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Well, you have to pay one token for the chance to get one token. And all other arenas also just give you one token. So for getting chaos tokens, it is the only arena that makes actual sense for that.

Good question. And the answer is because IW are faster overall. Yeah, they get harder just as GF, but even a Peerl IW on PFUDOR dont even comes close to GF round 500. So in the end it is possible to make more rounds in the same time, while also you are able to do some RE between the RE. So if you are going for tokens, i suggest IW. If you go for crystals you go for GF. Even when of course IW gives you still more crystals as arena, because the rounds do fill much faster with more monster which is of course equal to overall more crystal drops. But of course because IW doesnt have the multiplier, nor the extra crystal drop of GF, you get of course less Crystals than GF.

Ya but but, at least when i used to do RoB regularly (haven't in a while) Konata was only a chance while say FSM was 100% token drop (at least i don't remember ever not getting a token) which is why I'm kinda intrested in the rates, i mean ya FSM is 5x more expensive but if Konata only has say 20% or less drop rate than FSM would be far better for token drops.

as for IW vs GF, I know i start to slow down around 30-40 rounds into legendary PFUDOR IW and around 60 I have to start being super careful not to accidentally misclick and kill myself. While being able to still RE is a benfit, what's stopping me from say doing 200 or so (pulling a number out of my ass) GF rounds then backing out before monsters get strong in order to clear a large amount of mobs in a short amount of time? Or would doing IW still net more mob kills in a shorter amount of time?

Ya but but, at least when i used to do RoB regularly (haven't in a while) Konata was only a chance while say FSM was 100% token drop

So you would prefer 100% to trade 5 blood tokens for 1 chaos token as the chance for trade 1 for 1? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Also nope, the chance isnt 100%. It is absolutly possible to make the FSM and dont get any token at all.

which is why I'm kinda intrested in the rates, i mean ya FSM is 5x more expensive but if Konata only has say 20% or less drop rate than FSM would be far better for token drops.

20% my guess is more like around 33%. And i have no idea about the drop rate for FSM, because in the end today alone i got around 20 tokens with just doing some IW after clearing all arenas alone, so RoB isnt what i would call a chaos token farm.

as for IW vs GF, I know i start to slow down around 30-40 rounds into legendary PFUDOR IW and around 60 I have to start being super careful not to accidentally misclick and kill myself. While being able to still RE is a benfit, what's stopping me from say doing 200 or so (pulling a number out of my ass) GF rounds then backing out before monsters get strong in order to clear a large amount of mobs in a short amount of time? Or would doing IW still net more mob kills in a shorter amount of time?

Well, first no one told you that you HAVE to do those IW on PFUDOR or with a legendary. If that is too much for you, feel free to do some Exq IW on nintendo. Iirc they should give you in the end more or less the same amount of chaos tokens in the end. I just do them on PFUDOR because i can and i still hope for some Leg drops. And tbh, i dont do GF because i just dont like to flee. It is just i dont want to give people who have allready more than enough credits another free monster gift with fleeing. So yeah, if you dont care about that and dont have a problem with fleeing, i guess you could just do the 200 round GF. Just remember, that in the end this would cost you more stamina. Yeah, you asked about when stamina doenst matter, but i want to point it out anyway, just to be sure.

So you would prefer 100% to trade 5 blood tokens for 1 chaos token as the chance for trade 1 for 1? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Also nope, the chance isnt 100%. It is absolutly possible to make the FSM and dont get any token at all.
20% my guess is more like around 33%. And i have no idea about the drop rate for FSM, because in the end today alone i got around 20 tokens with just doing some IW after clearing all arenas alone, so RoB isnt what i would call a chaos token farm.
Well, first no one told you that you HAVE to do those IW on PFUDOR or with a legendary. If that is too much for you, feel free to do some Exq IW on nintendo. Iirc they should give you in the end more or less the same amount of chaos tokens in the end. I just do them on PFUDOR because i can and i still hope for some Leg drops. And tbh, i dont do GF because i just dont like to flee. It is just i dont want to give people who have allready more than enough credits another free monster gift with fleeing. So yeah, if you dont care about that and dont have a problem with fleeing, i guess you could just do the 200 round GF. Just remember, that in the end this would cost you more stamina. Yeah, you asked about when stamina doenst matter, but i want to point it out anyway, just to be sure.

For the first sentence, if the rate for the chance at a 1:1 was low enough, absolutely, it makes more logical sense to me, however if you're saying the rate is around 33% then ya, ill start doing konata every day.

For the rest: that's really good info, probably going to do something along those lines then. Thank you very much for the responses!

For the first sentence, if the rate for the chance at a 1:1 was low enough, absolutely, it makes more logical sense to me, however if you're saying the rate is around 33% then ya, ill start doing konata every day.

33% is just me take a guess. I didnt keep track of it. So dont blame me when you will find out later the chance isnt 33% okay?

For the rest: that's really good info, probably going to do something along those lines then. Thank you very much for the responses!

You are welcome, i am allways glad when i can help. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Why Slaughter is better than Balance?

Same as increase damage. Why do everyone buy Slaughter? Balance is bad? Just want to know.

Balance is not so bad and some people still pay a decent amount for Balance power armor. Balance weapons perhaps get less than they deserve, at least for 1H style.

I did some rough math today. Balance gives about double, or +20% accuracy, which translates to 5% more damage on typical enemies who have ~20% evade (see Overpower discussion a few pages back). Balance also gives double, or +5% critical chance, which translates to roughly 2.5% more damage on a weak player. Therefore a Balance rapier is 7.5% more damage overall.

Slaughter gives about 12 more base ADB on a rapier (more on axes, less on wakizashi) which at level 300 is about +230 damage. That might be a 6% increase in overall attack damage, with regular armor.

However on 1H due to stuns and overwhelming strikes, balance accuracy is not as important for the same reason as Overpower, going down to maybe 1.5% more damage, depending on how you play. But that's still 4% more damage after adding critical. Kind of competitive with Slaughter. If you wear power armor both Rapier of Slaughter and Rapier of Balance will have less effect, I am not sure which would be stronger.

Another question, is ADB roll really much more important than accuracy/crit roll? Answer is yes, even on Balance, but only because the roll range for accuracy/crit is small...3% accuracy, 1% critical. So the roll range is 10x less meaningful than the roll range for ADB.

My math back then had various simplifications and mistakes, but still kind of roughly applies. I recommend reading the full discussion of old posts that responded to mine (click on the red arrow).

Why Slaughter is better than Balance?

Same as increase damage.
Why do everyone buy Slaughter?
Balance is bad?
Just want to know.
Thanks.

Simply because one can reach 200% accuracy on a weapon without it having the Balance suffix.
It's harder for 2H weapons (especially estocs) or Axes/Clubs, but still possible anyway.
The only noticeable advantage of a Balance weapon is its (way) higher crit chance. This is why I calculate (by hand) that stat for every Balance weapon in the auctions.

In practice, Balance weapons are better fit as offhand for the DW playstyle, as they're pretty much guaranteed to have 100% offhand strike chance and we don't really care for the offhand's ADB anyway.

Shortsword of Nimble can be a good choice for DW offhand, and I wonder if Shortsword of Slaughter as DW offhand could be more damaging than Shortsword of Balance?

Shortsword of Nimble/Slaughter maximum accuracy: about 41.55% (96% offhand strike)
Wakizashi of Nimble/Slaughter maximum accuracy: about 37.03% (93%~94% offhand strike)
Rapier of Nimble/Slaughter maximum accuracy: about 32.49% (91% offhand strike)

Shortsword of Nimble can be a good choice for DW offhand, and I wonder if Shortsword of Slaughter as DW offhand could be more damaging than Shortsword of Balance?

Shortsword of Nimble/Slaughter maximum accuracy: about 41.55% (96% offhand strike)
Wakizashi of Nimble/Slaughter maximum accuracy: about 37.03% (93%~94% offhand strike)
Rapier of Nimble/Slaughter maximum accuracy: about 32.49% (91% offhand strike)

Shortsword of Nimble doesn't exist. You have Slaughter, Balance and Swiftness for shortswords.

Question
What does "Void (has no effect on physical mitigation)" mean?
Is it saying void damage is in influenced by PMI or not?

It means that an attack being of the Void element doesnt cancel the fact that a Void attack is either of Physical or Magical nature, and that as such you still can mitigate a Physical Void attack with PMit and a Magical Void attack with MMit.

You really need to understand that Void is an element just like all other elements (Piercing, Slashing, Crushing, Fire, Cold, Wind, Elec, Holy, Dark) and that as such all players and monsters have specific mitigation against Void. Except that this specific mitigation will always be 0% for all players and monsters.

Sorry if this sounds rude or like, lecturing coming from a newbie, but why has this "Ask the experts" form been chosen to lump all questions together in one big thread? (Or rather, several big threads over the years..) Wouldn't it be easier for people to look up info on say, play styles like Mage, 2H, 1H, DW or Niten in a single thread on each style? As opposed to browsing hundreds if not thousands of pages to search for info on the topic you want?

Sorry if this sounds rude or like, lecturing coming from a newbie, but why has this "Ask the experts" form been chosen to lump all questions together in one big thread? (Or rather, several big threads over the years..) Wouldn't it be easier for people to look up info on say, play styles like Mage, 2H, 1H, DW or Niten in a single thread on each style? As opposed to browsing hundreds if not thousands of pages to search for info on the topic you want?

Well sadly there are only two styles currently used in HV, 1H and Mage. And Most infos are in WIKI. So I don't know the reason why the forum's format is like this, most questions can be handled in one thread i think

This post has been edited by paruri: Jan 5 2019, 16:12

I see so many people use Juggernaut Lv.5 Holyproof Lv.5.
I know Juggernaut is good.
But Holyproof...I dont know.
Maybe has strong moster use Holy?

How about Capacitor?
Can it save my Draught or Potion?

Sorry if this sounds rude or like, lecturing coming from a newbie, but why has this "Ask the experts" form been chosen to lump all questions together in one big thread? (Or rather, several big threads over the years..) Wouldn't it be easier for people to look up info on say, play styles like Mage, 2H, 1H, DW or Niten in a single thread on each style? As opposed to browsing hundreds if not thousands of pages to search for info on the topic you want?

So you would prefer to have multiple big threads? Yeah, i cant see the benefit of this. Only that some people wouldnt even know where to ask their questions and spaming the forum with quite similiar threads. I mean what? A person has one questions about 1H and one for general soulfusing. So two questions for two threats? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) When one has a questions, they can ask here and they will get an answer. And that is all everyone actually needs.

I see so many people use Juggernaut Lv.5 Holyproof Lv.5.
I know Juggernaut is good.
But Holyproof...I dont know.
Maybe has strong moster use Holy?

Just believe when i tell you Holyproof can sometimes save your as. Well Holy and Fire together.

How about Capacitor?
Can it save my Draught or Potion?

Do you play as mage? Because if you dont play as mage it has absoltly no use for you. No really. You have absolutly no benefit from it if you dont are a mage.

Sorry if this sounds rude or like, lecturing coming from a newbie, but why has this "Ask the experts" form been chosen to lump all questions together in one big thread? (Or rather, several big threads over the years..) Wouldn't it be easier for people to look up info on say, play styles like Mage, 2H, 1H, DW or Niten in a single thread on each style? As opposed to browsing hundreds if not thousands of pages to search for info on the topic you want?

More than 1 thread would be impossible to moderate: "wrong thread", "wrong thread", etc. This works fine, and because we regularly make a fresh new one, you can use 'search' to find what you need.

I see so many people use Juggernaut Lv.5 Holyproof Lv.5.
I know Juggernaut is good.
But Holyproof...I dont know.
Maybe has strong moster use Holy?

How about Capacitor?
Can it save my Draught or Potion?

Basically, Holy is the attack type used by Celestials 2nd MP skill (and the SP skill for those who chose it to be Holy and not Void), which sport the most powerful magical attacks. That being said, actually only Jug5 is important, the rest doesn't matter much.

Capacitor 5 is only a gimmick for ultra rich guys who can sink hundreds of Amnesia Shards only so that they can have slightly more comfort in their MP usage while playing mage. Dunno about you, but for my part I consider that spending millions and millions of credits to save one elixir from time to time is not really a worthwhile "investment".

Capacitor 5 is only a gimmick for ultra rich guys who can sink hundreds of Amnesia Shards only so that they can have slightly more comfort in their MP usage while playing mage. Dunno about you, but for my part I consider that spending millions and millions of credits to save one elixir from time to time is not really a worthwhile "investment".

Agreed - I feel like capacitor is actually inferior to all other IW possibilities.

Agreed - I feel like capacitor is actually inferior to all other IW possibilities.

Oh, so it is not even that usefull for mages?

Oh, so it is not even that usefull for mages?

I could be wrong, but since it increases total mana instead of base mana it doesn't help restoratives, so it's literally just having a larger mana pool.

I could be wrong, but since it increases total mana instead of base mana it doesn't help restoratives, so it's literally just having a larger mana pool.

yeah, and even without cap and using mana-expensive dark spells, I never run out of mana. Okay, sometimes I need an elixir, but not often. Current inventory: over 4000 mana elixirs!