I can't find any of them on the acronym page lol Not even PE or MH or OH


Mage staff
Peerless Ethereal Oak staff of Heimdall / Magnificent Hallowed Oak staff of Heimdall. No, I don't recommend using either of those.

some more examples
You can have staves with willow: LDWD (my staff), or LTWD (wind) or LSDW (elec). You can have Redwoods: LARD (cold) or fire LFRD. And then katalox: LHKD (holy)


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