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Does IW10 weapons have 2 strikes regardless or only if it came with a prefix?

You only get one strike as 10th Potency. When the weapon is ethereal it will get a random elemental strike, if not it will be hollowforged and get void strike.

Also, does this mean rapiers and estoc penetration effect isn't needed, since you'd get void damage anyway?

And what has the penetrated armor debuff from rapier or estoc to do with void damage? Nothing, right? Yeah, absolutly nothing.

Does IW10 weapons have 2 strikes regardless or only if it came with a prefix?

The wiki seems to suggest that it would strike twice, but it doesn't make sense for a non-prefix to gain a second strike (damage changed to void, but no elemental strike).

Also, does this mean rapiers and estoc penetration effect isn't needed, since you'd get void damage anyway?

IW10 weapon without prefix = void strike
IW10 weapon with prefix = void strike + 1 elemental strike

Physical mitigation and specific mitigation are different things.
Monsters have 0 specific mitigation to void damage but they still have physical mitigation.
Your attack is a composite of physical and void attack, so penetrated armor works.

Also, does this mean rapiers and estoc penetration effect isn't needed, since you'd get void damage anyway?

void =/= bypass defense
void simply have no "specific mitigation"
it's like your fire spell need to bypass monster's magical mitigation even if it have 0 fire resistance.



This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jan 20 2019, 17:33

You only get one strike as 10th Potency. When the weapon is ethereal it will get a random elemental strike, if not it will be hollowforged and get void strike.

I'm still a bit confused. Ethereal is straightforward, but elemental/no prefix is what confuses me. Here's how I see it:

Elemental weapons:
+ Normal attack -> Void strike
+ Elemental Strike
- TOTAL : 2 strikes

No prefix:
+ Normal attack -> Void strike (?)
- TOTAL : ? strike(s)

The wiki (and your answer) seems to imply that no prefix also get 2 strikes, but I can't see where it's coming from.

elemental strike =/= normal attack

Ethereal :
- normal attack (void)
- void strike

Ethereal IW 10
- normal attack (void)
- void strike
- elemental strike

elemental prefix
- normal attack (Crushing/slashing/piercing)
- elemental strike

elemental prefix IW10
- normal attack (void)
- elemental strike
- void strike

no prefix
- normal attack (crushing/slashing/piercing)

no prefix iw 10
- normal attack (void)
- void strike

how they look on battle could be seen on the post before yours.
and not everything on wiki are correct or worded correctly.
if you find anything wrong or don't make sense report them to the EHWiki Report Thread.

This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jan 20 2019, 17:44

Thanks, that triple 10:29 reply though lol

Didn't even noticed your reply was there until now.

The wiki (and your answer) seems to imply that no prefix also get 2 strikes, but I can't see where it's coming from.

No, i dont. I say every ethereal weapon gets a random elemental strike and all non ethereal weapon will get a voidstrike. I dont even understand where you can read there two strikes for non ethereal weapons. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Which 2h weapon is often used by people?

Which 2h weapon is often used by people?

Meta says Estoc of Slaughter.

Personally I think other choices may be good too.

PS. I like Longswords (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by mundomuñeca: Jan 20 2019, 18:02

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In addition, every weapon can have void strike + 2 elemental strike at most.
Under this condition, whenever you hit a monster you will get 4 damages,
they are:
normal attack
void strike
elemental strike 1
elemental strike 2

No, i dont. I say every ethereal weapon gets a random elemental strike and all non ethereal weapon will get a voidstrike. I dont even understand where you can read there two strikes for non ethereal weapons. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I count the normal attack as one separated attack, and since the damage conversion and void strike goes hand in hand, it gets... confusing. It would also means that elemental weapon gets 3 separated attack in 1 hit, which... is not specifically mentioned anywhere.

Also, this would implies that Ethereal gets a much smaller power spike comparing to other weapons, which I didn't expect. It didn't benefit from the void conversion, and it gets a weaker elemental strike.

I count the normal attack as one separated attack,

And you are right with that, but it is no strike.

and since the damage conversion and void strike goes hand in hand, it gets... confusing.

Okay, now i got it what confuse you.

It would also means that elemental weapon gets 3 separated attack in 1 hit, which... is not specifically mentioned anywhere.

Actually you can even have 4 seperate attacks in one hit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif) The normal attack, the elemental strike, void strike and to all this you can add with an infusion another elemental strike.

Also, this would implies that Ethereal gets a much smaller power spike comparing to other weapons, which I didn't expect. It didn't benefit from the void conversion, and it gets a weaker elemental strike.

What? I mean i allways talk about ethereal is overrated. But here you are wrong. Because two identical weapons, one ethereal and the other elemental, bot fully IWed and with the same elemental strike. Have the same damage. The only difference between those two would be lack of burden and interference.

What? I mean i allways talk about ethereal is overrated. But here you are wrong. Because two identical weapons, one ethereal and the other elemental, bot fully IWed and with the same elemental strike. Have the same damage. The only difference between those two would be lack of burden and interference.

I'm under the impression that it's a trade off between damage and burden/interference?

Assuming the only difference between the two is Ethereal and Elemental:

+ Basic attack is both void, same value
+ IW10 void strike Vs IW10 Elemental strike (which I assume is 50%, I've read that number somewhere, wiki does not really clarify this bit of info)
+ Extra elemental strike vs Nothing

Wouldn't that mean elemental variant end up with ~20-30% more damage?

What? I mean i allways talk about ethereal is overrated. But here you are wrong. Because two identical weapons, one ethereal and the other elemental, bot fully IWed and with the same elemental strike. Have the same damage. The only difference between those two would be lack of burden and interference.

I think he means getting an unwanted strike, like fire.

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Okay, lets say we have a peerl holy rapier and a peerl ethereal rapier. Now we IW them both and the ethereal rapier gets holy strike. And you know what the difference is between those two when IW is completly identical and they have the same upgrades?

Lack of burden and intereference by the ethereal rapier. Nothing else. They have excacly the same damage. Not difference at all. None. Same Damage. No difference in damage.

Nobody buy Trophy in WTB now.
Maybe I should use it myself.
What should i choose equipment for more credits.

Okay, lets say we have a peerl holy rapier and a peerl ethereal rapier. Now we IW them both and the ethereal rapier gets holy strike. And you know what the difference is between those two when IW is completly identical and they have the same upgrades?

Lack of burden and intereference by the ethereal rapier. Nothing else. They have excacly the same damage. Not difference at all. None. Same Damage. No difference in damage.

You kept saying that, I'm not saying you're wrong, but it does not help my understanding at all :/

It's Ask the experts, I'm asking lol, it's obvious that I don't know how it works and wanting to find out why.

In your example, wouldn't the Elemental gets an extra Void Strike? Why are the damage equal?

You kept saying that, I'm not saying you're wrong, but it does not help my understanding at all :/

It's Ask the experts, I'm asking lol, it's obvious that I don't know how it works and wanting to find out why.

In your example, wouldn't the Elemental gets an extra Void Strike? Why are the damage equal?

which part if it you don't understand that in the end it's the same.
they both got void strike and elemental strike.
the void strike from IW is the same as the one from ethereal.
the elemental strike too.
what extra void strike?

I already list what each of them have here, and clearly you had read it.

Non IW Ethereal prefix
- void Normal Attack
- void strike

Elemental prefix
- piercing/slashing/crushing Normal Attack
- elemental strike

IW 10 Ethereal and Elemental prefix
- void Normal Attack
- void strike
- elemental strike


This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jan 20 2019, 19:17

Nobody buy Trophy in WTB now.
Maybe I should use it myself.
What should i choose equipment for more credits.

I would suggest you give patience and waiting for blackjac.

In your example, wouldn't the Elemental gets an extra Void Strike? Why are the damage equal?

Ethereal weapon has void strike at first and it get holy strike at IW10.(For this example)
Holy weapon has holy strike at first and it get void strike at IW10.
At the end they are the same.
Fudo's reply mentioned the detail.

This post has been edited by qr12345: Jan 20 2019, 19:26

I slipped the part where ethereal came with voidstrike by default.

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