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I don't do grindfest, though...

So? Just playing every arena daily on PFUDOR does give me around 2CP each day. I mean 30 Crystals everytime a Crystal does drop. So we are talking about quite a few crystals over the year. Grindfest or not, i would say go for Crystarium it is worth.

was saving up for forging a rapier at 368 and DD1. Gonna have to think on this more, but judging by how 53 PFUDOR IW rounds are kicking my ass, the rapier is probably a better idea to get first. Seeing as that hath prices are scheduled to deflat if another cookie item is added, it would be prudent to save those credits.

Well, reading this i would say a rapier sounds like much more important to you, than a few CP, that will most probably not pay off at all any time soon. Also forge your equipment is also a good idea. And the low upgrades are even quite cheap compare to what they give you And after all those cookies, stars and hath barons we allready have out there, dont expect the hath price to actually fall that much next year. Because another cookies does now dont much of a difference. I wouldnt even supprised at all, if prices just stay as they are right now.

From a difficulty perspective, how much harder is it to complete grindfest compared to having to run away at around round 500? Just wondering how much further I have to go to being able to complete grindfest without elixars.

From a difficulty perspective, how much harder is it to complete grindfest compared to having to run away at around round 500? Just wondering how much further I have to go to being able to complete grindfest without elixars.

Well, round 500 is allready like a walk in the park for me while everything after round 700 is still quite dangerous to me. So i would say the difference of those 500 is quite a bit.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Dec 25 2018, 10:07

From a difficulty perspective, how much harder is it to complete grindfest compared to having to run away at around round 500? Just wondering how much further I have to go to being able to complete grindfest without elixars.

For starters, the difficulty of GF200 is identical to IW100, and then GF1000 monsters hit twice harder than GF500 monsters.
If you can finish Grindfest with the help of elixirs and you don't need them every 2 turns, do it. The extra crystals and the 5kC bonus will pay back the expense in elixirs.

For starters, the difficulty of GF200 is identical to IW100

That's not true.
IW monster have a higher damage boost increase every round compared to GF.
Monsters' attack power in IW round50 is already similar to GW round300~400.(for my experience)

This post has been edited by qr12345: Dec 25 2018, 11:50

Well, round 500 is allready like a walk in the park for me while everything after round 700 is still quite dangerous to me. So i would say the difference of those 500 is quite a bit.

For starters, the difficulty of GF200 is identical to IW100, and then GF1000 monsters hit twice harder than GF500 monsters.
If you can finish Grindfest with the help of elixirs and you don't need them every 2 turns, do it. The extra crystals and the 5kC bonus will pay back the expense in elixirs.

Thanks Uncle and decondelite! I'll try elixirs and see how far I can go. From what you guys are saying I doubt I can make it to the end, but I am pretty curious about how far I can go.

That's not true.
IW monster have a higher damage boost increase every round compared to GF.
Monsters' attack power in IW round50 is already similar to GW round300~400.(for my experience)

For me personally IW round 100 on peerless felt easier than GF round 500.

Edit: Though maybe that's because there are far fewer rounds in IW?

This post has been edited by magiclamp: Dec 25 2018, 12:09

For me personally IW round 100 on peerless felt easier than GF round 500.

Because it is. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Edit: Though maybe that's because there are far fewer rounds in IW?

I think it is a point.
With simple calculation monsters in GFround 700, 800, 900 and 1000 have 230%, 270%, 310% and 350% damage bonus respectively,
but it feels like no major difference in difficulty for me after GFround 700.

It is really not the best idea listen to Roadshoe when it comes how to spend your credits when you are not even near his income. Also you can allready spend your crystals now, of course you would get more later, but lets say you get in the meantime at least one monster above 500. That would mean at least a few HG mats in a month. And HGC is still worth above 10k, so this would of course help you to increase your income and pay to the trainings you want to do.
No, you didnt fucked up. You just slowed yourself down a bit. And today, actually everything gives you a bonus to gift chance.

Ok. That's a fair statement on the availability of credits.
But in my defense, I said "Scavenger training, Tokenizer, etc. 'faster than the rest' ".

The concern that is going to come up with every single member is their priorities in the game are going to fluctuate.

Today the focus is on 2H gear, tomorrow is monsters, and next week may be pajama pants for a newly started mage.

If the focus today is "Best yield for monsters to gain materials and bindings":
Then get as many monsters as you can with the tokens you receive... which can be increased via Scavenger and Tokenizer.

Due to a very good point on HG materials made by Uncle Stu, I will modify my original post with the following:
Bring monsters individually up to >PL500 first, and then increase PL evenly among all monsters.

Forcing the monster's PL to be quickly above PL500 is useless IMHO. You get the same amount of bindings and rares at PL25, and at least at PL25 they eat chow, not edibles. Considering the price it takes to raise a monster to PL500, sinking a massive amount of credits to get one high-grade once in a while is not worth it. There are way better ways to spend your credits... like trainings or perks.

So frankly, for my part i'd advice to just use crystals to keep a monster's morale up, and let the PL raise slowly that way. That's what I do and I don't spend a single credit on the mons, save for a batch of edibles once every few months.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Dec 26 2018, 00:27

Forcing the monster's PL to be quickly above PL500 is useless IMHO. You get the same amount of bindings and rares at PL25, and at least at PL25 they eat chow, not edibles. Considering the price it takes to raise a monster to PL500, sinking a massive amount of credits to get one high-grade once in a while is not worth it. There are way better ways to spend your credits... like trainings or perks.

So frankly, for my part i'd advice to just use crystals to keep a monster's morale up, and let the PL raise slowly that way. That's what I do and I don't spend a single credit on the mons, save for a batch of edibles once every few months.

These are also great points that make perfect sense.


Geez... ya know... there's a zillion different ways to go with this game.

And they all end up sucking eventually in one way or another.
I've got a bad case of disgruntlement today.

Ok. That's a fair statement on the availability of credits.
But in my defense, I said "Scavenger training, Tokenizer, etc. 'faster than the rest' ".

Well, i have no doubts you ment it well. But you know the problem is just, you never actually had to care about your income by grinding only and also not much about the pay off of certain things. And when i look at how it did feel to max out scavenger first, i really have to admit that with what i know now, i wouldnt do it again. I guess i would even max out it last, because it has a really bad payback speed.

Due to a very good point on HG materials made by Uncle Stu, I will modify my original post with the following:
Bring monsters individually up to >PL500 first, and then increase PL evenly among all monsters.

Yeah, and how long did you have an army of PL 500 monster? I just ask because creating a small army myself, aka 45 atm, didnt actually increase my HG mats by an amount i could actually say it was worth it. And i am even talking about a min PL of 549. The chance for them to drop a HG mat is just still so low, that i doesnt actually matter overall, even with quite a few of them. You really have to get lucky to notice the difference when they decide to bring you some HG mats at the same time. And evenly increase the PL? Do you even remember how fast one can create monster slots with just token I? That would mean one has nothingelse to do but bring monster up to PL 500. Or just increase a shit-tone of monster very, very slowly up to even 600. I mean we are mostly talking about people who cant do it that fast even when they spend all their credits to CP, which is something i would really not suggest to do. And if you know would ask me about a stategy how to level up your monster? Tbh, i am not really sure about an optimal way. I switch atm between bringing some monster up to PL 549 and after that brinding one or to up to PL 792 and i havent noticed an increase HG income in months now. Maybe the difference is just too small, and even when it is there i just didnt notice because i dont really keep track of my gifts, but i am not sure i would suggest my method to someone who just start his monsterlab.

Cheer up. Maybe you'll have more luck next time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Well, i have no doubts you ment it well. But you know the problem is just, you never actually had to care about your income by grinding only and also not much about the pay off of certain things.

True that Uncle Stu. True that.
I never had to grind myself out of a credit crunch here. I've literally always "bought" my way out.
But I think sometimes it's either forgotten or just not known that in Real Life....
I grinded my ass off for 2 decades to be able to do that.
I'm not a trust fund baby over here, it took me decades of grinding.
And I still work over 60 hours a week (No exaggeration) on Salary with no overtime.
And it's not a chair spinning desk job either. I spend maybe an hour in my office a day average.

So throw me a little bit of credit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Or credits... I like credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

And when i look at how it did feel to max out scavenger first, i really have to admit that with what i know now, i wouldnt do it again. I guess i would even max out it last, because it has a really bad payback speed.

With what you know now, what would you have maxed out first?

Yeah, and how long did you have an army of PL 500 monster? I just ask because creating a small army myself, aka 45 atm, didnt actually increase my HG mats by an amount i could actually say it was worth it. And i am even talking about a min PL of 549. The chance for them to drop a HG mat is just still so low, that i doesnt actually matter overall, even with quite a few of them. You really have to get lucky to notice the difference when they decide to bring you some HG mats at the same time.

Throwing in this disclaimer: I have overspent myself into oblivion buying crystals to increase my monster's PL.
I will NEVER recoup what I've invested.
I got my 199th and 200th monster on 18 March 2018. This year.
Only 21 of these were above PL763 until late September of this year.
EDIT: This is incorrect, I just checked my spreadsheets... 126 were above PL763 on 22 Sept 2018.
(wow... not bad! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )
Here are my numbers starting from 01 April 2018 until today. Full Transparency.
Keep in mind, the percentage of Medium Grades are still decreasing daily.
Next to it are my gifts from 24 Sept 2017 until 31 March 2018 to compare.
I had 142 Monsters on 24 Sept 2017, only 6 above PL1250
It "does" make a difference, it's just horribly expensive.





To be continued..... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by RoadShoe: Dec 26 2018, 02:01

So throw me a little bit of credit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Or credits... I like credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Hm, okay. Because it is xmas. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

With what you know now, what would you have maxed out first?

Archaeologist sure as sure. I know those 8M for the last level are quite intimidating. But none training does increase you income by the same amount and has such a fast payback speed. Artifacts are just nothing but the greatest 10bo did ever invented for the game. Or at least they are after he removed the other elixiers from them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Hm, okay. Because it is xmas. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

In reply to your mooglemail, I am not going to sell you HGM @ 500 each under the guise of Christmas spirit.
I've already hooked you up today with millions.

You're a funny guy.

Is my stat distribution very weird? What should I strive for from 400 ~ 500 ?

Is my stat distribution very weird? What should I strive for from 400 ~ 500 ?

To answer that question, it would be nice to know at least what style you play. Melee i assume, but 1H or DW? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

To answer that question, it would be nice to know at least what style you play. Melee i assume, but 1H or DW? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Given the low agility bonus from equipment, I assume 1h heavy? Stat looks fine to me, maybe a bit higher wisdom?

Given the low agility bonus from equipment, I assume 1h heavy? Stat looks fine to me, maybe a bit higher wisdom?

Yeah, i guess you are right. I still dont have enough blood in my eggnog. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)
Well looking at my stats.

Yeah, a bit more WIS, bit less AGI and just as a personal preference i would say less STR more DEX. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)