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post Dec 14 2018, 14:37
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QUOTE(Goodman2011 @ Dec 14 2018, 07:05) *

ok Thank you.
I guess silly me, because I do use stance. Maybe it isn't efficient, but I do when ~2/3 enemies are dead or I'm low on mana.
"https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spirit_Stance"

In normal case mage should never use normal attack, so the OC should be 0 and cannot activate spirit stance.
Well, hitting SG for ether tap in order to save some mana potion is feasible I think.

QUOTE(reigenxd3 @ Dec 14 2018, 12:07) *

didnt read all post about mage.
i need a element Destruction staff with 5 penetrator.
cloth Proficiencies better than damage?
why using Elec? didnt 9/13 monster has 25% Elec Resistances?

holy and dark use like 4 time more mana does they do more base damage
or just because most monster are not Resistance to it?

Magic proficiency can reduce monster's elemental mitigation.
With imperil, elemental mitigation of most monsters could be reduce to near 0(for Elemental mages).
So generallly 4phase+1cloth build have better performance compared to 5phase.
In point of monster elemental mitigation, no major difference between Wind, Elec, Cold, Fire mages.
Elec and Wind are more popular(and expensive) than Cold and Fire because they are match with willow staves.

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post Dec 14 2018, 14:40
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QUOTE(reigenxd3 @ Dec 14 2018, 13:07) *

didnt read all post about mage.
i need a element Destruction staff with 5 penetrator.
cloth Proficiencies better than damage?
why using Elec? didnt 9/13 monster has 25% Elec Resistances?

holy and dark use like 4 time more mana does they do more base damage
or just because most monster are not Resistance to it?

how equipment condition works,
start lower stats below 100%?


Check this Mage Getting Started page on wiki.

- yes element destruction staff with pen5 spell4 nothing else at your level
- Go for elemental, so no holy or dark. Unless you have unlimited Hath funds. Then go holy.
- With elemental, Wind is best but almost equal to elec. Cold is a bit slower, but still good. Fire is just... not cool.
- You need enough proficiency to get to 0.68 prof factor for elemental mage. With a willow staff, this means probably shoes or gloves of the elementalist. If your prof factor is too low, your damage power is wasted.
- Dark / holy do more damage. Holy most, because it breaches defences as well. but you need a shitload of credits.
- Equipment condiditon: most items that you drop have < 100% condition. They seem to be used by the monsters, I guess.
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post Dec 14 2018, 15:39
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thank you all

didnt mean why equiment has below 100%.
i mean if a weapon is at 70% has it 30 lower damage streght, dex ...?
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post Dec 14 2018, 15:45
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QUOTE(reigenxd3 @ Dec 14 2018, 13:39) *

thank you all

didnt mean why equiment has below 100%.
i mean if a weapon is at 70% has it 30 lower damage streght, dex ...?

No.
If an equipment's condition drops below 50% its effective attributes are reduced until it is repaired.

No difference with 50%+ condition.

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post Dec 14 2018, 21:15
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QUOTE(qr12345 @ Dec 14 2018, 13:37) *
Well, hitting SG for ether tap in order to save some mana potion is feasible I think.

Doing that defeats the purpose of playing mage: clearing stuff fast, which can be achieved with heavy usage of restoratives and buffing items.
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post Dec 15 2018, 00:02
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Dec 15 2018, 03:15) *

Doing that defeats the purpose of playing mage: clearing stuff fast, which can be achieved with heavy usage of restoratives and buffing items.


This is based on the Player's Resource and Notion.
If an Player values his Time higher than the Mana Potion in HV, he doesn't need to do this; if on the Contrary, he can do this.
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post Dec 15 2018, 13:04
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Dec 14 2018, 19:40) *

- With elemental, Wind is best but almost equal to elec. Cold is a bit slower, but still good. Fire is just... not cool.

I'm curious about this one...
why Wind is considered better than other 3 element???
and is this also applied to melee???
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post Dec 15 2018, 14:08
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Dec 15 2018, 12:04) *

I'm curious about this one...
why Wind is considered better than other 3 element???
and is this also applied to melee???


Wind comes with Willow staff, which is nice because of counter resist. And it has a quite useful proc. But elec is equally nice, so there is little difference between them. Maybe in the details of the proc and the spike shield. But that's it.

Melee, it seems cold is best for rapier, or demonic / hallowed. But it is really, really close. Almost no difference. Anything works. For 2h, it seems ethereal is the only way to go.
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post Dec 15 2018, 14:09
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Dec 15 2018, 12:04) *

I'm curious about this one...
why Wind is considered better than other 3 element???
and is this also applied to melee???


First and foremost, weapon availability. Ideally, your staff should have the following:
  • Destruction suffix
  • Innate Counterresist
  • Matching elemental prefix
Willow staff is the only one that satisfies the first two conditions, adding prefix we're down to Wind & Elec.
Now we take a closer look at the spell procs: Wind spells increase miss chance, thus lowering the damage you take and decreasing the number of heals needed (nice). Elec lowers monster evade (basically useless) and resistance (good).
Lastly, we need to take into consideration what kind of enemies you'll be facing: monster resistances
As you can see from the "Total" line at the bottom, Wind resistance is somewhat less prevalent than Elec. Also, among the most common monsters are giants and dragons, which also have rather high HP and thus tend to die more slowly. Both are innately weak to wind attacks (-25), giving it a slight edge above Elec.

There may be more to it, but this should suffice to give you a general idea.

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post Dec 15 2018, 14:21
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Dec 15 2018, 15:08) *

Melee, it seems cold is best for rapier, or demonic / hallowed.

why not ethereal rapier?

is mind control a good spell?

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post Dec 15 2018, 14:33
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QUOTE(reigenxd3 @ Dec 15 2018, 13:21) *

why not ethereal rapier?

With ethereal rapier, you get a random Elemental Strike at IW10, more often than not ending up with something you didn't want. Using an elemental rapier, IW10 gives you Void Strike instead, and you get to choose your elemental strike.
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post Dec 15 2018, 14:39
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QUOTE(reigenxd3 @ Dec 15 2018, 14:21) *

why not ethereal rapier?

Burden doesn't really matter for the heavy armour (or just use Featherweight charm to decrease it).

Ethereal rapier is good as a "blank" one. Stop at Item World level 9 (level 10 gives just random strike).
And use 2 Infusions of your choice to maximize damage based on current day or situation.
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post Dec 15 2018, 15:08
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QUOTE(Rhydin @ Dec 15 2018, 15:09) *

First and foremost, weapon availability. Ideally, your staff should have the following:
  • Destruction suffix
  • Innate Counterresist
  • Matching elemental prefix

why is holy so expensive when it cant have have Destruction suffix
and Innate Counterresist at the same time?


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post Dec 15 2018, 15:36
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QUOTE(reigenxd3 @ Dec 15 2018, 14:08) *

why is holy so expensive when it cant have have Destruction suffix
and Innate Counterresist at the same time?


Destruction suffix is ideal, but going with matching EDB prefix & suffix is still fine. Holy/Dark are also different from elemental mage in that their spells have higher base damage (and casttime, for that matter). Mage is all about killing things fast, and Holy Mage has the greatest damage potential due to Holy proc.

Also, notice that Oak staff cannot have elemental (Fire/Cold) suffix, which means you're stuck with Redwood (no Counterresist), making both elements less popular.
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post Dec 15 2018, 16:29
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QUOTE(Rhydin @ Dec 15 2018, 15:36) *
(no Counterresist)


*No natural counter-resist (which is lower than penetrator 5 - 20 against maximum of 13,6)

QUOTE(tox01 @ Dec 15 2018, 14:39) *

Burden doesn't really matter for the heavy armour (or just use Featherweight charm to decrease it).


*Doesn't matter if = exactly 70 or lower

QUOTE(reigenxd3 @ Dec 15 2018, 14:21) *

is mind control a good spell?


Deprecating spells except imperil (defence debuff) are rarely used, usually it's silence (no magical and special attacks, mostly for low levels without spark or spirit shield), weaken (attack debuff, underrated silence alternative), magnet (no evade and resist).
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post Dec 15 2018, 17:31
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QUOTE(tox01 @ Dec 15 2018, 13:39) *

Burden doesn't really matter for the heavy armour (or just use Featherweight charm to decrease it).

That's not it.
It's more like a rapier usually has less than 7 burden and 7 interference, which can be negated entirely by a feather, thus making it perfectly equivalent to an ethereal regarding that aspect. Furthermore, one wants to have burden on a 1H set to be as close to the 70 as possible. At least for general purpose, because there are cases when one wants as little burden as possible (mostly late IW / PFFEST).
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post Dec 15 2018, 18:09
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Is there a way to find an equipment's unforged scaled stats? Want to compare a legendary phase against a forged mag radiant phase (for 1h mage - I know that legendary plain phase with good roll is better than mag radiant for mage).
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post Dec 15 2018, 18:11
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Is there a way to find an equipment's unforged scaled stats?

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post Dec 15 2018, 18:30
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Is there any link for Peeless Hallowed Oak Staff of Heimdall? I just want to see at least.
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post Dec 15 2018, 18:45
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QUOTE(BioBlue @ Dec 15 2018, 16:30) *

Is there any link for Peeless Hallowed Oak Staff of Heimdall? I just want to see at least.

http://hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&ss=lt&lottery=1458

Btw, I remember there was once 2 Grand Prize PHOH in 2 consecutive days.

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