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post Jan 4 2019, 06:49
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Jan 3 2019, 20:16) *

this is my result of trying VS today...
well, I still can't maintain perma-stance as I expected and my draught usage become irregular...
when I use OFC, I usually use the needed draught just before I re-activate stance...
or maybe I really messed up somewhere??? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
you mean in addition of stun debuff, I also need to look for Overwhelming status???
with my latency I doubt I could do it...
even today I sometimes missed the VS chance and decide to kill SG without it as she already dying when got stunned again... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

VS can use a lot of draughts if you ignore the Celestials and Elementals. Try to take them out before working on a schoolgirl.

And yeah, your latentcy is the problem, because you need to rebuild Spirit Stance quickly. Either way, VS or OFC should be used if you have 5 Overwhelming stacks to max damage output. You can tell by taking a look to see how thick the corners of the buff bar are.

For reference, my stats are below, and I'm pretty sure my equipment is worse than yours.. For some, reason I get an error trying to view yours, though...

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post Jan 4 2019, 07:56
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I don't think Overwhelming Strikes stacks beyond 1 for the +15% damage and +50% accuracy, it's only the +20% counter-parry that stacks 5 times. Just aim for either Penetrated Armor 2~3 or successful Imperil before doing Vital Strike. At higher level, Penetrated Armor 1 can be good enough.
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post Jan 4 2019, 08:50
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QUOTE(paruri @ Jan 3 2019, 23:46) *

At most how much hath can be earned on one day with one H@H client?
And to earn that, how server spec should be??

Around 90 hath is the very, very maximum you can get from a single client. Provided it has 1TB HDD and around 300kbps bandwidth. Having more HDD is useless due to the limit in static ranges, more bandwidth won't help much since the max usage uses a bit more than 200kbps, as far as my observation goes.

But frankly, I highly advise against filling the HDD to the brim to reach that 90 hath / day. It's a sure-fire way to have the client actually filling the HDD despite the setting, and then it becomes a nightmare to start it again.
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post Jan 4 2019, 10:22
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jan 4 2019, 15:50) *

Around 90 hath is the very, very maximum you can get from a single client. Provided it has 1TB HDD and around 300kbps bandwidth. Having more HDD is useless due to the limit in static ranges, more bandwidth won't help much since the max usage uses a bit more than 200kbps, as far as my observation goes.

But frankly, I highly advise against filling the HDD to the brim to reach that 90 hath / day. It's a sure-fire way to have the client actually filling the HDD despite the setting, and then it becomes a nightmare to start it again.

Thanks for reply (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That's what I wondered. Actually I bought a VPS so I don't mind about the disk size.
And about bandwidth, the usage you said is in KBytes or Kbits? I currently set maximum speed 12,000 KBytes and they say using 9,600 max speed. This effects little to hathrate?

P.S. Several months ago suddenly I got busy and couldn't come HV. Therefore I forgot to detach equips from your auctions. I saw you lift my strikes but anyway I wanted to say sorry for that.
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post Jan 4 2019, 17:19
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Why Slaughter is better than Balance?

Same as increase damage.
Why do everyone buy Slaughter?
Balance is bad?
Just want to know.
Thanks.
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post Jan 4 2019, 17:42
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QUOTE(kikikaki @ Jan 4 2019, 22:19) *

Why Slaughter is better than Balance?

Same as increase damage.
Why do everyone buy Slaughter?
Balance is bad?
Just want to know.
Thanks.


slaughter gives more ADB than balance.
it's as simple as that.
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post Jan 4 2019, 17:57
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Jan 4 2019, 16:42) *

slaughter gives more ADB than balance.
it's as simple as that.

I would say because in the end it just dont gives you anything really good. Nimbles gives you parry which can be good to prevent damage or as off hand weapon in a DW set, Slaughter gives you high damage as you allready said, but what gives balance? More accuracy and a little bit more crit chance? Yeah, that is just nothing. Who the hell does actually care enough about accuracy to trade damage or anything else for it? I cant see it. And the crit chance? Imo just too low as if i could even care about it too. I mean heartseeker alone gives you a bonus of 10%, when we know also take into account that crit chance can not only forged itself, but also can be increased by increasing STR and DEX, it is just nothing we couldnt get more of without any trade off.

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post Jan 4 2019, 18:20
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I want ask about SoulFuse.
I seen EHWiki.But still confuse.

Base stats will always remain the same though.
What is base stats?
ADB or Attack Damage or something?

If i have 100%ADB equipment(LV200) .
I SoulFuse this equipment.
When i LV500,the equipment have 100%ADB (LV500) stats?

This is my understanding.
I want to know is it right.
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post Jan 4 2019, 18:37
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QUOTE(kikikaki @ Jan 4 2019, 18:20) *

Base stats will always remain the same though.
What is base stats?
ADB or Attack Damage or something?


Base stats = all equipment stats in default state regardless of level, you can check them by hovering

QUOTE(kikikaki @ Jan 4 2019, 18:20) *

If i have 100%ADB equipment(LV200) .
I SoulFuse this equipment.
When i LV500,the equipment have 100%ADB (LV500) stats?


Soulfusing = binding equipment stats to your lvl. Lets say we have rapier with base adb 50 at level 300 lets say it would be 1000 adb, than 500 lvl player soulfuses it and gets, lets say, 1600 adb damage rapier. Basically it's the same base stats, but scaled to his level.
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post Jan 4 2019, 18:38
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QUOTE(kikikaki @ Jan 4 2019, 17:20) *

Base stats will always remain the same though.
What is base stats?
ADB or Attack Damage or something?

They are also base stats. But every single stat out there has its base stat, when you have a certain level those base stats will be calculated with a multiplicator up to your level.

QUOTE(kikikaki @ Jan 4 2019, 17:20) *

If i have 100%ADB equipment(LV200) .

Keep in mind 100% ADB does most of the time mean 100% of be maximal possible for Legendary equipment. And yes, other equipments have their own 100%.

QUOTE(kikikaki @ Jan 4 2019, 17:20) *

I SoulFuse this equipment.
When i LV500,the equipment have 100%ADB (LV500) stats?

Yes. When you reach 500 and your equipment is soulfused and 100% ADB this means it has the max possible damage, excluding forging of course.
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post Jan 4 2019, 19:02
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If i wanted to farm chaos token from RoB, which challenges gives to best return for blood tokens spent : chaos tokens gain, taking into account you can also get back blood tokens to reduce the total amount actually spent? Are the rate of blood/chaos token drops from each challenge known anywhere?
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post Jan 4 2019, 19:14
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If i wanted to farm chaos token from RoB, which challenges gives to best return for blood tokens spent : chaos tokens gain, taking into account you can also get back blood tokens to reduce the total amount actually spent? Are the rate of blood/chaos token drops from each challenge known anywhere?

When you just want Chaos token you go for Konata. But if you actually want for "farm" chaos token i suggest to buy all the tokenizer perks and do some IW just for the sake of doing them.
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post Jan 4 2019, 19:29
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jan 4 2019, 12:14) *

When you just want Chaos token you go for Konata. But if you actually want for "farm" chaos token i suggest to buy all the tokenizer perks and do some IW just for the sake of doing them.

So Konata has the overall best return? Don't have as much time to play as i used to but why IW opposed to grindfest (assuming stamina isn't an issue)?
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post Jan 4 2019, 19:42
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QUOTE(abc12345678901 @ Jan 4 2019, 18:29) *

So Konata has the overall best return?

Well, you have to pay one token for the chance to get one token. And all other arenas also just give you one token. So for getting chaos tokens, it is the only arena that makes actual sense for that.

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Don't have as much time to play as i used to but why IW opposed to grindfest (assuming stamina isn't an issue)?


Good question. And the answer is because IW are faster overall. Yeah, they get harder just as GF, but even a Peerl IW on PFUDOR dont even comes close to GF round 500. So in the end it is possible to make more rounds in the same time, while also you are able to do some RE between the RE. So if you are going for tokens, i suggest IW. If you go for crystals you go for GF. Even when of course IW gives you still more crystals as arena, because the rounds do fill much faster with more monster which is of course equal to overall more crystal drops. But of course because IW doesnt have the multiplier, nor the extra crystal drop of GF, you get of course less Crystals than GF.
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post Jan 4 2019, 20:16
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QUOTE(kikikaki @ Jan 4 2019, 23:20) *

I want ask about SoulFuse.
I seen EHWiki.But still confuse.

Base stats will always remain the same though.
What is base stats?
ADB or Attack Damage or something?

If i have 100%ADB equipment(LV200) .
I SoulFuse this equipment.
When i LV500,the equipment have 100%ADB (LV500) stats?

This is my understanding.
I want to know is it right.


you need to understand level scaling to actually understand that.

100% ADB lvl 200 = 100% ADB lvl 500
base stats doesn't change according to level, they only changes with forging (and potencies from IW?).
what changes is actual weapon stats which derived from level scaled base stats.

tl;dr : Base Stats -> Scaled based on weapon level => Weapon Stats.
when soulfused, weapon level = your level.

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post Jan 4 2019, 20:31
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jan 4 2019, 12:42) *

Well, you have to pay one token for the chance to get one token. And all other arenas also just give you one token. So for getting chaos tokens, it is the only arena that makes actual sense for that.

Good question. And the answer is because IW are faster overall. Yeah, they get harder just as GF, but even a Peerl IW on PFUDOR dont even comes close to GF round 500. So in the end it is possible to make more rounds in the same time, while also you are able to do some RE between the RE. So if you are going for tokens, i suggest IW. If you go for crystals you go for GF. Even when of course IW gives you still more crystals as arena, because the rounds do fill much faster with more monster which is of course equal to overall more crystal drops. But of course because IW doesnt have the multiplier, nor the extra crystal drop of GF, you get of course less Crystals than GF.


Ya but but, at least when i used to do RoB regularly (haven't in a while) Konata was only a chance while say FSM was 100% token drop (at least i don't remember ever not getting a token) which is why I'm kinda intrested in the rates, i mean ya FSM is 5x more expensive but if Konata only has say 20% or less drop rate than FSM would be far better for token drops.

as for IW vs GF, I know i start to slow down around 30-40 rounds into legendary PFUDOR IW and around 60 I have to start being super careful not to accidentally misclick and kill myself. While being able to still RE is a benfit, what's stopping me from say doing 200 or so (pulling a number out of my ass) GF rounds then backing out before monsters get strong in order to clear a large amount of mobs in a short amount of time? Or would doing IW still net more mob kills in a shorter amount of time?
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post Jan 4 2019, 20:44
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QUOTE(abc12345678901 @ Jan 4 2019, 19:31) *

Ya but but, at least when i used to do RoB regularly (haven't in a while) Konata was only a chance while say FSM was 100% token drop

So you would prefer 100% to trade 5 blood tokens for 1 chaos token as the chance for trade 1 for 1? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Also nope, the chance isnt 100%. It is absolutly possible to make the FSM and dont get any token at all.

QUOTE(abc12345678901 @ Jan 4 2019, 19:31) *

which is why I'm kinda intrested in the rates, i mean ya FSM is 5x more expensive but if Konata only has say 20% or less drop rate than FSM would be far better for token drops.


20% my guess is more like around 33%. And i have no idea about the drop rate for FSM, because in the end today alone i got around 20 tokens with just doing some IW after clearing all arenas alone, so RoB isnt what i would call a chaos token farm.

QUOTE(abc12345678901 @ Jan 4 2019, 19:31) *

as for IW vs GF, I know i start to slow down around 30-40 rounds into legendary PFUDOR IW and around 60 I have to start being super careful not to accidentally misclick and kill myself. While being able to still RE is a benfit, what's stopping me from say doing 200 or so (pulling a number out of my ass) GF rounds then backing out before monsters get strong in order to clear a large amount of mobs in a short amount of time? Or would doing IW still net more mob kills in a shorter amount of time?

Well, first no one told you that you HAVE to do those IW on PFUDOR or with a legendary. If that is too much for you, feel free to do some Exq IW on nintendo. Iirc they should give you in the end more or less the same amount of chaos tokens in the end. I just do them on PFUDOR because i can and i still hope for some Leg drops. And tbh, i dont do GF because i just dont like to flee. It is just i dont want to give people who have allready more than enough credits another free monster gift with fleeing. So yeah, if you dont care about that and dont have a problem with fleeing, i guess you could just do the 200 round GF. Just remember, that in the end this would cost you more stamina. Yeah, you asked about when stamina doenst matter, but i want to point it out anyway, just to be sure.
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post Jan 4 2019, 21:08
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jan 4 2019, 13:44) *

So you would prefer 100% to trade 5 blood tokens for 1 chaos token as the chance for trade 1 for 1? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Also nope, the chance isnt 100%. It is absolutly possible to make the FSM and dont get any token at all.
20% my guess is more like around 33%. And i have no idea about the drop rate for FSM, because in the end today alone i got around 20 tokens with just doing some IW after clearing all arenas alone, so RoB isnt what i would call a chaos token farm.
Well, first no one told you that you HAVE to do those IW on PFUDOR or with a legendary. If that is too much for you, feel free to do some Exq IW on nintendo. Iirc they should give you in the end more or less the same amount of chaos tokens in the end. I just do them on PFUDOR because i can and i still hope for some Leg drops. And tbh, i dont do GF because i just dont like to flee. It is just i dont want to give people who have allready more than enough credits another free monster gift with fleeing. So yeah, if you dont care about that and dont have a problem with fleeing, i guess you could just do the 200 round GF. Just remember, that in the end this would cost you more stamina. Yeah, you asked about when stamina doenst matter, but i want to point it out anyway, just to be sure.


For the first sentence, if the rate for the chance at a 1:1 was low enough, absolutely, it makes more logical sense to me, however if you're saying the rate is around 33% then ya, ill start doing konata every day.

For the rest: that's really good info, probably going to do something along those lines then. Thank you very much for the responses!
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post Jan 4 2019, 21:17
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QUOTE(abc12345678901 @ Jan 4 2019, 20:08) *

For the first sentence, if the rate for the chance at a 1:1 was low enough, absolutely, it makes more logical sense to me, however if you're saying the rate is around 33% then ya, ill start doing konata every day.

33% is just me take a guess. I didnt keep track of it. So dont blame me when you will find out later the chance isnt 33% okay?
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For the rest: that's really good info, probably going to do something along those lines then. Thank you very much for the responses!

You are welcome, i am allways glad when i can help. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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Why Slaughter is better than Balance?

Same as increase damage. Why do everyone buy Slaughter? Balance is bad? Just want to know.

Balance is not so bad and some people still pay a decent amount for Balance power armor. Balance weapons perhaps get less than they deserve, at least for 1H style.

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I did some rough math today. Balance gives about double, or +20% accuracy, which translates to 5% more damage on typical enemies who have ~20% evade (see Overpower discussion a few pages back). Balance also gives double, or +5% critical chance, which translates to roughly 2.5% more damage on a weak player. Therefore a Balance rapier is 7.5% more damage overall.

Slaughter gives about 12 more base ADB on a rapier (more on axes, less on wakizashi) which at level 300 is about +230 damage. That might be a 6% increase in overall attack damage, with regular armor.

However on 1H due to stuns and overwhelming strikes, balance accuracy is not as important for the same reason as Overpower, going down to maybe 1.5% more damage, depending on how you play. But that's still 4% more damage after adding critical. Kind of competitive with Slaughter. If you wear power armor both Rapier of Slaughter and Rapier of Balance will have less effect, I am not sure which would be stronger.

Another question, is ADB roll really much more important than accuracy/crit roll? Answer is yes, even on Balance, but only because the roll range for accuracy/crit is small...3% accuracy, 1% critical. So the roll range is 10x less meaningful than the roll range for ADB.

My math back then had various simplifications and mistakes, but still kind of roughly applies. I recommend reading the full discussion of old posts that responded to mine (click on the red arrow).
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