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post Dec 13 2018, 04:32
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Dec 12 2018, 14:10) *
.... like somebody's argument that shortsword+imperil could be comparable damage wise (if not better?) than rapier...


QUOTE(decondelite @ Dec 12 2018, 14:42) *

Somebody says that his clear times speak by themselves and that he builds the wiki.
PA will never, ever, be remotely equal to Imperil, in absolutely all the aspects.


QUOTE(decondelite @ Dec 13 2018, 01:40) *

And I was talking about overall efficiency just as well. You are the one who decided to bring the conveniency on the table. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


oh come on, I said "damage wise", then you literally said "all aspect" with an "absolute" on it, and now you switch back to "only efficiency" then blame me for mentioning convenience?

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Peerless has Base drop chance of 0.0001%
all trophies have 0.1% chance for Peerless
so 1000 normal drop has the same change as 1 trophy for Peerless.
does that mean play on highter difficulty is pointless
when i can farm trophies on normal because difficulty doesnt change trophies drop from bosses? fix 10%/100%?


according to snowflake I shrined 27million worth of trophies so far, only 1 peerless, and is trash nobody except peerless collector would buy... or maybe two, but either way the other would also be trash too as I forgot about it.
that's how the questionable 0.1% chance look.

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the next problem is to munch exp, i feel like i lvl too fast for tee item i get.

please don't fear leveling up, it's... just... feels wrong.

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i though only cystal and Quality increase. you say Scrolls, elixiers, infusions and so on increase too?

and credit multiplier
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Settings#Challenge_Level

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1. I usually only cast imperil on SG round and RE...
reason being it is inconvenient to cast it on every round when the monster are killed fast enough without imperil for me...


Just put it on a shortcut somewhere and occasionally click it when you feel like doing it, it don't have to hit or anything, only casting it once to get the exp from that round (especially REs as those have 5x exp multiplier)
after the preliminary grind to make it reach around your level, I believe using it only on the daily SGs arena would keep it equally around your level.
Haven't been grinding it at all since around lvl 400 (or 350?) when it reach my level, and it's on 1:1 with my level so far (and I also do almost daily non-imperil run GF where it didn't grown at all).

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post Dec 13 2018, 05:19
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blackjac00's shirining record

T8 trophies

Actual peerless rate far lower than 1/1000.

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post Dec 13 2018, 05:25
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QUOTE(qr12345 @ Dec 13 2018, 04:19) *

blackjac00's shirining record

Actual peerless rate far lower than 1/1000.


More like 1/198765. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 13 2018, 13:46
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"All trophies have 0.1% chance for Peerless" was from
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Loot_Drop_Rolls
is it changed?
QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Dec 13 2018, 05:32) *

please don't fear leveling up, it's... just... feels wrong.

20 times more exp but only 3-6 time more chance feel like that the equipment would too fast need to replaced.
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post Dec 13 2018, 16:56
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Dec 13 2018, 09:32) *

Just put it on a shortcut somewhere and occasionally click it when you feel like doing it, it don't have to hit or anything, only casting it once to get the exp from that round (especially REs as those have 5x exp multiplier)
after the preliminary grind to make it reach around your level, I believe using it only on the daily SGs arena would keep it equally around your level.
Haven't been grinding it at all since around lvl 400 (or 350?) when it reach my level, and it's on 1:1 with my level so far (and I also do almost daily non-imperil run GF where it didn't grown at all).

well, if the goal is to get dep prof around my Lv., I already achieve it then...
atm Lv. 326, my dep prof is sitting on 339.042...
but when casting imperil on SG, sometimes I only need to cast once and sometimes I need to cast it twice or three time to connect...
at worst it even need 4-5 times to cast imperil successfully...
my question is, is it normal to happen when my dep prof is over my Lv.???
or because my WIS which is atm only 330+15 with magic hit rate 93.8%???
should I invest more in WIS, because usually I made it arround Lv.+5 point...

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on another topic, which one is better to upgrade my Magnificent Power Helmet of Protection???
currently I thinking between these one...
Legendary Mithril Power Helmet of Balance
Legendary Cobalt Power Helmet of Balance
or should I just change other eq. first and wait for a slaughter one to come???
my current eq. are these...
Main Shield Helmet Armor Gauntlets Leggings Boots
maybe I need to upgrade my shield first if I want to use them atleast till Lv. 400???
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post Dec 13 2018, 17:37
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QUOTE(reigenxd3 @ Dec 13 2018, 12:46) *

"All trophies have 0.1% chance for Peerless" was from
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Loot_Drop_Rolls
is it changed?

Changed? More like never true in the first place. Who wrote this?
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post Dec 13 2018, 17:46
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 13 2018, 16:37) *

Changed? More like never true in the first place. Who wrote this?


I changed it to:
All trophies have 0.0001% chance for Peerless

I think that's at least closer to reality, based on Blackjac's records.
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post Dec 13 2018, 17:56
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Dec 13 2018, 16:46) *

I changed it to:

Well, when this is also wrong at least i know who to blame this time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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post Dec 13 2018, 18:49
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Dec 13 2018, 16:56) *

on another topic, which one is better to upgrade my Magnificent Power Helmet of Protection???
currently I thinking between these one...
Legendary Mithril Power Helmet of Balance
Legendary Cobalt Power Helmet of Balance
or should I just change other eq. first and wait for a slaughter one to come???
my current eq. are these...
Main Shield Helmet Armor Gauntlets Leggings Boots
maybe I need to upgrade my shield first if I want to use them atleast till Lv. 400???


I would take Cobalt one. Closer to your level, can be used without Soulfusing (you can use it and then sell it back). Has higher chance to get useful Item World bonus (has elemental prefix, -1 in pool for bonus selection). Difference in damage is small ( partially compensated by higher attributes [compared at no or low level forging] ). Difference in cost can be used to forge other items (like weapon)...

I think:
- Yes, you need better helmet (around your level any Legendary or even Magnificent will be better).
- Block-wise shield is okay for your level (compared to a 20 forged 76% Legendary shield your block is less by 5%). But yeah, keep an eye out for a new Legendary one.
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post Dec 13 2018, 19:57
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune) *
Just put it on a shortcut somewhere and occasionally click it when you feel like doing it, especially REs as those have 5x exp multiplier
after the preliminary grind to make it reach around your level, I believe using it only on the daily SGs arena would keep it equally around your level.
Haven't been grinding it at all since around lvl 400 and it's on 1:1 with my level so far

I use the mouse wheel up to cast Imperil. When done this way, only in-between rounds, turns/second need not drop at all. However it is difficult to know exactly when the last monster will die, so you could lose some turns/second there.

I've never used Imperil on schoolgirls (may start soon, as my mana supply is increasing) but my deprecating proficiency is 370 at level 360. I've been casting Weaken (and later Imperil) occasionally when I have too much mana since a very low level. I still feel that Imperil misses a lot at my current level, so single target Imperil isn't that great.

I wish there were a way to choose between single target Imperil and multiple target Imperil depending on how many monsters you are facing, or for it to get automatically cheaper on one monster.
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post Dec 13 2018, 22:51
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QUOTE(Greshnik @ Dec 13 2018, 21:56) *

well, if the goal is to get dep prof around my Lv., I already achieve it then..
atm Lv. 326, my dep prof is sitting on 339.042...
but when casting imperil on SG, sometimes I only need to cast once and sometimes I need to cast it twice or three time to connect...
at worst it even need 4-5 times to cast imperil successfully...
my question is, is it normal to happen when my dep prof is over my Lv.???
or because my WIS which is atm only 330+15 with magic hit rate 93.8%???
should I invest more in WIS, because usually I made it arround Lv.+5 point...


pretty much normal, even with my 0.37 depre prof factor and penetrator 5 on mage (637/465, 51.9% depre counter resist according to sssss2's HV utils) sometimes it still take 2-3 cast for them to connect.

QUOTE(reigenxd3 @ Dec 13 2018, 18:46) *

20 times more exp but only 3-6 time more chance feel like that the equipment would too fast need to replaced.


that's why you buy from auction and soulfuse, and unless you're maging, some cheap magnificent equipments are fine too.

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shield is not SDE, so it's relatively cheap, the armor is a cobalt slaughter, and I did PFFest with these equipment without any problem...

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post Dec 14 2018, 06:24
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QUOTE(magiclamp @ Dec 11 2018, 20:15) *

Using phone currently so can't type much, but you probably can benefit from getting a cotton of the elementalist as your effective elemental proficiency is a bit low.

Thank you, Much appreciated (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
but could I ask why cotton? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE(Ikki Pop @ Dec 11 2018, 21:05) *

STR -> 0
DEX -> your level / 2
AGI = END -> your level
INT = WIS -> as much as possible

EP elemental -> 660, get some shoes of elementalist

Better Imperil -> MAXIMIZE RIGHT NOW!!!
Better Arcane Focus -> maximize

don't waste points on unused elements, add them to magnet and silence for example, they're usefull against FSM and Dragons

Thank you very much, I really appreciate the detail. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

QUOTE(qr12345 @ Dec 11 2018, 21:30) *

Get a better staff, forge it and get at least Penetrator5 if you are going to play at PFU.
I know it is costly, but it is a must for playing mage.
The impact of level scaling is moderate at your level so you may think this is not necessary,
but when you come around 400 it is very difficult to play at PFU with Magnificent build.
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QUOTE(Ikki Pop @ Dec 12 2018, 02:05) *

DEX -> your level / 2

Too low.
It should be similar to your level to get some parry chance.


Thank you for the info and direction about my staff.
I'm not gonna worry about my DEX, maybe I'll compromise DEX = 3/4 MyLevel (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 11 2018, 22:23) *

Extra spirit points means absolutly nothing for mages. They dont use spirit stance so the only use for them is the Spirit Shield and SoL and both dont use Spirit points as points but as percantages so having a few SP more or less means literally nothing.

Thank you appreciate the reply.
However spirit is important because of "Spark of Life" and since I play @ PFUDOR I get sparked back to life fairly often. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I also use Spirit Shield in tough battles

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post Dec 14 2018, 06:51
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QUOTE(Goodman2011 @ Dec 14 2018, 05:34) *

Thank you appreciate the reply.
However spirit is important because of "Spark of Life" and since I play @ PFUDOR I get sparked back to life fairly often. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I also use Spirit Shield in tough battles

You know that i am talking about SoL and Spirit Shield in the quote of me you have in your post? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) They both take a percentage. SoL uses all the time 50% of your SP. So when you have lets 1000 SP, it uses 500 SP. When you now increase your SP by lets say whole 100. SoL will use 550 SP. So having more SP means nothing in this case. And the same goes for Spirit Shield. When an hits you hard enough to trigger it and the attack will take lets say 5%. This attack will take 5% no matter what. Those 5% dont care if they are now made of 100 or 1000 SP. And no i didnt say that every usage of the Spirit Shield cost 5% it was just an example to show why as a mage you dont actually benefit from more SP. It doesnt hurt, it doesnt help you. It is just there.

And do you really have to make a new post for every single post you answer? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Dec 14 2018, 07:10
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QUOTE(Goodman2011 @ Dec 13 2018, 23:24) *

Thank you, Much appreciated (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
but could I ask why cotton? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


Cotton is the only type of cloth armor that has the "of the elementalist" suffix, which provides bonuses to your elemental proficiency. Elemental proficiency is important because they:

1) Provide counter-resist and elemental mitigation reduction (which is crucial at higher difficulties)
2) Reduce the cast time of spells
3) Reduce mana cost of spells

Even ignoring 2) and 3), 1) is significant enough that you would want your proficiency factor (effective proficiency divided by your level) to be somewhat close to 1.7, which (I think) is not possible unless you have at least one piece of your armor being a cotton of the elementalist.

What difficulty are you playing at, and what is your typical spells sequence for a round (e.g. imperil all monsters, then electric spells until they are dead?).

As a side note, if you are not planning to upgrade your armor soon, I would send it off for IW service (simple IW - they are not worth specific potencies IW) and then soulfuse. Same thing for the staff, though I second the suggestion to upgrade staff if you have funds - aim for a shocking willow staff (with a good suffix - preferably destruction). Legendary Shocking Willow Staff of Destruction will be out of your price range unless you are lucky (I got my staff for 350k, but I think normally even with those rolls you are probably looking at a bit higher than that), but magnificent shocking willow of destruction or a legendary staff with non-optimal suffixes should still be decent upgrades.

Also, not sure if you are actually trying 1h mage with the waki & buckler in your post - those are not what you want for 1h mage, but I'll hold off on explanations since I assume you are probably using staff 100% of the time.
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post Dec 14 2018, 07:16
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 14 2018, 05:51) *

And do you really have to make a new post for every single post you answer? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Aye. Multi-quote is the way.
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 14 2018, 06:16) *

Aye. Multi-quote is the way.

Yeah, that has never worked for me. So i just quote, write my answer and just copy past the whole post and quote another post when i actually need to. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)
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post Dec 14 2018, 08:02
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 13 2018, 23:51) *

You know that i am talking about SoL and Spirit Shield in the quote of me you have in your post? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) They both take a percentage. SoL uses all the time 50% of your SP. So when you have lets 1000 SP, it uses 500 SP. When you now increase your SP by lets say whole 100. SoL will use 550 SP. So having more SP means nothing in this case. And the same goes for Spirit Shield. When an hits you hard enough to trigger it and the attack will take lets say 5%. This attack will take 5% no matter what. Those 5% dont care if they are now made of 100 or 1000 SP. And no i didnt say that every usage of the Spirit Shield cost 5% it was just an example to show why as a mage you dont actually benefit from more SP. It doesnt hurt, it doesnt help you. It is just there.

And do you really have to make a new post for every single post you answer? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Thanks, and sorry for all the posts. I thought I was thanking different people for different posts so that is why I made different posts replying to each of them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Ok I just read wiki on spells: SOL Do not know what is "enough" and how is it derived?
I thought it was 10% of base SP. But it does not state that and I quote:
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Anyway, so your saying doesn't matter how much you have to begin with, because the point at which SOL does not trigger because spirit is too low, is the same fraction/percentage ~4 triggers.

Thanks

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Ok I just read wiki on spells: SOL Do not know what is "enough" and how is it derived?

Ehm, it is kinda obvious. I mean you did even quote the answer yourself. When SoL does consume 50% of your SP, so enough had to be enough for it to consume, so 50% and above.

Btw i dont know this because i dont use SoL, but i wonder does it really use 50% of the whole SP? Can a SoL use confirm this? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 14 2018, 13:10) *

Ehm, it is kinda obvious. I mean you did even quote the answer yourself. When SoL does consume 50% of your SP, so enough had to be enough for it to consume, so 50% and above.

Btw i dont know this because i dont use SoL, but i wonder does it really use 50% of the whole SP? Can a SoL use confirm this? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


I believe it's base spirit and since almost everyone slot SP tank ability (+100%), it ended up using 25% of max SP or something.
and yeah, that's about right I guess..

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max SP is 1956
0.75*1956 = 1467
after spark is 1452 (1437 before 15 SP refreshment), quite possible it wasn't 100% full when it sparked or something.
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QUOTE(Goodman2011 @ Dec 14 2018, 07:02) *

Thanks, and sorry for all the posts. I thought I was thanking different people for different posts so that is why I made different posts replying to each of them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Ok I just read wiki on spells: SOL Do not know what is "enough" and how is it derived?
I thought is was 10% of base SP. But it does not state that and I quote:
Anyway, so your saying doesn't matter how much you have to begin with, because the point at which SOL does not trigger because spirit is too low, is the same fraction/percentage ~4 triggers.

Thanks


The threshold is calculated in Monsterbation: minSP = 0.5-0.5*spboost/(spboost+100)

That formula seems to work. So the boost skills have use, but the base SP does nothing. It doesn't matter if you start with 1000, or 2000 full. It's all percentages.
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