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post Jan 6 2019, 00:01
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QUOTE(a-f @ Jan 5 2019, 22:50) *

Hi I have a quick question.
Do you know which area gives token? like chaos and blood token.
I remember few arenas always gives token on their last round but I can't remember them.

+ I'm lv 334 melee, one hand shield melee, not sure how to level up from here. Usually do the arena with hell or nintendo difficulty.
how can I earn more credits?

More credits? Well, play more. Especially the Schoolgirl arenas are profitable. For leveling up, and getting better equipment drops, you need to increase your difficulty. At your level, random encounters at Pfudor, and probably all arenas as well except schoolgirls. Play as high difficulty as you can.

Tokens drop in all arena's. Not guaranteed, but often.
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post Jan 6 2019, 00:06
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jan 5 2019, 23:01) *

Tokens drop in all arena's. Not guaranteed, but often.

DwD has a guaranteed drop. Or at least i cant remember clearing a DwD without token. Damned the more i think about it the more i am unsure about this. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Jan 6 2019, 00:08
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Can anyone tell me how to use Jenga's hvlist?(https://hvlist.niblseed.com/)
I selected class option and searched but nothing appeared
I want to know each classes' ratio

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post Jan 6 2019, 00:08
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Hardcasting your buff spells (Protection, Spark, etc) is for the purposes of triggering Channeling which is used for free Heartseeker and Regen. Also remember the Channel version lasts 50% longer so it's really an advantage if you receive it by luck.

Remember some high-level players like Basara Nekki doesn't even have Innate Arcana. And I was the same until very recently, because I did not think IA helps much. And after I bought IA4 (all at one time) I am almost never using it because I still prefer to gamble for Channeling.

However after I get two Channelings, I can start to use my IA4 and get some slight MP savings.
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post Jan 6 2019, 00:16
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Hi,

I'm just wondering if there is a database of the lotteries. It took me some time to go through every single page of the weapon lottery just to find exact matchs of today's drawing (there were only 2).

Some interesting things I found (there are so many so I just listed a few that I remember):
There are 6 PHOH exists.
The biggest pot is 2460k, second biggest pot is 1663k, and the smallest pot is 1.9k (weapon lottery).
There is one exquisite estoc in the early lotteries.
The biggest pot in which the prize is no longer available is 817k.
Only 5 pots went over 1000k tickets.
There is no shield in the first 2/3 of the weapon lottery.
There are only 25 force shields in the history of the weapon lottery.

Y'all probably already know these but it's the first time I go through every weapon lottery pages...

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post Jan 6 2019, 00:17
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QUOTE(Paruri @ Jan 5 2019, 23:08) *

Can anyone tell me how to use Jenga's hvlist?(https://hvlist.niblseed.com/)
I selected class option and searched but nothing appeared
I want to know each classes' ratio

Hm, just checked. Yeah, class search doesnt seem to work. Neither for Undead nor for Celestial. *sigh* I can believe i actually say this. But i guess the best is you wait for decondelite to read your post. Because he is the one who takes the whole database over, this could have something to do with the changes.

QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Jan 5 2019, 23:08) *

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So just for channeling? I mean i allways cast regen, hope for channeling when no channeling i just fight until enough overcharge to activate stance and cast hearseeker. Most of the time i get channeling at least after casting heartseeker. So you would actually save mana by casting the other spells. Hm. I am using IA now for such a long time i never actually thought about something like that to save mana. For me it was allways enough at least to wait for the save from the stance.
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post Jan 6 2019, 00:21
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QUOTE(Paruri @ Jan 5 2019, 23:08) *

Can anyone tell me how to use Jenga's hvlist?(https://hvlist.niblseed.com/)
I selected class option and searched but nothing appeared
I want to know each classes' ratio


set 'hide stale monsters' to 'no'
select by 'class', order by 'class',
Submit.


QUOTE(mouisaac @ Jan 5 2019, 23:16) *

Hi,

I'm just wondering if there is a database of the lotteries. It took me some time to go through every single page of the weapon lottery just to find exact matchs of today's drawing (there were only 2).

Some interesting things I found (there are so many so I just listed a few that I remember):
There are 6 PHOH exists.
The biggest pot is 2460k, second biggest pot is 1663k, and the smallest pot is 1.9k (weapon lottery).
There is one exquisite estoc in the early lotteries.
The biggest pot in which the prize is no longer available is 817k.
Only 5 pots went over 1000k tickets.
There is no shield in the first 2/3 of the weapon lottery.
There are only 25 force shields in the history of the weapon lottery.

Y'all probably already know these but it's the first time I go through every weapon lottery pages...


No database. Shields were added recently (last year somewhere? or is it longer ago?) so that's why so little shields. We requested it, we got it.
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post Jan 6 2019, 00:29
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jan 6 2019, 07:21) *

set 'hide stale monsters' to 'no'
select by 'class', order by 'class',
Submit.

Thanks but I want specific class's data (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Jan 6 2019, 00:31
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jan 5 2019, 23:21) *

set 'hide stale monsters' to 'no'
select by 'class', order by 'class',
Submit.

And this works for you? Because for me the list stays empty everytime i enter a class. Like this for arthropod.

[hvlist.niblseed.com] https://hvlist.niblseed.com/?selectby=class...&orderbyb=0
TOTAL COUNT: 0

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post Jan 6 2019, 00:44
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QUOTE(hopkar @ Jan 5 2019, 19:13) *

Is silence/sleep a standalone must have or should I combine it with weaken or other spells and not sacrifice them but spend some credits in Ability boost to get both?

if you can do arenas on IWBTH, you should be able to do PFUDOR TT&T with just weaken or even without it. using silence and sleep is just the maximum reduction on incoming damage you can get: keep all monsters but one asleep by casting sleep on them before it expires and silence the one you're attacking

QUOTE(Paruri @ Jan 5 2019, 23:08) *

Can anyone tell me how to use Jenga's hvlist?(https://hvlist.niblseed.com/)
I selected class option and searched but nothing appeared
I want to know each classes' ratio

the database search bundled with crunk juice lets you list all monsters of a certain class, by checking that class, clearing the "last scan" field and leaving all others blank
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post Jan 6 2019, 01:04
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Well you have Gold Star which is +50% MP/SP regeneration more than me, also you have much higher level which should be increasing your MP and SP supply. Did you buy Resplendent Regeneration and Effluent Ether?

What's your mana cost modifier?
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post Jan 6 2019, 01:05
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QUOTE(sickentide @ Jan 6 2019, 07:44) *

if you can do arenas on IWBTH, you should be able to do PFUDOR TT&T with just weaken or even without it. using silence and sleep is just the maximum reduction on incoming damage you can get: keep all monsters but one asleep by casting sleep on them before it expires and silence the one you're attacking
the database search bundled with crunk juice lets you list all monsters of a certain class, by checking that class, clearing the "last scan" field and leaving all others blank

Thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I installed the script but I don't know how to use the fuction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
Can you explain in detail?
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post Jan 6 2019, 01:09
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QUOTE(Paruri @ Jan 6 2019, 00:05) *

Can you explain in detail?

if you hover over the wiki link at the top, you get a link to the database search. click it and you get a set of search fields and checkboxes. leave everything blank (and clear the "last scan" field) except the class you want and click "search"
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post Jan 6 2019, 01:36
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QUOTE(mouisaac @ Jan 6 2019, 05:16) *

Hi,

I'm just wondering if there is a database of the lotteries. It took me some time to go through every single page of the weapon lottery just to find exact matchs of today's drawing (there were only 2).

Some interesting things I found (there are so many so I just listed a few that I remember):
There are 6 PHOH exists.
The biggest pot is 2460k, second biggest pot is 1663k, and the smallest pot is 1.9k (weapon lottery).
There is one exquisite estoc in the early lotteries.
The biggest pot in which the prize is no longer available is 817k.
Only 5 pots went over 1000k tickets.
There is no shield in the first 2/3 of the weapon lottery.
There are only 25 force shields in the history of the weapon lottery.

Y'all probably already know these but it's the first time I go through every weapon lottery pages...


there are no shield on lottery until 0.85 (around mid 2017), and it wasn't always peerless and untradeable (soulfused) like today until... i don't remember, sometime after the unlimited potion use? so 2015 maybe?

QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Jan 6 2019, 05:08) *

Hardcasting your buff spells (Protection, Spark, etc) is for the purposes of triggering Channeling which is used for free Heartseeker and Regen. Also remember the Channel version lasts 50% longer so it's really an advantage if you receive it by luck.

Remember some high-level players like Basara Nekki doesn't even have Innate Arcana. And I was the same until very recently, because I did not think IA helps much. And after I bought IA4 (all at one time) I am almost never using it because I still prefer to gamble for Channeling.

However after I get two Channelings, I can start to use my IA4 and get some slight MP savings.


that's some roundabout way to converse... a couple mana draught? or did it actually converse mana?
I mean casting protection+spark+haste+spirit shield (my IA) cost the same amount of casting heartseeker.
that's a pay up to roll the dice, you could try 4 times and you'll save whatever you haven't pay when succeed, else pay double scenario... that's a losing scenario, moreover since I found myself not in actual need of that +50% duration since I encounter more "I'll have channeling with no soon-to-run-out-buff to renew" condition than "I need to renew my heartseeker" condition.
I think it's better to cast the heartseeker and be done with it.
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post Jan 6 2019, 02:05
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QUOTE(hopkar @ Jan 5 2019, 21:39) *

Alright! Thanks!
Then maybe I do something wrong, because for me it seems that RE is more difficult then arena. The reason is that the arena always starts with just a handful monster so I can start my buff orgy (Protect, Shadow Veil, Regen, Spark of Life, and so on). If I face like 10 Monsters in RE I don't really have the time for that. So I keep it to the (in my opinion) necessary. Means I fight a hord without all buffs and without overcharge.

Are you using 1h? If not, consider having 1h build just for easy RE, even more so if you have OFC. Once you get a good block chance it feels like it's impossible to die. I had used weaken for it in the past, but it really becomes irrelevant fast when you get better gear. Another thing is autocast spells. Not having defensive spells on autocast makes you waste turns in the beginning on RE, which might be why you struggle.

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post Jan 6 2019, 02:25
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just wondering which ability you think better to add after this for 1H???
maybe Dark & Holy Imperil for SG arena???
or maybe Haste/Shadow Veil???
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post Jan 6 2019, 02:28
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Jan 6 2019, 01:25) *

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just wondering which ability you think better to add after this for 1H???
maybe Dark & Holy Imperil for SG arena???
or maybe Haste/Shadow Veil???

Do you use a dark or holy weapon, or do you use dark or holy infusions? Than go for it. But when you can play without the need of haste or SV, i would suggest leave it that way and just dont use them.
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post Jan 6 2019, 02:32
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jan 5 2019, 22:21) *
No database.

There IS a database for all equiments, including the lottery items.
Except... the HV API is failing to record the lottery items since 1-2 years, and the IRC bot is pestering me with that every 2 hours.
I gotta fix that tomorrow, if I can do it.

@BWS:
Casting all the IA spells in an attempt to trigger Channeling is inefficient. The purpose of IA is to save up mana on top of not worrying about the recasting. Just cast Regen and Heartseeker and call it a day. With a bit of luck Regen alone will trigger Channeling anyway. And save up the Channeling Gems to renew those two buffs. Problem solved.
I'd like to add that casting while in spirit stance greatly reduces the mana cost, but will also reduce the likelihood of triggering Channeling.
At worst, you can cast one of the IA buffs when a wild Channeling occurs and you still have plenty of turns left on Regen / Heartseeker. In which case I use it on Spirit Shield.

As for Haste / attack speed: the more attack speed you have, the less often your draughts and Regen will take effect. But at the same time your buffs will last longer. So overall, no attack speed does not help regenerating health / mana, it does the exact opposite.

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Do I really have to repeat for the umpteenth time what one has to do to reduce his mana consumption? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

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just wondering which ability you think better to add after this for 1H???
maybe Dark & Holy Imperil for SG arena???
or maybe Haste/Shadow Veil???

I recommend this setup:
(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/42OWMEql.png)
Let's skip all the abilities in the red bar, to explain the green bar.
Mandatory: Protection, Cure, Heartseeker, SoL, Spirit Shield, Better/Faster/Dark/Holy Imperil (Dark and Holy are needed during SG arenas, to deal extra damage to regular monsters, as your weapon will have Dark/Holy elemental strikes), Better Silence.
Useful, but not critical: Mind Control (to cast Sleep for very difficult challenges), Better/Faster Weaken, Better/Faster Drain, Haste and Shadow Veil (to help you survive if needed). All these ones are here to help when things become tough. I highly recommend using Silence before resorting to Weaken or Sleep. Using either Weaken or Sleep is to your taste. Personally I prefer Sleep because aslept monsters don't attack at all (but do tend to wake up violently because their bars still fill while aslept).
Gimmical: Better Absorb
No need to slot in the drain augment (pink area), that thing is utterly useless.

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just wondering which ability you think better to add after this for 1H???

Haste, if you die too often.

Silence is also a neat party trick, but slot that in if you reach a milestone for the other abilities you want and have spare points.
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Do you use a dark or holy weapon, or do you use dark or holy infusions? Than go for it. But when you can play without the need of haste or SV, i would suggest leave it that way and just dont use them.

yep, I use dark & holy infusion alternately just for SG arena...
outside of that I seldom use infusion of the day...
Dark & Holy Imperil affect SG even slightly right??? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

never use haste/SV recently...
when in dire situation like in later IW round I just bear with it and start chugging MP or SP pot...
(tough it more of hassle when I need to find it in skillbook as I don't keybind or set it on quickbar... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )
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