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What? I mean i allways talk about ethereal is overrated. But here you are wrong. Because two identical weapons, one ethereal and the other elemental, bot fully IWed and with the same elemental strike. Have the same damage. The only difference between those two would be lack of burden and interference.

I think he means getting an unwanted strike, like fire.

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Okay, lets say we have a peerl holy rapier and a peerl ethereal rapier. Now we IW them both and the ethereal rapier gets holy strike. And you know what the difference is between those two when IW is completly identical and they have the same upgrades?

Lack of burden and intereference by the ethereal rapier. Nothing else. They have excacly the same damage. Not difference at all. None. Same Damage. No difference in damage.

Nobody buy Trophy in WTB now.
Maybe I should use it myself.
What should i choose equipment for more credits.

Okay, lets say we have a peerl holy rapier and a peerl ethereal rapier. Now we IW them both and the ethereal rapier gets holy strike. And you know what the difference is between those two when IW is completly identical and they have the same upgrades?

Lack of burden and intereference by the ethereal rapier. Nothing else. They have excacly the same damage. Not difference at all. None. Same Damage. No difference in damage.

You kept saying that, I'm not saying you're wrong, but it does not help my understanding at all :/

It's Ask the experts, I'm asking lol, it's obvious that I don't know how it works and wanting to find out why.

In your example, wouldn't the Elemental gets an extra Void Strike? Why are the damage equal?

You kept saying that, I'm not saying you're wrong, but it does not help my understanding at all :/

It's Ask the experts, I'm asking lol, it's obvious that I don't know how it works and wanting to find out why.

In your example, wouldn't the Elemental gets an extra Void Strike? Why are the damage equal?

which part if it you don't understand that in the end it's the same.
they both got void strike and elemental strike.
the void strike from IW is the same as the one from ethereal.
the elemental strike too.
what extra void strike?

I already list what each of them have here, and clearly you had read it.

Non IW Ethereal prefix
- void Normal Attack
- void strike

Elemental prefix
- piercing/slashing/crushing Normal Attack
- elemental strike

IW 10 Ethereal and Elemental prefix
- void Normal Attack
- void strike
- elemental strike


This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jan 20 2019, 19:17

Nobody buy Trophy in WTB now.
Maybe I should use it myself.
What should i choose equipment for more credits.

I would suggest you give patience and waiting for blackjac.

In your example, wouldn't the Elemental gets an extra Void Strike? Why are the damage equal?

Ethereal weapon has void strike at first and it get holy strike at IW10.(For this example)
Holy weapon has holy strike at first and it get void strike at IW10.
At the end they are the same.
Fudo's reply mentioned the detail.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Jan 20 2019, 19:26

I slipped the part where ethereal came with voidstrike by default.

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Just IWed this Sword sadly this is not a rapier. Can I keep it 'safely' for my 300's?

Just IWed this Sword sadly this is not a rapier. Can I keep it 'safely' for my 300's?

Holy+Void is a very good combo, but being two attribute and not three makes it not so good. It's just a mediocre sword without the dexterity attribute bonus IMO.

Which 2h weapon is often used by people?

the common recommendation to use an estoc over everything is a modestly informed guess because few people have used 2H extensively. based on my observations i can recommend the following:

longsword of slaughter with power armour - choose this if you want the highest damage output
estoc of slaughter with shade armour - choose this if curing less is more important to you than lower clear times
mace for any challenge where longsword or estoc leave you with too little defence - i still need to run test to determine the ideal suffix on a mace, slaughter is a solid choice, but due to its peculiarities i cannot yet outrule balance as a valid contender

I would suggest you give patience and waiting for blackjac.
Ethereal weapon has void strike at first and it get holy strike at IW10.(For this example)
Holy weapon has holy strike at first and it get void strike at IW10.
At the end they are the same.
Fudo's reply mentioned the detail.

He did not respond over one month and got warning. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

This post has been edited by kikikaki: Jan 21 2019, 03:44

I have some confusion about strikes.

Does the number of strikes affect the total damage, ignoring mitigations?

Wouldn an IW 9 void weapon be maximizing damage, since that high-level monsters have high mitigations against other elements but no mitigation against void damage?

I would suggest you give patience and waiting for blackjac.

Another rich player is buying, but the price is too low I decide to wait for a few days and see if blackjac competes

Nobody buy Trophy in WTB now.
Maybe I should use it myself.
What should i choose equipment for more credits.

treesloth is buying trophies for a limited time. The prices are lower than blackjac00's, but payment has been quick so far.

I have some confusion about strikes.

Does the number of strikes affect the total damage, ignoring mitigations?

Wouldn an IW 9 void weapon be maximizing damage, since that high-level monsters have high mitigations against other elements but no mitigation against void damage?

I don't know if I am exactly correct but as my observation, damage for elemental strike and void strike is calculated by a multiplier to your normal attack and then it will be reduced by specific mitigation.

So the damage of void strike should be greater than any elemental strikes generally.
Having void strike + extra elemental strikes for your weapon is always better than having void strike only.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Jan 21 2019, 04:21

I don't know if I am exactly correct but as I know, damage for elemental strike and void strike is calculated by a multiplier to your normal attack and then it will be reduced by specific mitigation.

So the damage of void strike should be greater than any elemental strikes generally.
Having void strike + extra elemental strikes for your weapon is always better than having void strike only.

Nah
I mean if the extra strikes give you extra damage, ignoring mitigations.

If the total average damage of strikes is fixed in respect to attack damage, then void strike only would be the best. Because the fixed strike damage is only distributed to different strikes.

If every extra strike brings more damage, in addition to the original strike, then 3 strikes would always be the best.

I assume it's the latter. Just to make sure

Nah
I mean if the extra strikes give you extra damage, ignoring mitigations.

If the total average damage of strikes is fixed in respect to attack damage, then void strike only would be the best. Because the fixed strike damage is only distributed to different strikes.

If every extra strike brings more damage, in addition to the original strike, then 3 strikes would always be the best.

I assume it's the latter. Just to make sure

I get your point.
The latter case is right.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Jan 21 2019, 04:44

Just to make it visual. This is a single attack with an fully IWed holy weapon.
Void Strike hits Angry Road Shoe for 2407 void damage.
Holy Strike hits Angry Road Shoe for 1384 holy damage.
You crit Angry Road Shoe for 9490 void damage.

Two strikes hit and the normal attack. And now the same weapon with an infusion of darkness.
Void Strike hits Where Is My Barrier Buckler for 8298 void damage.
Dark Strike hits Where Is My Barrier Buckler for 4003 dark damage.
Holy Strike hits Where Is My Barrier Buckler for 1934 holy damage.
You hit Where Is My Barrier Buckler for 15306 void damage.

Anymore questions?

apparently riddlemasters become more frequent as you keep failing them... has anyone tried to game the system by deliberately failing riddles before starting record time attempts to maximise their blessings?

apparently riddlemasters become more frequent as you keep failing them... has anyone tried to game the system by deliberately failing riddles before starting record time attempts to maximise their blessings?

no, but it did happen once that I clicked the wrong pony at the start of a PFFEST, and yes that comes in handy. But be careful, the riddlemaster is a measure against botting. I would not recommend making mistakes on purpose, because if you make too many mistakes, who know what will happen? You might lose your account?

the common recommendation to use an estoc over everything is a modestly informed guess because few people have used 2H extensively. based on my observations i can recommend the following:

longsword of slaughter with power armour - choose this if you want the highest damage output
estoc of slaughter with shade armour - choose this if curing less is more important to you than lower clear times
mace for any challenge where longsword or estoc leave you with too little defence - i still need to run test to determine the ideal suffix on a mace, slaughter is a solid choice, but due to its peculiarities i cannot yet outrule balance as a valid contender

I second this.

One small detail: 2H weapons have lower accuracy (except katanas) than 1H, so it's much less easy to reach 200% accuracy with a Slaughter weapon. It could be advisable to opt for a Balance weapon, especially when it comes to estocs that suffer from this the most. I'm not even sure if I'll be able to reach 200% with my Peerless Longsword fully forged.