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- RE doesn't spend stamina

Yes it does.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Feb 1 2019, 10:53

you guys just reach a point where different monsters gives substantially different problem compared others (unlike the state of everything are squishy on low level) and your cognitive bias moves on a conspiracy theorist way.
it's like those celestials that squishy as fuck but having spell that hits like truck
or those giants that took way longer to kill than it should
and it's more apparent as afaik they group only 2 kind of monsters every battle instead of mixes of all kind of monsters like before(?)

you're just on a limbo where the enemies aren't as squishy as before but you haven't be able to catch up to all of them.
it'll go away in time, as in the end it doesn't matter if you're strong enough, stronger than all kind of monsters.
if you're lvl 400 and still got this problem, I don't know what to say, maybe because you play unconventional way? ¯\(ツ)/¯

Fun facts about stamina:

- RE doesn't spend stamina

are you sure about that or you just can't actually measure the miniscule stamina cost from 1 round of battle?

Yes it does.

Does it? I've been clearing RE as soon as its cd is up for the past three hours, but my stamina gains a point every hour without delay, which should not be the case if RE spends stamina.

If RE spends stamina, the time I get my stamina increase should be delayed by 288 seconds ~ 5 min every hour since I'm playing them above 80, but for the past four hours my stamina's been going up precisely at 41th minute of every hour, which made me think RE doesn't spend stamina.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 1 2019, 11:18

Does it? I've been clearing RE as soon as its cd is up for the past three hours, but my stamina gains a point every hour without delay, which should not be the case if RE spends stamina.

If RE spends stamina, the time I get my stamina increase should be delayed by 288 seconds ~ 5 min every hour since I'm playing them above 80, but for the past four hours my stamina's been going up precisely at 41th minute of every hour, which made me think RE doesn't spend stamina.

1 stamina is 50 rounds under 80, and 25 above. You can do at most 24 RE a day, and in 3 hours, 6. If you do only RE, your stamina will stay permanently at 100, or always increasing, for obvious reasons.

Uh, I think you are not getting the point. I'm not saying that stamina should not increase when I only play RE; I'm saying if RE actually uses stamina, 25+1+1 rounds worth of stamina should regen before I see a increase in stamina, but it's not the case.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 1 2019, 11:45

Uh, I think you are not getting the point. I'm not saying that stamina should not increase when I only play RE; I'm saying if RE actually uses stamina, 25+1+1 rounds worth of stamina should regen before I see a increase in stamina, but it's not the case.

<DJNoni> Random encounter does cost stamina, doesn´t it? there seems to be some confusion about it on the forum,
<tenboro> it doesn't


I will update the wiki if needed

<DJNoni> Random encounter does cost stamina, doesn´t it? there seems to be some confusion about it on the forum,
<tenboro> it doesn't
I will update the wiki if needed

Really? But i am quite sure that i remember that 10bo did wrote in one update that RE do even cost more stamina as a normal round. Do i remember wrong or is this just outdated? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Just checked all updates from 0.75 to 0.82. Nothing. I could swear i read something about RE cost double the stamina of a normal round or so. I am getting old. So here is a special uncle advice, never get old, it is just no good. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Feb 1 2019, 13:08

<tenboro> it doesn't

yay (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)
btw, I was doing arena and suddenly got kicked out due to db maintenance. What happens in this case?

What happens in this case?

Well usually uncle does go to the toilette followed by go for a smoke take a look in the fridge followed by planning what it will be for dinner today. Why do you ask? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

yay (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)
btw, I was doing arena and suddenly got kicked out due to db maintenance. What happens in this case?

maybe something related to somebody's mm multiple payment on the other thread..

<DJNoni> Random encounter does cost stamina, doesn´t it? there seems to be some confusion about it on the forum,
<tenboro> it doesn't
I will update the wiki if needed

Wiki updated.

I wonder, maybe stamina is linked to proceeding to next round? In that case, ROB would not consume stamina either. Anyone care to test?

Wiki updated.

I wonder, maybe stamina is linked to proceeding to next round? In that case, ROB would not consume stamina either. Anyone care to test?

so... you need to get the exact time your stamina tick is, then do a couple RoB (one is actually enough but it'll be too close to comfort) and then check if the tick is delayed by a few minutes?

that's easy enough.
go on, somebody.

oh, btw if that's true, would all arena stamina cost would be round-1 then?

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Feb 1 2019, 13:25

so... you need to get the exact time your stamina tick is, then do a couple RoB (one is actually enough but it'll be too close to comfort) and then check if the tick is delayed by a few minutes?

that's easy enough.
go on, somebody.

oh, btw if that's true, would all arena stamina cost would be round-1 then?

Let's not jump to conclusions. But feel free to test. Could just be as simple as that RE doesn't cost stamina, and all other stuff does.

in case of RE, we still can test it by simply not finishing the RE, then trigger it 25 times...
but we can't do it with RoB, right???

in case of RE, we still can test it by simply not finishing the RE, then trigger it 25 times...
but we can't do it with RoB, right???

RE we don't need to test. We now know for sure. The way to test is to time the +1 stamina (preferably when between 80 and 90) and then do 2-3 RoB's and nothing else and then see if the next +1 stamina is exactly 60 minutes later, or that it is delayed with +2 minutes per RoB.

I mean you just have to find out when the stamina ticks, let's say at the clock. Then do RoB and wait an hour, and if it ticks again at the clock then RoB does not spend stamina, if it's delayed by 72/144 seconds (depending on your stamina < 80 or not), then it does.

Better yet, asking tenboro would be the most reliable and simply way lol.

RE we don't need to test. We now know for sure. The way to test is to time the +1 stamina (preferably when between 80 and 90) and then do 2-3 RoB's and nothing else and then see if the next +1 stamina is exactly 60 minutes later, or that it is delayed with +2 minutes per RoB.

I mean you just have to find out when the stamina ticks, let's say at the clock. Then do RoB and wait an hour, and if it ticks again at the clock then RoB does not spend stamina, if it's delayed by 72/144 seconds (depending on your stamina < 80 or not), then it does.

Better yet, asking tenboro would be the most reliable and simply way lol.

yeah...
that the bothersome way...
before tenb confirmation, I only thought that method to test whether RE consume stamina or not... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Any advice on monster lab? I've read that after PL500 your monster has a chance to bring HG material, but by no means I can manage that as of now, so I'm just spending all my chaos tokens onto additional slots and level up monsters to 25.

So far I have 9 lv25 monsters. Is it okay if I continue with my strat for a while?

increase your PL requires crystals, increase your monster count requires token, those two uses completely different resources.

Chaos upgrade don't give PL IIRC

Yea but if I level up my monsters I don't have enough crystals to create new monsters even if I were to open new slots, so I have to make a choice between small number of high PL vs many low PL anyways

This post has been edited by Saioux: Feb 2 2019, 03:54