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Pass by Decon's shop and auction and pick yourself up a set of Exq/Mag shade armor, maybe a legend here or there. Shouldn't cost more than ~100k-200k, which is ~5-10 precursor artifact.

Shade is a huge power boost due to 0 burden and ADB

Shade has less mitigation than leather right? So it drastically raise ADB and relies on evade?
Let me check on Decon's shop

You use 8 everyday, aside from FSM the first 2 rounds mmm...~?

And now that Blackjack is not actively buying trophies anymore, what are you guys doing with those trophies mmm...~?

I heard that there'll be update on snowflake cheaper trophies RNG soon, but who knows when will it be, so I guess everyone just stacks their trophies

This post has been edited by fuadhika: Jan 31 2019, 14:07

How long does it take to level up from 250 to 300 without drinking ED? I've got some gears I bought that's around 300 lol.

Could anyone give some advice on what to do to build DW fighting style?
Here's my stats info, as you can see i balanced everything except INT because I don't really know what DW should be focused on

And what suffixes I needed if I use leather armor? Should i balance them or focus on one? (yes I'm poor, can't afford shade)

Shade has less mitigation than leather right? So it drastically raise ADB and relies on evade?

I think your evade is simply too low, even on low level it should be around 40-ish, as I could reach 60-ish with my "whatever" set.
and yes shade has less mitigation than leather, but not by much, moreover in general I believe damage avoidance is better than PMI/MMI, so if you could push your evade to 40%+, losing ~5% PMI/MMI (or maybe even up to 10%) is a good enough deal to take.
PMI/MMI is there when your damage avoidance fail, not the other way around.

How long does it take to level up from 250 to 300 without drinking ED? I've got some gears I bought that's around 300 lol.

less than a month I believe, maybe 2-3 weeks or even much earlier if you could play in IWBTH/PFUDOR

I think your evade is simply too low, even on low level it should be around 40-ish, as I could reach 60-ish with my "whatever" set.
and yes shade has less mitigation than leather, but not by much, moreover in general I believe damage avoidance is better than PMI/MMI, so if you could push your evade to 40%+, losing ~5% PMI/MMI (or maybe even up to 10%) is a good enough deal to take.
PMI/MMI is there when your damage avoidance fail, not the other way around.

Ah I see, thanks for the advice, welp there goes more of my credits to decon lol

Not really, if you really want some blood tokens you have to play more than just the arenas, when you do that, they will start to pile up. And no, tokenizer doesnt actually help with that, or at last not much.

Oh of course tokenizer helps with that.... Tokenizer II is 3 times drop, III is 4 times drop. That's a lot more even though blood tokens benefit a bit less from the perks.
If you drop one from monsters everyday, that becomes ppl 2~4.
The bonus from completing Arenas sometimes only give you 1~3 tokens, which is not going to even support your FSM everyday if you don't have the perks.

You use 8 everyday, aside from FSM the first 2 rounds mmm...~?

And now that Blackjack is not actively buying trophies anymore, what are you guys doing with those trophies mmm...~?

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How long does it take to level up from 250 to 300 without drinking ED? I've got some gears I bought that's around 300 lol.

Do not use more than 24 stamina a day. Keep your stamina over 80. Finish 60, 65, 80 first, then spare some on SGs and other Arenas.

Any particular reason to finish 60,65,80 first as opposed to SGs? (What's up with 70?) Do they give the most exp per round I guess?

My plan was Second page+RE = roughly 1000 rounds, and do as many RE as possible above 80. If I spend 8 over 80 (=16 RE) and 16 under 80, that's 1000.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Jan 31 2019, 15:05

Any particular reason to finish 60,65,80 first as opposed to SGs? (What's up with 70?) Do they give the most exp per round I guess?

My plan was Second page+RE = roughly 1000 rounds, and do as many RE as possible above 80. If I spend 8 over 80 (=16 RE) and 16 under 80, that's 1000.

maybe it's counting that there are lower monster count on 70 and 75 round arena
though, I'm not sure about that after counting the multiplier.
assuming each monster (and SGs) gives roughly equal experience (which I'm not really sure if true). and the data on wiki is correct.



first row is round, second is exp multipler, third is total monsters, and the 4th is a simple "number of monsters * exp multiplier / round", 5th is monsters/round

of course if we count for drop rate we should also consider that more monsters = more drop
so 60, 65, and 80 first is more profitable (drop wise) as those are the one with highest monsters/round, followed by DWD and so on.

but, once again, I'm not sure about exp.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jan 31 2019, 15:27

question about 1h/heavy: is it better to have a full plate armor or a mix of plate and power armor?
recently i got a couple of power equipment and i wonder if i should wait to have the full set of power equipments to make the switch or use the power equipment as soon as i get one

question about 1h/heavy: is it better to have a full plate armor or a mix of plate and power armor?

Neither, better is having a full set of power armor.

recently i got a couple of power equipment and i wonder if i should wait to have the full set of power equipments to make the switch or use the power equipment as soon as i get one

Well, because it is the same sort of armor you can mix them all you like, without any penalty. So i would say use as many power armor pieces in your set as you have.

FYI, Tokenizer III nets more than 6 RoB tokens a day when clearing all arenas. At least I only ever use blood tokens on FSM and Konata, with one TT&T once in a while.

FYI, Tokenizer III nets more than 6 RoB tokens a day when clearing all arenas. At least I only ever use blood tokens on FSM and Konata, with one TT&T once in a while.

What's the reason for fighting Konata? Is it different from fighting her in SGs?

What's the reason for fighting Konata? Is it different from fighting her in SGs?

It sort of a trade. One Blood Token for a Chaos Token.

don't fight konata, only FSM.

maybe it's counting that there are lower monster count on 70 and 75 round arena
though, I'm not sure about that after counting the multiplier.
assuming each monster (and SGs) gives roughly equal experience (which I'm not really sure if true). and the data on wiki is correct.



first row is round, second is exp multipler, third is total monsters, and the 4th is a simple "number of monsters * exp multiplier / round", 5th is monsters/round

of course if we count for drop rate we should also consider that more monsters = more drop
so 60, 65, and 80 first is more profitable (drop wise) as those are the one with highest monsters/round, followed by DWD and so on.

but, once again, I'm not sure about exp.

But stamina does not affect drop rate, so in that essence, you shuld actually clear DwD because that's the arena with highest "effective" monsters per round in terms of exp.

What's the reason for fighting Konata? Is it different from fighting her in SGs?

It's because it's this:
1 blood token = 1000 credits + 2 trophies + 1 fair chance to get a new token

But stamina does not affect drop rate, so in that essence, you shuld actually clear DwD because that's the arena with highest "effective" monsters per round in terms of exp.

it wasn't me that saying 60 65 and 80 first
and I put that as a comparison when counting the multiplier, implying that eventhough 70 and 75 have lower monsters count, it is more or less in line with 60 65 and 80 when considering the exp multiplier.
and I indeed saying that 60 65 and 80 is more efficient "drop wise", never I said more efficient in terms of exp.
and I never said that the calculation is "correct" so take it with extra grains and salt, as I - stated twice already - am not sure whether SG gives same exp or not compared to normal monsters.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jan 31 2019, 21:50

Is there a significant difference between S5P4 and S4P5 on a willow staff? (I'm not sure how much the already-included counter-resist on a willow staff affects the stats you want) If I remember right, S5 is still preferred. And would a level of Archmage or two really be so bad, in the place of a level or two of Penetrator on a willow staff?

I'm finally doing my first serious IW run, and while I don't care about getting the perfect piece, I want something quite good at least- for me that would be ideally S5, and maybe some combination of P and Arch. Someone correct me if, in fact, my ideas suck and are way off.

[alt.hentaiverse.org] This is the staff in question

This post has been edited by PapaJuk: Jan 31 2019, 22:24

Is there a significant difference between S5P4 and S4P5 on a willow staff? (I'm not sure how much the already-included counter-resist on a willow staff affects the stats you want) If I remember right, S5 is still preferred. And would a level of Archmage or two really be so bad, in the place of a level or two of Penetrator on a willow staff?

I'm finally doing my first serious IW run, and while I don't care about getting the perfect piece, I want something quite good at least- for me that would be ideally S5, and maybe some combination of P and Arch. Someone correct me if, in fact, my ideas suck and are way off.

good question!

It's very very hard to get staff IW right, so if you want a 3 type perfect IW, it's almost impossible. So, having said that:
1. Pen 5 is essential. No, pen4 is not good enough. Sorry. Reforge.
2. My dream IW would be Pen5 Spel3 Arch1 - good for Pffest, plus for SG. You need high cast speed for pffest, but you can just use a charged for that.
3. The best IW is Pen5Spel4, according to the real experts. Or if you never play PFFEST, then Pen5Arch4
4. I got Pen5 Spel3 Annihilator1 - and I love it! Especially in DWD. They say that Arch would be even better, but ann is also rocking it. But, I have a pretty good (and expensive) staff, with very high crit.

In summary: pen5spel4 or reforge.

Well this discourse is meaningless unless we know for sure what vincento meant by "first" - is it when I have limited stamina I should prioritize on 60,65,80 arenas for better drops, or is it better to spend those stamina over 80 on them because they are better exp-wise.

I just completed the 125 arena on Nintendo and it gives only 29m exp above 80, which is miserable compared to 11m from 60 arena on iwbth, even if we take into account 60 arena was done on iwbth. BUt then again it's only fair to make this comparison as I'm looking for personally most efficient way to gain exp, and I can't handle SG on iwbth yet.

I'll have to do some more testing, but I think it's highly possible 60,65,80 are more efficient drop-wise due to the reasons you stated, and maybe also exp-wise if I can handel them at higher difficulty, or maybe the 2nd SG arena just really sucks ass.

I just completed the 125 arena on Nintendo and it gives only 29m exp above 80, which is miserable compared to 11m from 60 arena on iwbth, even if we take into account 60 arena was done on iwbth. BUt then again it's only fair to make this comparison as I'm looking for personally most efficient way to gain exp, and I can't handle SG on iwbth yet.

well IWBTH gives 1.5x more exp than nintendo, what are you expecting for...
if you play both on IWBTH that 125 arena should give about 43mil exp.

and that shows that my number is incorrect I guess...

actually I found this on my old folder I guess it's exp from each arena, forgot at what level, but I believe around 400-ish

60 530,562,161 XP from Dreamfall, => 530.562.161 / 2.4 (2.4 from 60/25 as in 25 round/stamina) ~ 220m exp/stamina?
65 614,942,014 XP from Exile, => 614,942,014 / 2.6 ~230m/stamina
70 664,921,482 XP from Sealed Power, => 664 / 2.8 ~ 237m/stamina
75 709,616,254 XP from New Wings, => 709 / 3 ~236m

100 1,055,227,659 XP from To Kill a God, 244 sec => 1,055/3.2 ~329

110 1,216,082,986 XP from End of Days, => 1,216 /4.4 ~270m
125 1,108,637,439 XP from Eternal Darkness, => 1,108 /5 ~ 220m
150 2,366,121,718 XP from DwD, => 2,366 / 6 ~390m