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Wow only 1.6MP/round with three spells? SoL alone costs me 3.5MP/round, but that maybe because I got rid of the better spark which has mana cost reduction effect.

Ugh I wish we could look at the spells and skills' description in-game out of battle

Or you have a high interference? Mine is 54.7 which means I have a "127.3% mana cost modifier". Are you light or haevy armor?

This post has been edited by hopkar: Feb 3 2019, 13:11

Does regular daily income increase significantly as you level up? By regular, I mean excluding all special loots. How much do you usually earn? @lv500 masters

I'll say, about 200K from direct Credits Drop and selling useless Equipments to Bazzar by playing PFUDOR Arenas from Fresh Meat to A Dance with Dragons. With those Incomes I bought 10 Golden Stars myself.

I don't keep accurate records but for arenas,

Well i did. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
For clearing all arenas on PFUDOR they give you on average 190.502 credits each day. And this does not include bazzared equipment, RE or RoB.

Or you have a high interference? Mine is 54.7 which means I have a "127.3% mana cost modifier". Are you light or haevy armor?

I guess that could be one thing cuz my interference is 130 lol with force shield and heavy armor. If I had IA3 and better spark mastered with your interference, mine comes out to be roughly 2.1MP/round, so I guess it certainly is possible with few more points in supportive proficiency and all

I don't think so.
Grinding is the only way if you want more income.
I don't keep accurate records but for arenas,
~200k credits+~50 SG trophies+3~10 PA+100~150 trash gears+1 noodly(RoB) per day.
Approximately 400~700k .

I see. It's kinda amazing to see you get up to 50 SG trophies, I bet half of them are from DwD since I think I barely get 20~25 in total from the first two. (I don't have DwD unlocked yet)

over time, I have collected a lot of training and perks. And with my expensive gear I can play much more in far less time. Those two combined make that I can afford to spend 'a bit more' on a good LDWD. But I do have other sources of income that really take care of my income: in the past: bounties and selling stars, now H@H. So don't be fooled by us high level dudes, most of us have other income.

Thank you for the detailed reply. Do you play mage? I would like to get better gears as 1H but apparently there is a limit to how fast you can clear arenas with 1H. Right now I'm busy training loot related perks. (Arch and Quatermasters) I should start levelling up scavenger and luck of draw too, but I've heard they are a bit behind in terms of priority, esp LoD.

Apart from that, could I get a sense of how much GP you get from H@H? I don't know if my ISP would allow it (Spectrum), but that seems quite attractive if I can manage it.

I'll say, about 200K from direct Credits Drop and selling useless Equipments to Bazzar by playing PFUDOR Arenas from Fresh Meat to A Dance with Dragons. With those Incomes I bought 10 Golden Stars myself.

Respect to you, sir. I want to grab myself a gold star too, but it seems so distant that it appears almost unreal, that I'd gather up 45m to buy it lol. At this point, clearly second page of arena @ IWBTH is already enough chore for me, but well I hope to get there soon lol.

Well i did. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
For clearing all arenas on PFUDOR they give you on average 190.502 credits each day. And this does not include bazzared equipment, RE or RoB.

Niceee. That means at least around 300k upward just from selling the trophies.

Thank you for all the inputs, masters. (_ _)

around 350k, 200k credits drop+100k from trophies+50k equipment to bazaar. Also your PAs.
So 400k daily is possible if you finish all Arenas that give you 1000 clear bonus.
A huge proportion of your income may come from equipment drops. If you are lucky enough, you might just drop a GS-tie equipment. Then get tens of millions at once, which..never happened to me...

Wow only 1.6MP/round with three spells? SoL alone costs me 3.5MP/round, but that maybe because I got rid of the better spark which has mana cost reduction effect.

Ugh I wish we could look at the spells and skills' description in-game out of battle

Since you just recently surpassed my level, I think a comparison with me is more interesting them with L400+ guys.

Mind you, I have IA III (as per my signature) and all significant "Better AAA" abilities slotted and trained at the maximum level possible for my L.254.

That said, in my 1H+Heavy build, with Protection & SS only slotted upkeep is 1.19 MP/round; that is, I only use IA1 & 2 slots and leave IA3 empty (but it still contributes to reduce the total upkeep).

If I need to slot one more spell, I either choose Haste (upkeep goes up to 1.89MP) or Sol (goes up to 1.93).

So your 3.5 sound suspicious to me, something is not working right somewhere. As Uncle Stu said, proficiency also plays a role, check it.
My EFFECTIVE Supportive proficiency in 1H/Heavy is 307 == My level + 54 (roughly 20%) which is rather medium, not really high but not excessively low.

Hope this helps. For other builds, like DW and Niten with Leather, upkeep goes from similar to a bit less (but slotted spells are not all the same).

But for 1H/H, just mana draughts are usually enough (the occasional potion is more for emergencies, but in any case you shouldn't consume more than you get dropped on average. That is, you should not have to buy them).

Hope this helps you to better optimize your build (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I guess that could be one thing cuz my interference is 130 lol with force shield and heavy armor. If I had IA3 and better spark mastered with your interference, mine comes out to be roughly 2.1MP/round, so I guess it certainly is possible with few more points in supportive proficiency and all

Btw, my Interf & Burden are both around 100, but my Heavy Armour is 4 plain Legendary + 1 Magnificent Power and that helps. If you need, don't hesitate to use Feathers to reduce it.

Ah, I forgot ... all this with a 147.9% mana cost modifier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Don't worry too much about that, for 1H is always high, don't try to lower it, it's useless and impossible. Better put your efforts in those other things.

This post has been edited by mundomuñeca: Feb 3 2019, 14:11

vincento you did forget the monsterlab, which just makes it even easier to reach 400k on a daily basic. Btw, i also never got a drop that gave me thens of millions at once, so you are not alone. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

vincento you did forget the monsterlab, which just makes it even easier to reach 400k on a daily basic. Btw, i also never got a drop that gave me thens of millions at once, so you are not alone. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

yea. forgot that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
but for who don't have a number of monsters yet, their income from monsterlab is quite unstable. And mostly comes from rare materials and some valuable bindings, whichever are not common.
Also for a mage like me, most bindings are preserved for future use. So are the phazons. The only valuable binding I sell is binding of slaughters.(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

This post has been edited by -vincento-: Feb 3 2019, 14:24

True, predict the income of your monsterlab is like reading tea leaves. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) But i have noticed that at least a bit the average income for a whole month is more or less the same. Maybe just for me but still.

Does regular daily income increase significantly as you level up? By regular, I mean excluding all special loots. How much do you usually earn? @lv500 masters

around 200-250k here...
I got it from direct drop+arenas' clear and bazaaring the trash equipment drop...
dunno if training scavenger, lotd, and quartermaster will improve it...
they are at 32, 10, and 6 atm... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

dunno if training scavenger, lotd, and quartermaster will improve it...

Well, that depends. I mean quartermaster will give you mostly more equipment to bazaar. The difference for lotd is quite small, i mean you get a few more power, phase and shade and some other rare drops. And scavenger does not increase your credits drops and i say that because i thought once it would, but it doesnt. Credit drops are not affected by any training but difficulty only.

Well, that depends. I mean quartermaster will give you mostly more equipment to bazaar. The difference for lotd is quite small, i mean you get a few more power, phase and shade and some other rare drops. And scavenger does not increase your credits drops and i say that because i thought once it would, but it doesnt. Credit drops are not affected by any training but difficulty only.

yeah...
I hesitate to commit on those training as I thought the RoI is too small...
maybe I'll train them again when have more leeway in credits...

And scavenger does not increase your credits drops and i say that because i thought once it would, but it doesnt. Credit drops are not affected by any training but difficulty only.

and that makes me more reluctant to commit it... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

yeah...
I hesitate to commit on those training as I thought the RoI is too small...
maybe I'll train them again when have more leeway in credits...

and that makes me more reluctant to commit it... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yeah, i really advice only to train those when you have no problem spending those credits, i mean they will pay off, all of them, but it could take a while and let feel like you did waste your credits. I mean you didnt, but even knowing that, just dont let that feeling go away, because the difference is so small that you wont even notice it unless you look closer and for lotd even much closer. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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Hmm, now that you mention it, there might be something wrong with it, because my protection and SS combined would be only 1.56MB/round, so I have no idea why SoL cost that much. As for the proficiency, mine's 307 too, so maybe my proficiency's a bit low.

I think if I use mana draught constantly I might not need potion, but sometimes I phase out and have to use a potion lol. And these mobs hit pretty hard so I have to use them when I'm really low and have to cure like four times in a row.

Hmm, now that you mention it, there might be something wrong with it, because my protection and SS combined would be only 1.56MB/round,

Interesting, i have an upkeep of 1.43 iirc. Do you also have IA III?

So it turns out better spark cuts the upkeep cost by a LOT. I had a few free ability points and I leveled it up twice and my upkeep went from 3.5 to 1.5. Because base mana cost goes from 45->40->35->30, I thought the increase was not gonna be big, but I think upkeep cost also takes into account increased duration, which actually makes sense, and cuts the upkeep cost by a lot. I think if I spend level up one more it's gonna go below lol.

So it turns out better spark cuts the upkeep cost by a LOT. I had a few free ability points and I leveled it up twice and my upkeep went from 3.5 to 1.5. Because base mana cost goes from 45->40->35->30, I thought the increase was not gonna be big, but I think upkeep cost also takes into account increased duration, which actually makes sense, and cuts the upkeep cost by a lot. I think if I spend level up one more it's gonna go below lol.

That's exactly it. Increased duration due to abilities also cut upkeep cost, not just the direct mana cost reduction.

But I must admit I didn't thought the combined effect was so huge (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

It's nice to know, though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

EDIT : Now I feel much better for all the credits spent in training 120 AP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by mundomuñeca: Feb 3 2019, 16:56

I want ask Resplendent Regeneration is useful?
Is it worth investing?

Is it worth investing?

Imo not really, there are in the end other perks you get much more out of them. So to me it is very low on my list and i myself dont even have it.