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Yeah, just in case someone doesnt know. Roadshoe is rich. I mean very rich. He is able to make in a day more money as i in three months. So, yeah. Dont spend all your credits into crystals and expect your monster to ever pay off. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Yeah, just in case someone doesnt know. Roadshoe is rich. I mean very rich. He is able to make in a day more money as i in three months. So, yeah. Dont spend all your credits into crystals and expect your monster to ever pay off. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

It was better in the day when I was deep into adopt a servers, and HatH was over 6k.
The stars keep me rich, but the glory days of ranking in the top HatHers by just adopt a servers was gangs of fun.

My wife hates it. Hates it all. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

My wife hates it. Hates it all. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Hm, in that case i would say give her flowers, make her a special night, or make a short trip to a nice place, like i dont know, Las Vegas maybe. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Yes, only materials.

Well, there are a few level that are important to notice. Like 500 when they start to have a chance to bring HG Material. When a few HG materials are allready enough for you and you want to make sure you never ever need to buy any MG materials, somewhere after 500 is a good goal for your monster. If you want more and reduce at the same time your LG mat and spread the food your monster need somehwere above 750 would be good. But an important question here is, are you talking about your own crystals or do you talk about buying CP? Because when i look at the prices i dont think it is the best idea to invest quite a bit into your monsterlab as long as you still have outher way to increase your income. The payoff of high level monster isnt the best.

Gonna just use my own crystals. I think I'd be better off training Scavenger and Archaeologist first before boosting up my monsters.

Also, I realized that I fucked up by focusing Chaos tokens on one monster when I started several years ago. Oh well, at least it was on Gifting chance.

Gonna just use my own crystals. I think I'd be better off training Scavenger and Archaeologist first before boosting up my monsters.

I suggest only train Scavenger when you can easy afford the money, or at least dont train it when you feel like it was really hard to get the needed money. The pay off of scavenger is really low and when your income isnt allready at least decent, it will just feel like you did waste your credits. It is really not the best idea listen to Roadshoe when it comes how to spend your credits when you are not even near his income. Also you can allready spend your crystals now, of course you would get more later, but lets say you get in the meantime at least one monster above 500. That would mean at least a few HG mats in a month. And HGC is still worth above 10k, so this would of course help you to increase your income and pay to the trainings you want to do.

Also, I realized that I fucked up by focusing Chaos tokens on one monster when I started several years ago. Oh well, at least it was on Gifting chance.

No, you didnt fucked up. You just slowed yourself down a bit. And today, actually everything gives you a bonus to gift chance.

Are daimon-type monsters generally more troublesome for mages that don't have a ton of forging? I am just curious because from what I am seeing, celestials and daimons are fodders for melee but they make up for it with relatively high resistances against all but one opposite element. Daimon-type seems to be better geared towards dishing out physical attacks. Their void attack skills at later stages certainly might prove troublesome in deep pfest but I digress.

I suggest only train Scavenger when you can easy afford the money, or at least dont train it when you feel like it was really hard to get the needed money.

Huh. So I have Scavenger 12 already. Definitely going for Archaelogist 5 to gamble for crystals and energy drink. And if my luck with Snowflake continues, guess I'll buy some crystal packs when Blackjac responds, just so I don't start tear hair out when I get Last Elixors instead.

Huh. So I have Scavenger 12 already. Definitely going for Archaelogist 5 to gamble for crystals and energy drink. And if my luck with Snowflake continues, guess I'll buy some crystal packs when Blackjac responds, just so I don't start tear hair out when I get Last Elixors instead.

Scavenger 12? So you still havent reached the point the trainings cost multiple M? Well, you will see what i did mean when you reach that point. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Also i would suggest to save your credits and spend them towards crystarium.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Dec 25 2018, 08:42

I don't do grindfest, though... was saving up for forging a rapier at 368 and DD1. Gonna have to think on this more, but judging by how 53 PFUDOR IW rounds are kicking my ass, the rapier is probably a better idea to get first. Seeing as that hath prices are scheduled to deflat if another cookie item is added, it would be prudent to save those credits.

I don't do grindfest, though...

So? Just playing every arena daily on PFUDOR does give me around 2CP each day. I mean 30 Crystals everytime a Crystal does drop. So we are talking about quite a few crystals over the year. Grindfest or not, i would say go for Crystarium it is worth.

was saving up for forging a rapier at 368 and DD1. Gonna have to think on this more, but judging by how 53 PFUDOR IW rounds are kicking my ass, the rapier is probably a better idea to get first. Seeing as that hath prices are scheduled to deflat if another cookie item is added, it would be prudent to save those credits.

Well, reading this i would say a rapier sounds like much more important to you, than a few CP, that will most probably not pay off at all any time soon. Also forge your equipment is also a good idea. And the low upgrades are even quite cheap compare to what they give you And after all those cookies, stars and hath barons we allready have out there, dont expect the hath price to actually fall that much next year. Because another cookies does now dont much of a difference. I wouldnt even supprised at all, if prices just stay as they are right now.

From a difficulty perspective, how much harder is it to complete grindfest compared to having to run away at around round 500? Just wondering how much further I have to go to being able to complete grindfest without elixars.

From a difficulty perspective, how much harder is it to complete grindfest compared to having to run away at around round 500? Just wondering how much further I have to go to being able to complete grindfest without elixars.

Well, round 500 is allready like a walk in the park for me while everything after round 700 is still quite dangerous to me. So i would say the difference of those 500 is quite a bit.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Dec 25 2018, 10:07

From a difficulty perspective, how much harder is it to complete grindfest compared to having to run away at around round 500? Just wondering how much further I have to go to being able to complete grindfest without elixars.

For starters, the difficulty of GF200 is identical to IW100, and then GF1000 monsters hit twice harder than GF500 monsters.
If you can finish Grindfest with the help of elixirs and you don't need them every 2 turns, do it. The extra crystals and the 5kC bonus will pay back the expense in elixirs.

For starters, the difficulty of GF200 is identical to IW100

That's not true.
IW monster have a higher damage boost increase every round compared to GF.
Monsters' attack power in IW round50 is already similar to GW round300~400.(for my experience)

This post has been edited by qr12345: Dec 25 2018, 11:50

Well, round 500 is allready like a walk in the park for me while everything after round 700 is still quite dangerous to me. So i would say the difference of those 500 is quite a bit.

For starters, the difficulty of GF200 is identical to IW100, and then GF1000 monsters hit twice harder than GF500 monsters.
If you can finish Grindfest with the help of elixirs and you don't need them every 2 turns, do it. The extra crystals and the 5kC bonus will pay back the expense in elixirs.

Thanks Uncle and decondelite! I'll try elixirs and see how far I can go. From what you guys are saying I doubt I can make it to the end, but I am pretty curious about how far I can go.

That's not true.
IW monster have a higher damage boost increase every round compared to GF.
Monsters' attack power in IW round50 is already similar to GW round300~400.(for my experience)

For me personally IW round 100 on peerless felt easier than GF round 500.

Edit: Though maybe that's because there are far fewer rounds in IW?

This post has been edited by magiclamp: Dec 25 2018, 12:09

For me personally IW round 100 on peerless felt easier than GF round 500.

Because it is. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Edit: Though maybe that's because there are far fewer rounds in IW?

I think it is a point.
With simple calculation monsters in GFround 700, 800, 900 and 1000 have 230%, 270%, 310% and 350% damage bonus respectively,
but it feels like no major difference in difficulty for me after GFround 700.

It is really not the best idea listen to Roadshoe when it comes how to spend your credits when you are not even near his income. Also you can allready spend your crystals now, of course you would get more later, but lets say you get in the meantime at least one monster above 500. That would mean at least a few HG mats in a month. And HGC is still worth above 10k, so this would of course help you to increase your income and pay to the trainings you want to do.
No, you didnt fucked up. You just slowed yourself down a bit. And today, actually everything gives you a bonus to gift chance.

Ok. That's a fair statement on the availability of credits.
But in my defense, I said "Scavenger training, Tokenizer, etc. 'faster than the rest' ".

The concern that is going to come up with every single member is their priorities in the game are going to fluctuate.

Today the focus is on 2H gear, tomorrow is monsters, and next week may be pajama pants for a newly started mage.

If the focus today is "Best yield for monsters to gain materials and bindings":
Then get as many monsters as you can with the tokens you receive... which can be increased via Scavenger and Tokenizer.

Due to a very good point on HG materials made by Uncle Stu, I will modify my original post with the following:
Bring monsters individually up to >PL500 first, and then increase PL evenly among all monsters.

Forcing the monster's PL to be quickly above PL500 is useless IMHO. You get the same amount of bindings and rares at PL25, and at least at PL25 they eat chow, not edibles. Considering the price it takes to raise a monster to PL500, sinking a massive amount of credits to get one high-grade once in a while is not worth it. There are way better ways to spend your credits... like trainings or perks.

So frankly, for my part i'd advice to just use crystals to keep a monster's morale up, and let the PL raise slowly that way. That's what I do and I don't spend a single credit on the mons, save for a batch of edibles once every few months.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Dec 26 2018, 00:27

Forcing the monster's PL to be quickly above PL500 is useless IMHO. You get the same amount of bindings and rares at PL25, and at least at PL25 they eat chow, not edibles. Considering the price it takes to raise a monster to PL500, sinking a massive amount of credits to get one high-grade once in a while is not worth it. There are way better ways to spend your credits... like trainings or perks.

So frankly, for my part i'd advice to just use crystals to keep a monster's morale up, and let the PL raise slowly that way. That's what I do and I don't spend a single credit on the mons, save for a batch of edibles once every few months.

These are also great points that make perfect sense.


Geez... ya know... there's a zillion different ways to go with this game.

And they all end up sucking eventually in one way or another.
I've got a bad case of disgruntlement today.