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btw, I was doing arena and suddenly got kicked out due to db maintenance. What happens in this case?

maybe something related to somebody's mm multiple payment on the other thread..

<DJNoni> Random encounter does cost stamina, doesn´t it? there seems to be some confusion about it on the forum,
<tenboro> it doesn't
I will update the wiki if needed

Wiki updated.

I wonder, maybe stamina is linked to proceeding to next round? In that case, ROB would not consume stamina either. Anyone care to test?

Wiki updated.

I wonder, maybe stamina is linked to proceeding to next round? In that case, ROB would not consume stamina either. Anyone care to test?

so... you need to get the exact time your stamina tick is, then do a couple RoB (one is actually enough but it'll be too close to comfort) and then check if the tick is delayed by a few minutes?

that's easy enough.
go on, somebody.

oh, btw if that's true, would all arena stamina cost would be round-1 then?

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Feb 1 2019, 13:25

so... you need to get the exact time your stamina tick is, then do a couple RoB (one is actually enough but it'll be too close to comfort) and then check if the tick is delayed by a few minutes?

that's easy enough.
go on, somebody.

oh, btw if that's true, would all arena stamina cost would be round-1 then?

Let's not jump to conclusions. But feel free to test. Could just be as simple as that RE doesn't cost stamina, and all other stuff does.

in case of RE, we still can test it by simply not finishing the RE, then trigger it 25 times...
but we can't do it with RoB, right???

in case of RE, we still can test it by simply not finishing the RE, then trigger it 25 times...
but we can't do it with RoB, right???

RE we don't need to test. We now know for sure. The way to test is to time the +1 stamina (preferably when between 80 and 90) and then do 2-3 RoB's and nothing else and then see if the next +1 stamina is exactly 60 minutes later, or that it is delayed with +2 minutes per RoB.

I mean you just have to find out when the stamina ticks, let's say at the clock. Then do RoB and wait an hour, and if it ticks again at the clock then RoB does not spend stamina, if it's delayed by 72/144 seconds (depending on your stamina < 80 or not), then it does.

Better yet, asking tenboro would be the most reliable and simply way lol.

RE we don't need to test. We now know for sure. The way to test is to time the +1 stamina (preferably when between 80 and 90) and then do 2-3 RoB's and nothing else and then see if the next +1 stamina is exactly 60 minutes later, or that it is delayed with +2 minutes per RoB.

I mean you just have to find out when the stamina ticks, let's say at the clock. Then do RoB and wait an hour, and if it ticks again at the clock then RoB does not spend stamina, if it's delayed by 72/144 seconds (depending on your stamina < 80 or not), then it does.

Better yet, asking tenboro would be the most reliable and simply way lol.

yeah...
that the bothersome way...
before tenb confirmation, I only thought that method to test whether RE consume stamina or not... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Any advice on monster lab? I've read that after PL500 your monster has a chance to bring HG material, but by no means I can manage that as of now, so I'm just spending all my chaos tokens onto additional slots and level up monsters to 25.

So far I have 9 lv25 monsters. Is it okay if I continue with my strat for a while?

increase your PL requires crystals, increase your monster count requires token, those two uses completely different resources.

Chaos upgrade don't give PL IIRC

Yea but if I level up my monsters I don't have enough crystals to create new monsters even if I were to open new slots, so I have to make a choice between small number of high PL vs many low PL anyways

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 2 2019, 03:54

Any advice on monster lab? I've read that after PL500 your monster has a chance to bring HG material, but by no means I can manage that as of now, so I'm just spending all my chaos tokens onto additional slots and level up monsters to 25.

So far I have 9 lv25 monsters. Is it okay if I continue with my strat for a while?

Yeah, after 500 they start, with a really, really low chance to bring HGMats. I mean even with a whole army of them, you dont get that much HG out of them. So, yeah, just create more monster bring them to 25 and repeat. But what you could do is use some crystals to increase their moral to save some happy pills. Other than that, i guess you doing fine.

Yea but if I level up my monsters I don't have enough crystals to create new monsters even if I were to open new slots, so I have to make a choice between small number of high PL vs many low PL anyways

Spend on a few package of crystal. That should sustain you for a veeeeeery long time. Well worth it imo

So I've been testing to see which arena provides most EXP/round, for reference when I can use only limited stamina above 80, and here's the result @ lv.266:

To Kill a God (80 rounds): 316271/round
The Trio and the Tree (100 rounds): 271614/round
Eve of Death (90 rounds): 257778/round
End of Days (First SG): 255770/round
Dreamfall (60 rounds): 220332/round
New Wings(75 rounds): 219216/round
Sealed Power(70 rounds): 215355/round
Eternal Darkness(2nd SG): 205592/round
Exile (65 rounds): 203742/round
Longest Journey (55 rounds): 167341/round

Conditions: IWBTH, no stamina bonus

I didn't unlock DwD yet so it's not included. One interesting I noticed was the result I obtained was extremely close to the theoretical values I calculated based on exp/monster from RE, under assumption SG/Boss/Ultimate gives about same EXP as normal monsters. Based on the theoretical value, DwD should give most EXP per round, but To Kill a God comes in a very close second. (95 percentile)

One other thing would be boss monsters could give more EXP, but not by much.

Any advice on monster lab? I've read that after PL500 your monster has a chance to bring HG material, but by no means I can manage that as of now, so I'm just spending all my chaos tokens onto additional slots and level up monsters to 25.

So far I have 9 lv25 monsters. Is it okay if I continue with my strat for a while?

Buy yourself a few crystal packs. They're cheap nowadays. And at that power level, it'll be way way less expensive than restoring their morale with happy pills. Don't focus on upgrading them ASAP to start dropping HG, it's not worth it and this is where you actually waste resources. They will eventually reach a decent PL by just normal morale restoration with crystal packs, and by that time you will need to prepare yourself for their increasing amount of care they need.

So I've been testing to see which arena provides most EXP/round, for reference when I can use only limited stamina above 80, and here's the result @ lv.266:

Based on the theoretical value, DwD should give most EXP per round, but To Kill a God comes in a very close second. (95 percentile)

that's about right, though it's lower than 95.


another comparison 7 enemies RE gives 7,845,478 EXP for me.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Feb 2 2019, 12:02

I never understood why players make so many calculations and spend so much time trying to find out what arena nets the most. Doing that is extremely inefficient. I mean, by the time you finished calculating, you'd have been better off clearing all the arenas for plenty of days, period. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

If one is really short on time, just clear the 2nd page of arenas without the SG ones and call it a day. And if you don't even have time for that, then just don't play. At least have a bit of consistency between your statements and your actions: if you don't have time to play, then why do you waste it an even worse way by doing calculations and futile optimization? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

That was my humble two cents on that subject. And no I've ever been in such considerations myself, precisely for the reasons I've stated.

that's about right, though it's lower than 95.


another comparison 7 enemies RE gives 7,845,478 EXP for me.

Huh, interesting to see the discrepancy, but yours is probably more accurate because I was levelling up as I gathered the data lol, well at least the order seems to be right so there is that.

I never understood why players make so many calculations and spend so much time trying to find out what arena nets the most. Doing that is extremely inefficient. I mean, by the time you finished calculating, you'd have been better off clearing all the arenas for plenty of days, period. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

If one is really short on time, just clear the 2nd page of arenas without the SG ones and call it a day. And if you don't even have time for that, then just don't play. At least have a bit of consistency between your statements and your actions: if you don't have time to play, then why do you waste it an even worse way by doing calculations and futile optimization? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

That was my humble two cents on that subject. And no I've ever been in such considerations myself, precisely for the reasons I've stated.

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I never understood why players make so many calculations and spend so much time trying to find out what arena nets the most. Doing that is extremely inefficient. I mean, by the time you finished calculating, you'd have been better off clearing all the arenas for plenty of days, period. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

If one is really short on time, just clear the 2nd page of arenas without the SG ones and call it a day. And if you don't even have time for that, then just don't play. At least have a bit of consistency between your statements and your actions: if you don't have time to play, then why do you waste it an even worse way by doing calculations and futile optimization? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

That was my humble two cents on that subject. And no I've ever been in such considerations myself, precisely for the reasons I've stated.

what do you mean it's "extremely inefficient"?
it takes less than a day, and by the time he have the correct value, he could use it forever.

the "calculation time" is technically instant as it's just put stuff on excel and write some calculation formula.
the amount of time used to make the color coded visual is double of that.

and it seems you mistakenly understand what saioux obejctive is, from my view he wants to know the most efficient way to spend his rested bonus stamina, not his time - for whatever reason he have.
and I did the same thing as him back there, that's why I take interest in his effort so I spare few seconds from every arena clear to record the exp and couple of minutes to make comparison. to actually try to help him.

what I really don't understand is people who refuse to spend a little time to understand other's perspective yet have time to diss their effort. ¯\(ツ)/¯

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Feb 2 2019, 16:10