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This Magnificent Hallowed Shortsword of Slaughter worthy of soulfuse or possible forge? I'm pretty satisfied by my IW Run.

What are you trying to do, dual wield or 1H?

What are you trying to do, dual wield or 1H?

1H With Magnificent Force Shield of Stoneskin

Light armor.

Firstly, your sword doesn't have STR+DEX+AGI, which makes it suboptimal for use. There are free forging services in the WTS section if you want to forge items to 10 and get Void damage. The optimal strategy is 1H with Rapier and Heavy Power Armor of Slaughter/Protection/Warding. Rapier has Armor reduction ability, which is more handy than bleed and makes up for damage. You can certainly soulforge and continue using your shortsword if you can't find a Mag/Leg Rapier that you can soulforge.

Firstly, your sword doesn't have STR+DEX+AGI, which makes it suboptimal for use. There are free forging services in the WTS section if you want to forge items to 10 and get Void damage. The optimal strategy is 1H with Rapier and Heavy Power Armor of Slaughter/Protection/Warding. Rapier has Armor reduction ability, which is more handy than bleed and makes up for damage. You can certainly soulforge and continue using your shortsword if you can't find a Mag/Leg Rapier that you can soulforge.

It's near certain to change for 1h/Heavy later in the game but is good to know I can Forge it since I doubt that I'll find a optimal in WTS(That I can buy at least) or Self-Drop, I didn't find more than 2 Mag in the time I played so far.

This post has been edited by ~Shyboy: Jan 20 2019, 03:00

Uhhh, by forge, I hope you mean just forging it to 5. You can soulforge if you go past 50 levels without getting anything good. Also, the low damage of Rapiers is cancelled out by the Armor Penetration. Consider snagging a Legendary Rapier of Slaughter for 50k if you can from auctions if it is low leveled enough. You can sell trophies in the WTG section for credits, I sold all of my Xmas trophies there.

Frankly, what I did for 50 to 200 was run around with with an Estoc and Light armor before changing to 1H with this piece of junk.

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/37916942/4de9b4bce4

Now I'm using this crap: https://hentaiverse.org/equip/17643485/d6f0a2a0e5

If I can level up one more time though, I'll finally be able to use my Legendary Slaughter.

-snip-

Rapier+power armor+force shield, is, NOT, the only "optimal" way of playing 1H. Stop telling others what they should play, especially when you obviously know nothing regarding other equipment types/playstyles. And even worse, when you don't even know what the player wants to do / have as results.

If he wants to play "one hand" (with the other hand you know where) and he can afford breaking the piggy bank, then yes the braindead rapier+force+power is probably the way to go... at higher levels. If one wants to have rock solid defense without sacrificing ADB (because yes, rapiers have a low ADB and low STR), or to avoid outrageous mana consumption, then it is a no no.

Need to survive and you'll be healing a lot? Go for Waki of the Nimble, Buckler of Barrier, Shielding Plate.

If anything, I'd even go so far as to say that telling lower level players to go rapier+force+power is a very, very bad advice. Mostly because it's very expensive, you can't upgrade the force shield and the power parts without wasting hrare materials, it doesn't provide sufficient defense and the interference is too high for them to handle. At least have the decency to suggest a panel of possibilities, with each having its pros and cons.

You're right about rapier+force+power not being the optimal way. I didn't use Force Shields until 270 because of the interference.

I guess I'll talk about my somewhat limited experience first then. I actually used Shielding plate for 1H early on.

I'm not sure about Shielding plate since it never seemed to add much block chance or survivability for me, but then I was at 200 and mostly played using Superior Shielding before transferring to cheap Superior Power Warding around the 220s, which I found was better and compensated the lack of upgrades with ADB. I found that playing with Shielding was a lot harder than playing with the Power armor because it took much longer to kill monsters. I took a lot more magic attacks and died due to that (come to think of it, it might have been the magic defense that helped me more). I never really noticed a difference between pot usage because the Shielding I bought had Interference that was comparable to Power Armors. And yeah, I didn't bother forging anything except my weapons because it was expensive.

...I'm guessing the problem was pre-0.82 Superior, rather than than Shielding. Which I thought carried over here since I didn't read the wiki on shielding until just now and thought Shielding had the same interference as Power Armors. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) I got to 260 before 0.82 and stuck to playing Hard or Nightmare. I don't think that was overdoing the expected difficulty level.



Well, let's get back to something more relevant.

I'm not sure about difficulty level Shyboy plays at, but since Wakis have less ADB, it runs into the same problem as above of taking too long to kill on higher difficulty levels and Parry doesn't do magic attacks. If he wants to go to the Shielding route, some pieces should be Protection and some pieces Warding. It might be better for him to stick with shortswords until hitting 200 proficiency to maximize counter attacks which can be parried. 1H also has the problem that Spirit Shield is not really good until 265 for taking hits. I don't recall at which levels do PL500 monsters show up.

I still don't really think Interference can be mitigated by using plate over power, since killing faster means less spell usage but that's not really relevant since Shy is using Light armor for now. A better solution would be to train Packrat.

Personally, if I had to make the trail to 250 again, I'd use 2H longword, or mace with leather and maybe one piece of Shade while playing on Hard mode before switching over to 1H. My original build was Estoc and all Shade, which had me dying too quickly.

This post has been edited by RibbonsCan: Jan 20 2019, 06:48

I think maybe the issue is that the current meta assumes people are playing on PFUDOR, but we can't assume that.

I switched from Niten to 1H/Light because I had to. My survivability sucked with Niten after around 220. But I was lucky that I got a Mag Force Shield of Warding as a drop, which made the switch easier. I personally run a combo of Legendary leathers and Shade with 3 Innate Arcanas and play on Nintendo/IWBTH and I get defeated maybe once every 3-4 months.

Switching from Niten to 1H/Light I intentionally chose to focus more on survivability and less on fast clearing speed. It isn't "meta" but who cares? It works for me.

Well, if you had a problem with your Niten build you could other things but change to 1H. You could start use feather weight shards, btw something i am quite sure you could buy in WTB for 11c so i recommend at least trying to buy them cheap there before one actually buy them for the sick price of 90c. Or something people do forget so often about on early level. Just forge your equipment, it really does make a big difference. And i did play 1H light myself and it is imo the worst possible combination one can even play with. And survivability is a problem? Really? You are still in easy mode of the game, something i never had. The game as you play it right now, is easier as it ever was or ever will be, for me and a lot of other people. And overall you not reduce your cleartime, you reduce at the same time your income by quite a bit. Even if you have time to play lets just say 4 hours the day, it makes a difference if you do in those four all arenas, or only half of it. I mean we are talking about at least a few k every day just by credit drops, together with all the other drops we can talk about even more. Reducing your income means, it takes you longer to train all those drop trainings, therefore also reduce your income even more. Playing 1H light is really nothing but a bad decision and should only used until one has a full power armor so he doesnt have to play without armor bonus. Because those bonuses from the abilities are only active when you use a full set of that armor, even an empty equipment slot does deactivate them.

I'm doing 2H playstyle, and since my armor feels like it's getting obsolete (I leveled 50+ level the past few days, and since my level is low, the curve is massive, as the game follows a linear scaling and not exponential)

I want to push towards PFUDOR RE, but since my playstyle relies heavily on ramp-up, building up overcharge to use RB/SS. Keeping my health above the 1-shot threshold can get difficult, and I can't get any hits in to build OC before all consumables goes on CD, out of mana and spirit for Spark.

Should I consider switching/adding a 1H build to handle the issue, or is it because my armor is too obsolete?

And should I be worried to keep my Stamina above 80 (since wiki implies it doubles consumption and exp gain) or should I spend it to do all arena daily?

Would you suggest doing higher level arenas only at a higher difficulty, or do all at lower? I'm doing Hell Arena atm, could probably push it up to Nintendo, but I don't want to spend hours to do it all.



This post has been edited by ihatenamingthings: Jan 20 2019, 08:44

I'm doing 2H playstyle, and since my armor feels like it's getting obsolete (I leveled 50+ level the past few days, and since my level is low, the curve is massive, as the game follows a linear scaling and not exponential)

Level 173. So i assume you have allready outlevel your equipment? Superior i guess? Do you people even know that when i was his level all those years ago, i couldnt even play IWBTH and PFUDOR itself was nothing but a spark in 10bos eyes.

I want to push towards PFUDOR RE, but since my playstyle relies heavily on ramp-up, building up overcharge to use RB/SS. Keeping my health above the 1-shot threshold can get difficult, and I can't get any hits in to build OC before all consumables goes on CD, out of mana and spirit for Spark.

I would say PFUDOR RE is still too much for you. Reduce them to IWBTH, the difference isnt that big.

Should I consider switching/adding a 1H build to handle the issue, or is it because my armor is too obsolete?

I dont know, i cant see your armor. And of course you can switch to 1H, i would not recommend it to use two sets at the same time, that is something for later. But the more important question is. Do you acutally want to switch to 1H?

And should I be worried to keep my Stamina above 80 (since wiki implies it doubles consumption and exp gain) or should I spend it to do all arena daily?

Well, that is an interesting question. Stamina above 80 does not just give you more exp. It also uses more stamina. While above 80 stamina 1 stamina cost 25 rounds, below 80 stamina you get actually 50 rounds out of a single stamina point, but of course you loose the exp bonus. So the questions is what you want yourself? More exp, or more for stamina?

Would you suggest doing higher level arenas only at a higher difficulty, or do all at lower? I'm doing Hell Arena atm, could probably push it up to Nintendo, but I don't want to spend hours to do it all.

When you are doing fine on Nintendo, i would say stay on Nintendo. You will be ready for IWBTH and PFUDOR soon enough. Dont force yourself to play on a difficulty it is just not pleasant to play at.

I'd say it's a question of time consumption, there's a lot to kill, and Real life isn't just a boss (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I'll stay at IWBTH RE then. Mostly I want to power level while still making sure I'm not burdening myself with being too weak for my level. IWBTH can still kill me if I get a bad roll (getting sparked every other turns), which feels... bad.

Regarding stamina, it's because I can't decide if I want to do arena for the (tiny) amount of credit and trophy/token/gear, which burns lots of Stamina (and thus making sub 80 more ideal), but RE is better with high stamina. I want to power level (thus RE with 80+), but I don't wanna miss the daily arena trophy/token drops if it's important later on.

Speaking of which, I'm assuming I should save up blood tokens until I can reliably clear RoB boss at PFUDOR?

I'll stay at IWBTH RE then. Mostly I want to power level while still making sure I'm not burdening myself with being too weak for my level. IWBTH can still kill me if I get a bad roll (getting sparked every other turns), which feels... bad.

Tbh, i dont even use SoL, but i am a rare species when it comes to that. But dont worry, soon enough PFUDOR RE will be nothing special to. Btw it could help you to use feather weight shards, so just in case you dont allready do that, you could try how it is with them.

Regarding stamina, it's because I can't decide if I want to do arena for the (tiny) amount of credit and trophy/token/gear, which burns lots of Stamina (and thus making sub 80 more ideal), but RE is better with high stamina. I want to power level (thus RE with 80+), but I don't wanna miss the daily arena trophy/token drops if it's important later on.

Well, i cant help you make this decision, that is something only you can decide for you. At least you can now decide, i didt know about the double stamina usage above 80 until i was allready in the last few level.

Speaking of which, I'm assuming I should save up blood tokens until I can reliably clear RoB boss at PFUDOR?

I wouldnt say that, iirc i didnt got even a single good from the RoB ever, so i would actually say, when you have the tokens and you want those trophies, do them.

I don't think Triple Trio gives anything good. Kill it once on Normal, then save your tokens for spaghetti.

You don't need to save tokens for pfudor runs, kill bosses on any level of difficulty snd then sell the trophy.

You don't need to save tokens for pfudor runs, kill bosses on any level of difficulty snd then sell the trophy.

When one plays enough those tokens pile up anyway. You have 73 tokens of blood. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

It's more on your opinion if Arena is worth it, and at which difficulty. Arena is the main reason why I don't like switching to 1H: clearing a few hundreds of rounds per day with 1H takes too much time. Which is dictated a lot by the economy, and I'm absolutely clueless about that.

Tbh, i dont even use SoL

Tfw you too strong to trigger SoL at all

This post has been edited by ihatenamingthings: Jan 20 2019, 10:42

Hi guys, newbie and first time posting in this section. I seek your wisdom, thank you in advance.

About me: Axe/Shield with heavy armor lvl 156.
My stuff is either superior or exquisite within a range of lvl 101 and 151.

I'm thinking of buying a "Legendary Rapier of Slaughter" and soulbinding that. Is this a good idea or should I focus on something else?

I've seen on player's shop some stats I don't understand and I didn't find anything on the wiki, [id/link] Name of item (level, ADB, Parry), It's the ADB part I don't really understand along with the Parry rate since the parry chance doesn't look the same on the item?

Thank you again, don't hesitate to ask for more info if needed.


This post has been edited by sabertooth39: Jan 20 2019, 11:07

Tfw you too strong to trigger SoL at all

Yeah? Tell that those last 300 rounds of PFUDOR Fest who all the time really hard try to kill me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Hi guys, newbie and first time posting in this section.

Welcome. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

About me: Axe/Shield with heavy armor lvl 156.

Axe is no good at your level. You really should switch it with something with parry.

I'm thinking of buying a "Legendary Rapier of Slaughter" and soulbinding that. Is this a good idea or should I focus on something else?

At your level? Hm, not impossibleaux, but it will take a while. I mean you are Level 156, and you only can soulfuse equipment that is not more than 100 level above you. So, yeah, i would recommend you go for a Mag rapier first.

I've seen on player's shop some stats I don't understand and I didn't find anything on the wiki, [id/link] Name of item (level, ADB, Parry), It's the ADB part I don't really understand along with the Parry rate since the parry chance doesn't look the same on the item?

You cant find anything about that in the wiki? Did you even search? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Acronyms
ADB = Attack Damage Bonus
And about the parry all that is represented in percentages, based on the min max base stats of that item. So a Legendary rapier with parry 90% is better than one with parry 50%. I mean the numbers you see when you just look at your equipment are allready based on the level of that item. But when you hoover your mouse cursor above them you seee the base stats.

Btw, just to be sure, you know that your equipment need repairs?

It's more on your opinion if Arena is worth it, and at which difficulty. Arena is the main reason why I don't like switching to 1H: clearing a few hundreds of rounds per day with 1H takes too much time. Which is dictated a lot by the economy, and I'm absolutely clueless about that.

Tfw you too strong to trigger SoL at all

uncle stu is not too strong, it's just that while other people wears simple middle-ages protective armor, he's wearing a portable nuclear bunker.

Hi guys, newbie and first time posting in this section. I seek your wisdom, thank you in advance.

About me: Axe/Shield with heavy armor lvl 156.
My stuff is either superior or exquisite within a range of lvl 101 and 151.

I'm thinking of buying a "Legendary Rapier of Slaughter" and soulbinding that. Is this a good idea or should I focus on something else?

I've seen on player's shop some stats I don't understand and I didn't find anything on the wiki, [id/link] Name of item (level, ADB, Parry), It's the ADB part I don't really understand along with the Parry rate since the parry chance doesn't look the same on the item?

Thank you again, don't hesitate to ask for more info if needed.

most legendary rapier of slaughter is good, just consider the price it's actual stats and cost to soulfuse it, don't splurge it on one equip that you'll ended up not having any for your other slot. also not every legendaries are better than magnificient, refer to ranges and my explanation below.

the (lvl adb% parry%) is it's stats compared to the said quality ranges.
for example if a legendary equip have parry stats, and it's base minimum is 10% and maximum at 15%, then if it's base parry is 12.5% it would be labeled as 50% parry on most auction/wts.

most magnificent have higher maximum stats than it's legendary variant minimum stats so you might find magnificent with higher useful stats than a low-roll legendaries, and legendaries that it's useful stats actually fall on magnificent quality.
for example this rapier while is a magnificent could be considered as a low-roll legendary with 17% ADB and 22% parry range.