[X] My Assistant

Can you show me where do I exactly asign the keys using monsterbation? Screencap it or something?

There ya go, check the script better next time though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Jan 16 2018, 19:14

Could you please try to read the instructions within the script first?

Hint: it starts at row 130

Will do.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

At what % gift factor and/or level will these useless fucks bring me a hg cloth or wood at least instead of being parasites

Wow rude (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
While you only need 500 on paper, in reality you want way higher than that. https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Power_L...Effect_On_Gifts
The "make a million monsters > get rich" thing got nerfed a long time ago, but maybe if you're salvaging magnifishits all the time it could be better to go for quantity. I still say quality is better (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

@ qw3rty67 and decon: what's up, guys?

I'm just tired of crappily-formed arguments. It's the same as Cryosite saying damage doesn't matter, then bringing low damage to a high damage situation and using that as "proof." That is not how it works. You play the game, then use numbers to put words to your observations, not start with numbers then force the game to match them. Otherwise no one would ever play fighting games because they'd all memorize the frame data and that would be that.

Does he really think the game would be designed to be impossible without perfect gear? Nevermind that the wiki lies and says peerless is +25% sup max (it's 41.5%), look at how hard it is to get an upgrade. Let's say I want a hallowed oak of focus. Say all staves have equal chances. Noodles are guaranteed ex. It would take 4 noodles to get one oak. 4 x 3 = 12 to get focus. 1/4th chance for prefix, 48 for prefix of focus. Hallowed is 10%, so 480 noodles for an expected one hallowed oak of focus. And that's only exquisite! At one noodle a day, that's a year and a half for one upgrade for one slot! Really?! At what point does he step back and think "maybe I'm doing something wrong?" I'll even give him that the first page of arenas is actually harder than the second because there are less monsters to leech oc from. Will the 0.01% increase from his two legs to peerless really make the difference from failure to breezing? WEAKEN IS FREE!!

Melee is about oc management, and he is merely proving that gear won't save you if you don't know what you're doing (on pfudor). Which is fine! I mean, that's what this thread is for. But when you're going around saying you need xyz or you suck when you can't even play the game yourself? Craziness (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Also you can't say that while also giving the "back in my day we went uphill in the snow both ways wearing crudes" speech. You can't have it both ways, my friends.

Bonus round: I bet I can guess exactly what's getting him killed. He's using the hover script and not adjusting his actions based on how much damage he's dealing. Which, ironically enough, is even easier the less damage you deal. Blindly digging for upgrades is actually making it harder for himself (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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tl;dr

OK, now I'm angry. It's time to be The Evil: hurt and humiliate while remaining politically correct.
I don't have time to write walls of text to prove that I am right, nor to read other people's.

1) I am one of the only two active wiki contributors and the one currently updating the wiki regarding how the characters stats are calculated. You've chosen the N°1 wrong person to call a noob at that. Sucks to be you.
2) Doing proper research and studying new methods may not need a degree in maths, but having one anyway certainly proves that you know how to lead a reasearch properly and qualify its results. It also helps at determining if a method is good or shit.
3) I thought I did not need to mention that "possible" implies "and is also viable time-wise aswell as brain-wise". Spending most of my time refilling my OC bar to prepare for the next round instead of killing monsters isn't really what I call "viable time-wise". Trying to hurt the monsters a bit but not too much, ending up with a very variable amount of OC in the end of every round, so that I can't possible hope to repeat the pattern in every round, isn't what I call "viable brain-wise". If it really works for you in rounds of 4-6 monsters, then it means that the monsters are laughing at the pathetic damage you're dealing with your weapon and that your clear time must be terrible. For my part, when I use the 2 skills without even activating the spirit stance or Imperil, there's always at least 3 Monsters dead or near dead and the rest certainly won't allow me to refill my OC bar.
4) What do you do when Sleep and Silenced failed and you have no overcharge? Do you pray Snowflake?
5) I'm curious to see your clear time, or a video. That's the only things that would make me admit that a method is viable.

So no, big flat NO, Power Two-Handed is not possible at my level, unless one uses a mace. I'll consider it "possible" when it's possible to tank 4-5 monsters at once without using any depr spell/skill and without stunning them. Or when it's possible to kill them so fast that they don't have the time to damage me.

THIS, is what I expect to do when playing Power 2H: Imperil everything, kill everything within 5-10 regular attacks, next round. If I got 250OC, spirit stance so that everything dies even faster. Just like how mages play, basically. At worst, casting Silence+Sleep on some of the monsters before imperiling, and if they fail I need to make sure that all I'd need is a single full-cure for the whole round, not healings every 2-3 turns.

tl;dr
I won't believe in your efficiency without you bringing in a clear time or a video. I did try your method, I found out it sucks even more than my "natural" way of playing Power 2H, so it's hard to believe it does give results for someone else with lower equipment and level.
If I can't survive with a "Sleep 2, Silence 5, Imperil 8, kill 7+8+9, Imperil 2, Imperil 5, kill the rest", then there's no hope to play that playstyle, simple.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Jan 16 2018, 21:26

alright, this is how much i'm willing to let this discussion going on. if you two want to theorycraft about things, feel free.
if you have problems with each other, that's what PMs are there for.

I'm not mad. Just sad. I see this all the time irl, too. Sisyphus and the rock was a curse, not the normal state of things. It's over now anyway since he admitted won't read and will only move the goalposts.

Now back to my question.

How much Tokenizer do you need to do triple trio and fsm every day?

Now back to my question.

How many tokens do you get now every day?
Tokenizer 1 doubles, 2 triples and 3 quadruples them so you can easily check.

PS:
Does anyone use Absorb or Scrolls of Absorption? I see no use for them.

Power Two-Handed is barely viable at high level where you will have much more defense. Or you can try the better Power Two-Handed its called mage.

Power Two-Handed is barely viable at high level where you will have much more defense. Or you can try the better Power Two-Handed its called mage.

I'm still waiting here for mage nerf / everything else buff (｡◕‿◕｡)

I'm still waiting here for mage nerf / everything else but 1H buff (｡◕‿◕｡)

FIFY (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

afaict I'm pretty much only getting them from arena clears, and it's not even 5 a day nevermind 15. Wiki says minimum 50% chance on page 2 arenas so I'd need to make up the other 9 completely from tokenizer and random drops. Can tokenizer 1/2 get you above 15 if you only do page 2 arenas every day?

FIFY (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Woops, right (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

afaict I'm pretty much only getting them from arena clears, and it's not even 5 a day nevermind 15. Wiki says minimum 50% chance on page 2 arenas so I'd need to make up the other 9 completely from tokenizer and random drops. Can tokenizer 1/2 get you above 15 if you only do page 2 arenas every day?

Imho, nope.
Tokenizer only affects random mob drops, so you'd have to see how many you get a day like that (so tokens got not from arena clears), and then multiply it by the Tokenizer multiplier to see how many you'd get a day.

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Jan 16 2018, 22:40

... and consider that tokenizer affects chaos/blood tokens ratio.

... and consider that tokenizer affects chaos/blood tokens ratio.

...It increased the Chaos ones, or do i remember wrong?

...It increased the Chaos ones, or do i remember wrong?

I have never experienced a decrease or increase in Blood tokens. If there is an effect, it's very small

as far as i know, it increases chaos ratio both for random drops and clear bonuses, so if you get all your blood tokens from arena clears, you may end up with less after buying tokenizer

So basically the description of Tokenizer in the Hath Perks page is completely bullshit?

Anyone ever kept a log of data on Tokens before and after Tokenizer to know the exact ratio/drop changes?

I have never experienced a decrease or increase in Blood tokens. If there is an effect, it's very small

Hence why I said the other day that it didn't change anything for these.
And then someone tried to play the smart one, as usual. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

As for knowing the ratio between both types of tokens... well I suppose I could keep a track of mines on roughly 1000 tokens. I really can't give an estimation to this, I never paid much attention to how many of each I get everyday.

there was a log on the old thread. i'll try to retrieve it...

[edit]: seems sigo8 knows something about it: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4998877

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Jan 16 2018, 23:23