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I would like some advice.

I'm currently at level 363, and I main 1H/Shield wearing Light armour.

Current gear : Peer Waki Slaughter Peer Kite Deflect. Mag. Shade Head of Neg. Leg. Shade Body of Arcanist Leg. Shade Hands of Fleet Leg. Shade Legs of Fleet Mag. Boots of Neg.

Other weapons I use for DW/2H/Niten are: Peer Axe Illithid and Leg. Artic Katana Slaughter.


Recently I was lucky enough to get Peer Onyx Phase Shoes Fenrir as a drop, and I was thinking maybe it's time I dabbled with a caster build. My intention is to build a dark set around this pair of shoes.

My question is, how much faster would I be able to clear the Arena lvl 300 "Dance with Dragons" at Pufdor with a decent dark magic setup? With my current 1H setup it takes me like 90 mins to clear. While is easy enough to clear, it's mind-numbingly slow that I only bother like once a week nowadays. While I have also cleared using DW, 2H and Niten, the speed isn't all that much faster while my survivablility drops somewhat.

So is it worth it for me to start building a mage set in order to speed things up?

Hi, after 6 years of casually playing DW style, I discovered that 1h is far superior (a bit slower though). So now I can do pfudor random encounters and thanks to this I got my first legendary drop. Now my question is why are rapiers the most recommended weapons to play this style? I'm currently using an axe, have used a club, a waki and a shortsword and the rapiers seem to have so little damage and the parry chance seems to be similar to wakis and shortswords. What makes rapiers so special?

Penetrated armor, basically.

I would like some advice.

I'm currently at level 363, and I main 1H/Shield wearing Light armour.

Current gear : Peer Waki Slaughter Peer Kite Deflect. Mag. Shade Head of Neg. Leg. Shade Body of Arcanist Leg. Shade Hands of Fleet Leg. Shade Legs of Fleet Mag. Boots of Neg.

Other weapons I use for DW/2H/Niten are: Peer Axe Illithid and Leg. Artic Katana Slaughter.
Recently I was lucky enough to get Peer Onyx Phase Shoes Fenrir as a drop, and I was thinking maybe it's time I dabbled with a caster build. My intention is to build a dark set around this pair of shoes.

My question is, how much faster would I be able to clear the Arena lvl 300 "Dance with Dragons" at Pufdor with a decent dark magic setup? With my current 1H setup it takes me like 90 mins to clear. While is easy enough to clear, it's mind-numbingly slow that I only bother like once a week nowadays. While I have also cleared using DW, 2H and Niten, the speed isn't all that much faster while my survivablility drops somewhat.

So is it worth it for me to start building a mage set in order to speed things up?

Fenrir mage is able to finish DWD in <15min. But not just any cheap set. It will be very costly.

Your current set, you could use power of slaughter armors that will speed things up for you.

What makes rapiers so special?

Penetrated Armor makes you actually do more damage.
Also more parry than clubs and axes provide.

I would like some advice.

I'm currently at level 363, and I main 1H/Shield wearing Light armour.

Current gear : Peer Waki Slaughter Peer Kite Deflect. Mag. Shade Head of Neg. Leg. Shade Body of Arcanist Leg. Shade Hands of Fleet Leg. Shade Legs of Fleet Mag. Boots of Neg.

Other weapons I use for DW/2H/Niten are: Peer Axe Illithid and Leg. Artic Katana Slaughter.
Recently I was lucky enough to get Peer Onyx Phase Shoes Fenrir as a drop, and I was thinking maybe it's time I dabbled with a caster build. My intention is to build a dark set around this pair of shoes.

My question is, how much faster would I be able to clear the Arena lvl 300 "Dance with Dragons" at Pufdor with a decent dark magic setup? With my current 1H setup it takes me like 90 mins to clear. While is easy enough to clear, it's mind-numbingly slow that I only bother like once a week nowadays. While I have also cleared using DW, 2H and Niten, the speed isn't all that much faster while my survivablility drops somewhat.

So is it worth it for me to start building a mage set in order to speed things up?

15mins if you have 2.5t/s or so.
It's definitely worth. It just costs you a lot on initial investment. Any mage style costs a lot, but right now dark is almost the cheapest mage style. The forging cost on staff and the perks would still cost a lot for beginners.
If you only play Arenas, dark is the best. Or elementals if you play iw and grindfest. Charged wind/elec phases are 10 times expensive than charged fenrir. Cold/fire are cheap.

Fenrir mage is able to finish DWD in <15min. But not just any cheap set. It will be very costly.

Your current set, you could use power of slaughter armors that will speed things up for you.

I never really thought of using Heavy Armour, because I tried a few years back (lvl 150 or so) and found interference too high to let me maintain my Innate Arcana spells + regen + occasional healing. Well I do have all 5 Arcana slots unlocked now so I can test the MP drain by equipping a full set of Mag quality Power armour I have lying around.

15mins if you have 2.5t/s or so.
It's definitely worth. It just costs you a lot on initial investment. Any mage style costs a lot, but right now dark is almost the cheapest mage style. The forging cost on staff and the perks would still cost a lot for beginners.
If you only play Arenas, dark is the best. Or elementals if you play iw and grindfest. Charged wind/elec phases are 10 times expensive than charged fenrir. Cold/fire are cheap.

I play all 3 modes, mainly depends on my mood and/or if I need to level up potentials on some new piece of gear I got. As for Hath Perks, I do have quite a few unlocked, I ran 3 H@H servers for about a year a few years back so I've been able to unlock all the IA, all 10% HP/MP/SP, 10% extra damage, as well as 10% support proficiency, as well as some crystal drop/exp boosts. Currently sitting on 1200 ish hath so I can buy an offensive spell proficiency if need be.

What about MP usage? i set up a new persona slot, and equipped a random mag quality set of cloth + staff, set up my abilities for dark magic, and did grindfest for about 30 rounds as a test. I found I was drinking mana pots every 6-8 rounds or so even with a mana salve going. Is this normal, or does it get way better with an optimised gear set?

This post has been edited by Makaijin: Dec 23 2018, 01:49

I never really thought of using Heavy Armour, because I tried a few years back (lvl 150 or so) and found interference too high to let me maintain my Innate Arcana spells + regen + occasional healing. Well I do have all 5 Arcana slots unlocked now so I can test the MP drain by equipping a full set of Mag quality Power armour I have lying around.

With only IA 3 and two spells sloted i remember i got into a positive mana income somewhen after level 400. With IA 5 this should be the truth even much sooner.

My question is, how much faster would I be able to clear the Arena lvl 300 "Dance with Dragons" at Pufdor with a decent dark magic setup? With my current 1H setup it takes me like 90 mins to clear. While is easy enough to clear, it's mind-numbingly slow that I only bother like once a week nowadays. While I have also cleared using DW, 2H and Niten, the speed isn't all that much faster while my survivablility drops somewhat.

So is it worth it for me to start building a mage set in order to speed things up?

Both mage and 1H can easily clear up arena in less than 30 minutes with good build and t/s, but maxed 1H offers around 20 minutes vs 10 min for maxed mage, though mages are considerably more expensive and prof dependent

With only IA 3 and two spells sloted i remember i got into a positive mana income somewhen after level 400. With IA 5 this should be the truth even much sooner.

It's also GS donation and RR perk related

It's also GS donation and RR perk related

True, but that bonus doesnt grow while geating more support prof. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Btw, is the mana you can save with getting more support prof in some way capped? I just ask because it has been a while and quite a few prof since i reached an upkeep of 1.44 MP/round. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

What about MP usage? i set up a new persona slot, and equipped a random mag quality set of cloth + staff, set up my abilities for dark magic, and did grindfest for about 30 rounds as a test. I found I was drinking mana pots every 6-8 rounds or so even with a mana salve going. Is this normal, or does it get way better with an optimised gear set?

Dark/holy has higher mana consumption. Generally holy dark mages need to drink mana potions as soon as the cooldown expires. Beginners may need elixirs.
If you are worrying about mana consumption, in which most mages won't, you can go elementalists. Elemental has the lowest mana consumption and also the highest survivability.

If you don't need to buy charged phases to conquer hard modes, then elementalists with plain phases work just fine. They have lower mana consumption. The main reason I don't recommend elementals is because charged wind/ele phases are too expensive. Cold/fire mages are cheap enough, but a bit weaker and slower than other ones.

Both mage and 1H can easily clear up arena in less than 30 minutes with good build and t/s, but maxed 1H offers around 20 minutes vs 10 min for maxed mage, though mages are considerably more expensive and prof dependent
It's also GS donation and RR perk related

Wait, does having a Gold Star in itself have bonus MP/SP regen? I already have the RR perk, didn't realise a GS also gave you a regen bonus. Guess it's time to finally donate, I've been put off donating for years because I don't have a clue about Bitcoins.

As for 30 mins 1H clear time, then either I need better gear still, or I'm doing something VERY wrong if it takes me like 90 mins to clear Dance with Dragons. In contrast I can clear a 100 turn IW (my peerless waki/kite shield) around 20 mins or so. Maybe I should be using using weapon skills more often? Currently I mostly just stay in perma spirit stance and mouseover enemies (monsterbation script) untill stuff dies.

Dark/holy has higher mana consumption. Generally holy dark mages need to drink mana potions as soon as the cooldown expires. Beginners may need elixirs.
If you are worrying about mana consumption, in which most mages won't, you can go elementalists. Elemental has the lowest mana consumption and also the highest survivability.

If you don't need to buy charged phases to conquer hard modes, then elementalists with plain phases work just fine. They have lower mana consumption. The main reason I don't recommend elementals is because charged wind/ele phases are too expensive. Cold/fire mages are cheap enough, but a bit weaker and slower than other ones.

So an elementalist build, for a mage, is more forgiving? Since you mention the lower MP requirements and better survivability. I've actually been thinking for a while if I should just sell my Peerless phase boots and use the money to fund something else.

This post has been edited by Makaijin: Dec 23 2018, 04:23

Wait, does having a Gold Star in itself have bonus MP/SP regen? I already have the RR perk, didn't realise a GS also gave you a regen bonus. Guess it's time to finally donate, I've been put off donating for years because I don't have a clue about Bitcoins.

As for 30 mins 1H clear time, then either I need better gear still, or I'm doing something VERY wrong if it takes me like 90 mins to clear Dance with Dragons. In contrast I can clear a 100 turn IW (my peerless waki/kite shield) around 20 mins or so. Maybe I should be using using weapon skills more often? Currently I mostly just stay in perma spirit stance and mouseover enemies (monsterbation script) untill stuff dies.

Yes, as 1h vital strike is super important for killing schoolgirls in a reasonable time. You can bind it to a key using script (I use shift).

Wait, does having a Gold Star in itself have bonus MP/SP regen?

Yes it has. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
+50% MP/SP regeneration

Wait, does having a Gold Star in itself have bonus MP/SP regen? I already have the RR perk, didn't realise a GS also gave you a regen bonus. Guess it's time to finally donate, I've been put off donating for years because I don't have a clue about Bitcoins.

As for 30 mins 1H clear time, then either I need better gear still, or I'm doing something VERY wrong if it takes me like 90 mins to clear Dance with Dragons. In contrast I can clear a 100 turn IW (my peerless waki/kite shield) around 20 mins or so. Maybe I should be using using weapon skills more often? Currently I mostly just stay in perma spirit stance and mouseover enemies (monsterbation script) untill stuff dies.
So an elementalist build, for a mage, is more forgiving? Since you mention the lower MP requirements and better survivability. I've actually been thinking for a while if I should just sell my Peerless phase boots and use the money to fund something else.

As I recall somehow, all I remember is that gold star gives you a free RR perk, not 50% regen. If you have the perk already, buying a GS should only refund 500 hath instead of giving 50% more regen.

Dark is faster cheaper, especially in Schoolgirl runs, but less survivability in PFD grindfest due to low casting speed, meaning more forging needed and a bit more elixirs and scroll of life needed if you are still low-level. At the end, imperil dark, full charged set is almost the same survivability as wind/elec, a bit faster than elementals actually.
But as I said wind/elec are like 5, or even 10 times more expensive than dark right now. You can buy charged wind/elec for 10m each and go save some potions, while I'd rather spend those credits on forging my dark gear and drink a few more potions.
Or you just use plain elemental phases, which wouldn't support you well in deep PFDfest. But you would be good in Arenas.
Or play cold/fire, whichever is as cheap as dark. Cheaper, low mana consumption, good survivability, but slower.

Yeah, not sure why wind/elec is so expensive right now compared to dark.

As I recall somehow, all I remember is that gold star gives you a free RR perk, not 50% regen. If you have the perk already, buying a GS should only refund 500 hath instead of giving 50% more regen.

Thats what I thought as well. But I just rechecked the Donation entry in the wiki, but it says you get a +50% MP/SP, rather than saying you get the RR perk instead. Then I looked at the Hath Perk list, for things like the Ads-Be-Gone perk and Multi-Page Viewer perk, there's an extra bolded line saying "Free with $xx donation" under them, but the same bolded line is not on the RR perk. It seems that the bonus regen from GS and RR are 2 separate things.

Thats what I thought as well. But I just rechecked the Donation entry in the wiki, but it says you get a +50% MP/SP, rather than saying you get the RR perk instead. Then I looked at the Hath Perk list, for things like the Ads-Be-Gone perk and Multi-Page Viewer perk, there's an extra bolded line saying "Free with $xx donation" under them, but the same bolded line is not on the RR perk. It seems that the bonus regen from GS and RR are 2 separate things.

I have a GS and still have the ability to get RR, so presumably they are separate.

As I recall somehow, all I remember is that gold star gives you a free RR perk, not 50% regen. If you have the perk already, buying a GS should only refund 500 hath instead of giving 50% more regen.

Nope. You dont get RR and the 50% are about right.

I have a GS and still have the ability to get RR, so presumably they are separate.

God dammit. I remember it was clearly written in the wiki. And after some search, we can thank our dear Maximum Joe for deleting a bit too hastily that very important info around June 2017. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Restoring it right now, and fixing the broken wiki links while I'm at it:
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Character_Stats#Battle_Regen

Anyway, the rule is now clearly written there: having either RR or GS makes your battle regen multiplied by 1.5, having both makes it 2.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Dec 23 2018, 11:17

Anyway, the rule is now clearly written there: having either RR or GS makes your battle regen multiplied by 1.5, having both makes it 2.

So they are additive (+0,5), not multiplicative (*1,5)?

This post has been edited by Nicosai: Dec 23 2018, 14:09

So they are additive (+0,5), not multiplicative (*1,5)?

Each gives you 50%. Why should someone even think they would multiply? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Wait, does having a Gold Star in itself have bonus MP/SP regen? I already have the RR perk, didn't realise a GS also gave you a regen bonus. Guess it's time to finally donate, I've been put off donating for years because I don't have a clue about Bitcoins.

You can buy with credits too

As for 30 mins 1H clear time, then either I need better gear still, or I'm doing something VERY wrong if it takes me like 90 mins to clear Dance with Dragons. In contrast I can clear a 100 turn IW (my peerless waki/kite shield) around 20 mins or so. Maybe I should be using using weapon skills more often? Currently I mostly just stay in perma spirit stance and mouseover enemies (monsterbation script) untill stuff dies.

Yes, use OFC and bash/strike (against SG) ASAP, rely more on counters, go full slaughter, mb try imperil

Yeah, not sure why wind/elec is so expensive right now compared to dark.

It's easier to start with elemental and holy is considered the best

Each gives you 50%. Why should someone even think they would multiply? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Because it's one of the ways some devs choose to go (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)