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I really dont get it. Why instead? I mean it take me a while to kill an with normal attacks and without any debuff SG, but an SG with imperil and at least two PA? Is nothing. I just use VS and they are death or at least only two turns away from it.

because - unless I missed something - he's using long sword. and I believe using the overcharge for spirit stance is better than "wasting" it on extra PA over imperil.
that's why I implicitly encouraging him to ditch that 2h and change to 1h rapier (and use it's natural PA + perma spirit stance on point number 2.)

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jan 25 2019, 15:03

I still dont understand why instead? As i understand your post, you suggest him two options, and they both look to me as if imperil and PA is something to be used instead but not together. And i really dont understand why. Because i use them together and i am quite happy with the results, even if you use an element that doesnt weaken the SG itself, even if 3x PA is enough to bring the PM of the SG to the minimum -tbh i dont even know if that is true or not, but i will look that one up- and all that, imperil does usually hit more than just SG and by that does still decrease the overall time to clear the SG arena, so i really dont see the point in not using imperil just because one use a rapier that can cause PA. I mean imo PA gets only reliable after you reached an high enough crit chance (every critical hit is equal to proc the debuf) i would say around 40%. So seriously, why using them instead, instead using them together? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

So every level of PA takes 25% PM, so yeah, using them together is imo useful. Btw now that i think about it, to proc the weapon ability could even actually be a reason to use balance power armor afterall. I have to check that sometime.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Jan 25 2019, 15:23

I still dont understand why instead? As i understand your post, you suggest him two options, and they both look to me as if imperil and PA is something to be used instead but not together. And i really dont understand why. Because i use them together and i am quite happy with the results, even if you use an element that doesnt weaken the SG itself, even if 3x PA is enough to bring the PM of the SG to the minimum -tbh i dont even know if that is true or not, but i will look that one up- and all that, imperil does usually hit more than just SG and by that does still decrease the overall time to clear the SG arena, so i really dont see the point in not using imperil just because one use a rapier that can cause PA. I mean imo PA gets only reliable after you reached an high enough crit chance (every critical hit is equal to proc the debuf) i would say around 40%. So seriously, why using them instead, instead using them together? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

So every level of PA takes 25% PM, so yeah, using them together is imo useful. Btw now that i think about it, to proc the weapon ability could even actually be a reason to use balance power armor afterall. I have to check that sometime.

Of course he could do Imperil+PA+SS on his longsword but he need to spend 50 overcharge for proc-ing the PA for "mere" 5 turns followed by 5 turns cooldown before reapplying another PA, and just to remind you 2h can't do perma spirit stance, so if you spend your OC for skill, you'll have less time on +100% damage on spirit stance bonus.

and I never said anything about not using imperil on rapier.

edit
in retrospect, it seems it's all because of wording, he is using PA + imperil on longsword, and what I'm advising is not proccing the PA and use the OC for Spirit stance instead (or change to 1h rapier)
so it should be
1 : use imperil (only) instead of PA (+ imperil) and use the OC for spirit stance.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jan 25 2019, 17:17

Guys, keep in mind that 1H's permanent spirit stance is not a thing under lvl 250, maybe even for some time above.

Guys, keep in mind that 1H's permanent spirit stance is not a thing under lvl 250, maybe even for some time above.

are you sure about that?
I could vaguely remember that it's almost perma between mid 100 when I start doing 2 counter/turn.
and afaik the mechanic didn't change for years. in contrary it should be easier as proficiency is also easier now so people could get that 3 counters/turn and higher counter chance sooner than before.

Of course he could do Imperil+PA+SS on his longsword

Ehm, now i am no longer sure we actually talk about the same thing. With PA i mean the penetrated armor debuff, only granted by rapier and estocs. And i have to admit in this context i have no idea what you even could mean with SS. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Is it possible we actually did talk past each other? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Ehm, now i am no longer sure we actually talk about the same thing. With PA i mean the penetrated armor debuff, only granted by rapier and estocs. And i have to admit in this context i have no idea what you even could mean with SS. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Is it possible we actually did talk past each other? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

People using non-piercing based 2h-weapon could apply 5(?) turns of 3 stack Penetrated Armor using a skill (Rendering Blow) which cost 50 Overcharge.
SS means Spirit Stance.

I'm talking in the context that he is using Longsword - not Rapier - applying PA using rendering blow and imperil to kill SGs.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jan 25 2019, 17:40

As a newbie, I was 2H and shade armor until ~250 because shade armor at that level was relatively cheap for the stats/damage. I didn't bother with SG arenas past the initial reward clear because they take a particularly long time compared to the non-SG arenas.

Just like Grindfest, you won't necessarily need to complete those parts of HV unless you REALLY want to. I get down to 80 stamina just by doing the low-level arenas and the ones that lead up to 200.

Oh, there is a 2H skill that does inflict PA? Well, look at that. I didnt even know about that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yep, there's one that deals a good (~300% ?) damage to 5 targets in a cluster, which gives PA debuff for 5 turns on all of them.

The other stuns anything with PA debuff, a bit less (?) damage that also hit 5 in a cluster.

Both of them cost 50 OC, which imo is the best use of OC for 2H. Spirit burns out too quick for relatively little juice, especially if you have to use items in between.

Especially later round, OC skill + 1-2 attack can wipe off 5 enemies easily. It's bread-and-butter for me for arena clear, decently fast now that I found the alt. site without the gigantic ping overhead.

Only downside is I'm missing too much, and if I can't kill fast enough, things gets ugly fast. Kill so you don't have to heal I guess.

Well at least now the instead does make sense to me.

Only downside is I'm missing too much, and if I can't kill fast enough, things gets ugly fast. Kill so you don't have to heal I guess.

You can use voidseeker shards to boost accuracy, they were pretty cheap last I checked.

I usually use all my OC on skills or SS and not OFC with 2h too, unless I just happen to have full oc at big wave start.

This post has been edited by Nayas: Jan 26 2019, 00:55

Hellooo I have a question regarding the difficulty setting for the arena. Currently I tried Hell difficulties for harder arenas and it seems fine, except for the hardest one I try, towards the last ten or so rounds, my spirit stance gets depleted.

1. How does spirit really work? It seems when the monsters get tougher, it either depletes faster/ not regens properly
2. How hard a difficulty can I handle with my equips and stats? I wanna get credits faster so I can get OFC~

Please find attached my stats and equips. All equip levels are 170. On that end, when should I change the equipment? Thank you~~




EDIT: So I'm trying out arena at more difficult levels, and I died once trying PFUDOR and IWTBH lol. Guess I will just stick Hell for now...Plus they cost too much of equipment condition (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)(
Any tips of battling would be also really apprecitd!

This post has been edited by Saioux: Jan 26 2019, 04:02

Spirit regenerates if you can successfully attack or counterattack a monster. Harder difficulties mean more attacks are required to kill one.

Re: equipment, do you have Void Strike on your Rapier? If not, there are at least 2 Free IW seller in the WTS. Trying looking into getting Shielding plate or Power of Warding/Protection to replace your plate.

Thank you!! I think I have holy strike instead of void strike. For the power or shielding plate, how much should I expect to spend on each piece, or are they also available via free shop? Thank you for your help!!
also, may I ask what do you mean by IW seller? Is it different from normal free shops?

This post has been edited by Saioux: Jan 26 2019, 05:35

Thank you!! I think I have holy strike instead of void strike. For the power or shielding plate, how much should I expect to spend on each piece, or are they also available via free shop? Thank you for your help!!
also, may I ask what do you mean by IW seller? Is it different from normal free shops?

Basically there is a few people out there that won't ask for credits and will work on your weapons after you send them and then give it back to you for free.

Oh that's awesome! Thanks for the tip. By the way, is it okay for me to soulfuse my exquisite rapier or is it waste of money? If I were to get IW service for this weapon, I think I might as use it for a while, but since the level of my weapon is 170, I don't know how long will it stay competent.

Okay, IW stands for Item World. There is an Item World option under battle. Completing an Item World run gives your weapon or armor weapon exp. The maximum level is 10. Item World sellers level your weapon to 10 for you if you cannot do it yourself or don't really want to spend the time doing so.

In this case, you can get your weapon to level 10 to get Hollowforged, which converts your weapon to Void damage, and adds Void Strike. Void bypasses Crushing, Piercing and Slashing defenses.

Power or shielding can be found at FreeShop if any are there. You can also try shops specifying they are for low level players.

As for price? I can't say. But I'll be nice.

Thank you so much for your kind donation and helpful comments.
In comparing the quality of the equipment you sent vs the ones I own, is there a user script that makes it easier, or should I calculate it by myself?

For instance, I guess I could compare the defense by (1-mitigation)*(1-block), but it's a little bit cumbersome. When evaluating armors, should I take the primary attributes bonus into account as well? Thank you!!

I'd suggest you to look into how equipment scaling work. In principle you find a good piece of equipment with good base stats (with pre/post fix and stat rolls) that fit your style, and soul bind it.

Thus, the equipment range is meaningless if it's not something soul bind worthy. In this case, whatever have better numbers work, so a gear of lower quality but closer to you in level could be much better than your 50+ levels below gear.

Honestly soul bind is for convenience, nothing around sub 300 is usable in the long run from what I've seen. You want at least legendary, and rare (for level) drop is better off used and resell.