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post Jan 24 2019, 18:24
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Jesus Christ that's at least 5-8 times faster

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post Jan 24 2019, 19:37
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jan 24 2019, 21:38) *

There's another option.

You can hire 3 or 4 people to play on relay scheme. Then it will be possible to play 24 hours a day. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

And look on the bright side: you would be creating jobs. Have you thought about how many jobs would be created if everyone did this? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


wouldn't that be illegal?
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post Jan 24 2019, 20:34
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Jan 24 2019, 15:37) *

wouldn't that be illegal?


It's been so long since I read that I did not even remember. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Jan 24 2019, 20:40
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According to rule number 5 it would be illegal and as it is more or less unimaginable that people would do illegal things within the internet, I guess it was more of an hypothetical example (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But talking about doing real damage:

QUOTE(-vincento- @ Jan 24 2019, 15:14) *

If he ever chooses ethereal, you and others will be the ones who start lecturing.


QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jan 24 2019, 15:39) *

I just say that ethereal is overrated and not the best for 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)



Ok, this is obvious a total landmine. Maybe even a full field of it. But now I'm curious and willing to take a jump even if I can already feel all the facepalms and "why" crys:

Why exactly is elemental better than ethereal?

With a look at the wiki for me as a beginner the advantages of ethereal are maybe just more obviouse:
- no inteference = less mana cost
- no burden = higher evade chance + if otherwise > 40 higher attack speed + if otherwise > 120 even higher crit chance
- (short term advantage) even before item level 10 void strike which does probably slightly more damage than an additional elemental strike

As far as I was able to collect the advantages for elemental weapons these are:
- 25% additional magic damage in that element (I once tried to use an attack spell. The resulting damage was embarresing. I doubt that 25% would get me beyond shameful, but maybe that's a higher level thing)
- 25% more resistance to that specific element? Not sure about that though - the wiki says something that could be interpreted like that.


And there is another total noob question:
What exactly is a "crystalpack"? As one could guess from the name and https://ehwiki.org/wiki/File:Crystal_packs_vs_PL.png it is probably a package of multiple crystals. But how many of each or is it random?
For example qinkin1979 offers "Crystal pack (1200) @ 21K" at the WTS board.
As one crystal costs 10 credits at the basar the pack should at least inculde 2100 crystal - otherwise it wouldn't be ... that of an amazing deal, right? So i guess the "(1200)" is not the number of crystals?
I thougth about to just buy it and find out myself, but if I mess up at a shop because of the lack of knowledge it could really piss other peole off - so here I'm again! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

As always: Thanks in advance and regards
-hopkar


Edit: My question for the advantages of elemental weapons meant for 1h users. For mages I'm sure the additional spell damages is more than useful.
And as I'm already at asking questions: How do I post links to equipment? Or rather: where can I find the url of a specific item?

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post Jan 24 2019, 20:52
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QUOTE(hopkar @ Jan 24 2019, 21:40) *


Why exactly is elemental better than ethereal?

Uncle says overrated, not better. You get free void strike at IW10, or a random element for ethereal, which makes it less of a gamble when you can get desired ele from the start and ethereal weapons will cost more.
1h doesn't care about burden and interference.

QUOTE(hopkar @ Jan 24 2019, 21:40) *

What exactly is a "crystalpack"?

If type of crystals is not mentioned, it's pack of 1k crystals of each type and it is a far better deal than buying crystals separately.
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post Jan 24 2019, 21:05
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Thanks for the fast reply!
Ok, so Crytsal pack is more or less clear now: 1k each means 12k in total. Maybe qinkin1979 was missing a "0" at the (1200) and just nobody cared because everyone knew what it should mean.

As for the prefix: Uncle said ethereal is not the best - which means there should be something better. As I understand that burden or interefenrce from the weapon may not be critical for a 1h, accoring to wiki even if you have low burden as 1h light (like me) each point "Reduces evade by 4/3%, or roughly 1.33% per burden (fully eliminates evasion at 75 burden). The penalty is multiplicative; a player with 50% evade and 0 burden will be reduced to ~33.5% evasion at 25 burden."
So I would have guessed that it's still better then a "maybe" worse second strike at level 10 which you could try to redo with an amnesia shard.


Edit: Ok, so maybe you can't counter after an evade - only after a block or parry? Then it would make sense that the evasion thanks to the lack of burden would not be necessarily an advantage.

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post Jan 24 2019, 21:09
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jan 25 2019, 01:34) *

It's been so long since I read that I did not even remember. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


I just search that too as I only vaguely remember.

and in my search I am reminded how some people are... special...
I know what happened with blackjack thread, even with reminder people still sending him trophy, and I think it still somewhat acceptable as some people still saying that blackjack accept the CoD.... but necroing a 1 year dead wtb thread for selling... really... you need to actually scourge through the hidden thread to be able to even open the thread.

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Why exactly is elemental better than ethereal?


afaik it's basically boil down to 2 thing.
1. Ethereal extra elemental strike from IW 10 is random, while on the elemental one you could choose it based on it's elemental prefix.
Though, if you're willing to make a little(?) extra effort, this point is somewhat moot when you count that you could simply leave the ethereal at IW 9 and use whatever element you wants via infusion.
2. Some people prefer having the extra burden/interference to intentionally decrease their attack speed bonus.
Though, once again, I think this is pretty much depends on each person just like that haste or no-haste playstyle.

though I'll just agree with the fact that the ethereal is currently overated considering current expected price compared to other.

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post Jan 24 2019, 21:15
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QUOTE(hopkar @ Jan 24 2019, 14:05) *

As for the prefix: Uncle said ethereal is not the best - which means there should be something better. As I understand that burden or interefenrce from the weapon may not be critical for a 1h, accoring to wiki even if you have low burden as 1h light (like me) each point "Reduces evade by 4/3%, or roughly 1.33% per burden (fully eliminates evasion at 75 burden). The penalty is multiplicative; a player with 50% evade and 0 burden will be reduced to ~33.5% evasion at 25 burden."

The assumption for elemental is that the cost of featherweight shards is negligible.

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So I would have guessed that it's still better then a "maybe" worse second strike at level 10 which you could try to redo with an amnesia shard.

No, you would have to use 10 amnesia shards (or 5 with dark descent) and start over.
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post Jan 24 2019, 21:40
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jan 24 2019, 08:19) *

Play on [alt.hentaiverse.org] http://alt.hentaiverse.org to get rid of the delay induced by the Cloudflare network. It does wonders.

How do you make that the default?
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post Jan 25 2019, 00:38
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QUOTE(hopkar @ Jan 24 2019, 20:05) *

So I would have guessed that it's still better then a "maybe" worse second strike at level 10 which you could try to redo with an amnesia shard.


As jantch said: You can't just remove the last potency, you'd have to start back from square one. The problem about that is, that it may take you ages to get the right potencies for the first nine levels of the item.
Now imagine: You have leveld up your weapon of choice a few dozen times, and spent hundreds of amnesia shards until you finally got your desired potencies (Butcher/fatality combinations are the most popular, but let's not get into detail here) and then you start thinking: "What if I don't get the elemental strike I want when I go to level 10? Would I really want to take as long or even longer just for another CHANCE to get a better elemental strike?"
If you don't like to gamble, you could use infusions forever.
Or you take an elemental wepon right from the start and don't have to bother with it at all.

Also, there's something about high attack speed being bad for 1h players due to less counters, but I'll let somebody else explain that.

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post Jan 25 2019, 04:00
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wait... I thought infusion adds another strike on top of element/ethereal strike and IW10 strike, up to 4 (basic + 3 strikes) in one hit?

Also, I reached 225 arena and saw lots of schoolgirl. Is imperil the only trick and I have to endure the tankiness or am I missing something?
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post Jan 25 2019, 04:35
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I'll second to the comment above, if you add infusion at a elemental weapon it don't get another element strike? Or it does apply only to IW 10 Etheral?

Doing a bit of dmg tracking... Haste does a poor job in the 1h/Heavy.

10 rounds log result

Void Strike dmg - 183946
Counter dmg - 329969
Critical dmg - 197490
Normal Hit dmg - 324845

This is with 6.6 speed bonus not even 10%.
Shield and Weapon with featherweight. Will do it again when the effect is over.
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post Jan 25 2019, 04:36
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QUOTE(ihatenamingthings @ Jan 24 2019, 18:00) *

wait... I thought infusion adds another strike on top of element/ethereal strike and IW10 strike, up to 4 (basic + 3 strikes) in one hit?

Also, I reached 225 arena and saw lots of schoolgirl. Is imperil the only trick and I have to endure the tankiness or am I missing something?

Imperil + Vital Strike on schoolgirl if they have enough PA debuff if you use Rapier.
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post Jan 25 2019, 04:49
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Another 10 rounds when not using Haste Spell, same stats.
Void Strike dmg - 169409
Counter dmg - 527376
Critical dmg - 187708
Normal Hit dmg - 264257

That was enlightening.
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post Jan 25 2019, 04:51
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I never used Weapon Skills in 1H.Because it cost OC.
Merciful Blow can kills a bleeding target with less than 25% health.
It looks useful for SG.
How about it in real?
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post Jan 25 2019, 05:04
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QUOTE(chjj30 @ Jan 24 2019, 06:12) *

Playing like this is dangerous for Life and Health of a Person. People need to eat various Food, sleep enough, walk outside sometimes, clean the Haus. I recommand, if HV is really for some People as important as you say, and those People want to play more and longer, then they should live healthily and have Income. If they lose their Life or Freedom, they can't play more.


I've got to concede on this one.
Yes sir. We do need to vary our food intake.

French Fries... Adding French Fries to the Corn dogs! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jan 24 2019, 06:24) *

True, but Road was probably not entirely serious (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Sincerely, I wasn't serious at all.
Except for the fact that everybody's advice sucks horribly, and they need to suck less in the future.


QUOTE(decondelite @ Jan 24 2019, 06:46) *

He wasn't entirely joking either, that's the worst. We do know some players who aren't far from that.

And that advice sucks too anyway. Just do like RoadShoe : take years of adopt-a-servers, sell the hath, get tokens thanks to the lottery. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)


(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yeah.... that didn't work out too well for me, did it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(RibbonsCan @ Jan 24 2019, 11:40) *

How do you make that the default?


Personally, I could not make "alt" work by adding a link icon to my desktop.
It would always default it to "http", and destroy the link.
The only way it work was with a tab right below the address line.

But someone out there has to have a better way.
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post Jan 25 2019, 05:43
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QUOTE(kikikaki @ Jan 25 2019, 03:51) *

I never used Weapon Skills in 1H.Because it cost OC.
Merciful Blow can kills a bleeding target with less than 25% health.
It looks useful for SG.
How about it in real?

MB is quite useless imo. I mean i only find it usefull against the FSM to shorten the fight, but except that? Nope. But i use Vital Strike on nearly all SG, what makes it much more usefull imo than MB ever could be. I mean when an SG is down to 25% health it is most of the time also imperiled and armor penetrated so it will die in just a few hits anyway, why waste OC to save maybe three or two turns? I mean in the end i could loose more turns later because i have to wait for the OC to come back to me.
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post Jan 25 2019, 06:21
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QUOTE(~Shyboy @ Jan 24 2019, 21:49) *

Another 10 rounds when not using Haste Spell, same stats.
Void Strike dmg - 169409
Counter dmg - 527376
Critical dmg - 187708
Normal Hit dmg - 264257

That was enlightening.


I'd say how it feels matters, and total turn count as well, as it affect your stamina usage/efficiency. Less counter damage means you get hit less though, so essentially means you're killing them *faster* (ingame speed, not irl), which... is what haste do.

Though I agree, haste is not worth its MP cost, at all, for 1H. You're better off getting more cures/veil/protection.
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post Jan 25 2019, 06:25
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QUOTE(RibbonsCan @ Jan 24 2019, 21:36) *

Imperil + Vital Strike on schoolgirl if they have enough PA debuff if you use Rapier.


Sadly I only run Arena with 2H on a crappy old af soulbound longsword that's barely good enough from being replaced...

They do have PA debuff though, from 2H RB. GC sometimes shave 50%+ HP off Konata with imperil + PA, but it takes forever to kill them.

Not that I mind it too much, as it gives me plenty of OC and CD time, as they don't really do much damage. But the stamina cost for taking that long is... too much.
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post Jan 25 2019, 06:30
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You're better off getting more cures/veil/protection.

You know that Veil also reduces your overall counter attacks?
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