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post Dec 26 2018, 01:16
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QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Dec 25 2018, 22:49) *

Ok. That's a fair statement on the availability of credits.
But in my defense, I said "Scavenger training, Tokenizer, etc. 'faster than the rest' ".

Well, i have no doubts you ment it well. But you know the problem is just, you never actually had to care about your income by grinding only and also not much about the pay off of certain things. And when i look at how it did feel to max out scavenger first, i really have to admit that with what i know now, i wouldnt do it again. I guess i would even max out it last, because it has a really bad payback speed.

QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Dec 25 2018, 22:49) *

Due to a very good point on HG materials made by Uncle Stu, I will modify my original post with the following:
Bring monsters individually up to >PL500 first, and then increase PL evenly among all monsters.

Yeah, and how long did you have an army of PL 500 monster? I just ask because creating a small army myself, aka 45 atm, didnt actually increase my HG mats by an amount i could actually say it was worth it. And i am even talking about a min PL of 549. The chance for them to drop a HG mat is just still so low, that i doesnt actually matter overall, even with quite a few of them. You really have to get lucky to notice the difference when they decide to bring you some HG mats at the same time. And evenly increase the PL? Do you even remember how fast one can create monster slots with just token I? That would mean one has nothingelse to do but bring monster up to PL 500. Or just increase a shit-tone of monster very, very slowly up to even 600. I mean we are mostly talking about people who cant do it that fast even when they spend all their credits to CP, which is something i would really not suggest to do. And if you know would ask me about a stategy how to level up your monster? Tbh, i am not really sure about an optimal way. I switch atm between bringing some monster up to PL 549 and after that brinding one or to up to PL 792 and i havent noticed an increase HG income in months now. Maybe the difference is just too small, and even when it is there i just didnt notice because i dont really keep track of my gifts, but i am not sure i would suggest my method to someone who just start his monsterlab.
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post Dec 26 2018, 01:18
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Cheer up. Maybe you'll have more luck next time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Dec 26 2018, 01:55
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 25 2018, 15:16) *

Well, i have no doubts you ment it well. But you know the problem is just, you never actually had to care about your income by grinding only and also not much about the pay off of certain things.


True that Uncle Stu. True that.
I never had to grind myself out of a credit crunch here. I've literally always "bought" my way out.
But I think sometimes it's either forgotten or just not known that in Real Life....
I grinded my ass off for 2 decades to be able to do that.
I'm not a trust fund baby over here, it took me decades of grinding.
And I still work over 60 hours a week (No exaggeration) on Salary with no overtime.
And it's not a chair spinning desk job either. I spend maybe an hour in my office a day average.

So throw me a little bit of credit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Or credits... I like credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 25 2018, 15:16) *

And when i look at how it did feel to max out scavenger first, i really have to admit that with what i know now, i wouldnt do it again. I guess i would even max out it last, because it has a really bad payback speed.



With what you know now, what would you have maxed out first?

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 25 2018, 15:16) *

Yeah, and how long did you have an army of PL 500 monster? I just ask because creating a small army myself, aka 45 atm, didnt actually increase my HG mats by an amount i could actually say it was worth it. And i am even talking about a min PL of 549. The chance for them to drop a HG mat is just still so low, that i doesnt actually matter overall, even with quite a few of them. You really have to get lucky to notice the difference when they decide to bring you some HG mats at the same time.


Throwing in this disclaimer: I have overspent myself into oblivion buying crystals to increase my monster's PL.
I will NEVER recoup what I've invested.
I got my 199th and 200th monster on 18 March 2018. This year.
Only 21 of these were above PL763 until late September of this year.
EDIT: This is incorrect, I just checked my spreadsheets... 126 were above PL763 on 22 Sept 2018.
(wow... not bad! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )
Here are my numbers starting from 01 April 2018 until today. Full Transparency.
Keep in mind, the percentage of Medium Grades are still decreasing daily.
Next to it are my gifts from 24 Sept 2017 until 31 March 2018 to compare.
I had 142 Monsters on 24 Sept 2017, only 6 above PL1250
It "does" make a difference, it's just horribly expensive.



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post Dec 26 2018, 02:01
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QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Dec 26 2018, 00:55) *

So throw me a little bit of credit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Or credits... I like credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Hm, okay. Because it is xmas. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Dec 26 2018, 00:55) *

With what you know now, what would you have maxed out first?

Archaeologist sure as sure. I know those 8M for the last level are quite intimidating. But none training does increase you income by the same amount and has such a fast payback speed. Artifacts are just nothing but the greatest 10bo did ever invented for the game. Or at least they are after he removed the other elixiers from them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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post Dec 26 2018, 02:27
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 25 2018, 16:01) *

Hm, okay. Because it is xmas. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)



In reply to your mooglemail, I am not going to sell you HGM @ 500 each under the guise of Christmas spirit.
I've already hooked you up today with millions.

You're a funny guy.
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post Dec 26 2018, 02:30
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Is my stat distribution very weird? What should I strive for from 400 ~ 500 ?
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post Dec 26 2018, 02:38
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Is my stat distribution very weird? What should I strive for from 400 ~ 500 ?
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To answer that question, it would be nice to know at least what style you play. Melee i assume, but 1H or DW? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Dec 26 2018, 02:40
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 25 2018, 19:38) *

To answer that question, it would be nice to know at least what style you play. Melee i assume, but 1H or DW? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


Given the low agility bonus from equipment, I assume 1h heavy? Stat looks fine to me, maybe a bit higher wisdom?
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post Dec 26 2018, 02:51
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QUOTE(magiclamp @ Dec 26 2018, 01:40) *

Given the low agility bonus from equipment, I assume 1h heavy? Stat looks fine to me, maybe a bit higher wisdom?

Yeah, i guess you are right. I still dont have enough blood in my eggnog. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)
Well looking at my stats.
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Yeah, a bit more WIS, bit less AGI and just as a personal preference i would say less STR more DEX. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Dec 26 2018, 02:56
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 25 2018, 22:51) *

Yeah, i guess you are right. I still dont have enough blood in my eggnog. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)
Well looking at my stats.
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Yeah, a bit more WIS, bit less AGI and just as a personal preference i would say less STR more DEX. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


It is indeed 1H heavy power armor.
Gotcha. I'm not totally lost then. Thanks.
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post Dec 26 2018, 10:46
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QUOTE(Matrim_Cauthon @ Dec 26 2018, 01:30) *

Is my stat distribution very weird? What should I strive for from 400 ~ 500 ?
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0 Intelligence, more Wisdom to reach at least 100% magic accuracy, and more endurance to have it easier during a PFFEST.
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post Dec 26 2018, 14:47
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QUOTE(Matrim_Cauthon @ Dec 26 2018, 07:30) *

Is my stat distribution very weird? What should I strive for from 400 ~ 500 ?
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intelligence and wisdom to 400

it will increase your max sp, exp cost near to 1 point of str
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post Dec 26 2018, 16:36
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should I salvage my Magnificent Zircon Force Shield of Protection and change with Legendary Jade Force Shield of Warding???
or just use the first one and wait for better shield???
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post Dec 26 2018, 17:03
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Dec 26 2018, 14:36) *

should I salvage my Magnificent Zircon Force Shield of Protection and change with Legendary Jade Force Shield of Warding???
or just use the first one and wait for better shield???

It's your preference.
If I were you I would sell it.
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post Dec 26 2018, 17:45
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Dec 26 2018, 16:36) *

should I salvage my Magnificent Zircon Force Shield of Protection and change with Legendary Jade Force Shield of Warding???
or just use the first one and wait for better shield???


Leg 39% block SDE is good enough (unless you plan to max forge over 80% block SDE favorite suf pref soon)
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post Dec 26 2018, 17:55
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Quick question: If I soulfused a weapon, can I still have someone else IW it for me?

I hadn't heard of IW at the time I soulfused it.

EDIT: Thanks for the reply, decondelite. Damn, and it's a pretty nice weapon at that -- just without Void damage.

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post Dec 26 2018, 18:02
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QUOTE(meow_pao @ Dec 26 2018, 15:55) *

Quick question: If I soulfused a weapon, can I still have someone else IW it for me?

I hadn't heard of IW at the time I soulfused it.

No. That's a major issue with soulfusing and items won in the lottery.
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post Dec 26 2018, 20:54
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I have a question about elemental strikes.
I heard that some people have their weapon with IW9 to control its element.

but based on wiki, weapon can have 2 elemental strike.
(And I think void =/= element)

so, what is the point of using Ethereal with 1 element by using infusion, not using a 2 elemental strikes by using infusion & prefixed ?
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post Dec 26 2018, 20:57
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so, what is the point of using Ethereal with 1 element by using infusion, not using a 2 elemental strikes by using infusion & prefixed ?

You use Ethereal with 2 different Infusions to get the same Void + 2 elemental strikes...

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post Dec 27 2018, 00:19
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QUOTE(foot @ Dec 26 2018, 20:54) *

I have a question about elemental strikes.
I heard that some people have their weapon with IW9 to control its element.

but based on wiki, weapon can have 2 elemental strike.
(And I think void =/= element)

so, what is the point of using Ethereal with 1 element by using infusion, not using a 2 elemental strikes by using infusion & prefixed ?


Yes, you can have 2 elemental strikes + void strike, but ethereal weapons start with void strike and get random at IW10 (which you can't change unless you reforge, and average damage of holy strike is considerably higher than, for example, fire strike) so many players choose to not gamble and get desired strikes by infusing
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