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post Nov 3 2018, 18:37
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why riddle not restore spirit?
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post Nov 3 2018, 18:40
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QUOTE(Ikki Pop @ Nov 3 2018, 17:37) *

why riddle not restore spirit?

Because! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Nov 3 2018, 21:37
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The Niten Ichiryu fighting style doesn't benefit from DW Damage (the ability) at all, right?

I don't see why it would, considering it's not listed under Niten Ichiryu's abilities, but I just wanted to make sure.
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post Nov 3 2018, 22:16
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QUOTE(HypnoFan1950 @ Nov 3 2018, 20:37) *

The Niten Ichiryu fighting style doesn't benefit from DW Damage (the ability) at all, right?

I don't see why it would, considering it's not listed under Niten Ichiryu's abilities, but I just wanted to make sure.


yup sure
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post Nov 3 2018, 22:57
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Nov 3 2018, 13:16) *

yup sure

I'm assuming by "yup sure", you mean that I was correct in my assumption.
If so, thanks for the response. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'm trying to justify switching to Niten Ichiryu, but I don't think I will, since regular Dual-Wielding seems better overall.
I'll probably mess around with Niten Ichiryu for a little while just for fun, and then switch back afterwards.
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post Nov 3 2018, 23:03
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QUOTE(Ikki Pop) *
why riddle not restore spirit?

Since I'm currently playing 1H, I also wish it would restore spirit. However perhaps the answer is because it would not be fair to DW and styles which do not use much spirit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Nov 3 2018, 23:11
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However perhaps the answer is because it would not be fair to DW and styles which do not use much spirit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Nope. The answer is just because! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Nov 4 2018, 03:57
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Is the drop chance of PA the same in IW and PF?
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post Nov 4 2018, 06:11
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Every mode have different drop bonus\malus, see here and here for more info on the changes made by Battle Modes and Difficulty.
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post Nov 4 2018, 06:24
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Links? I mean you did post two links one of them even completly worthless to answer his question, instead of just telling him that only his Archaeologist training does actual affect the drop chance for PA? Why? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Nov 4 2018, 06:54
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Nov 4 2018, 06:24) *

Links? I mean you did post two links one of them even completly worthless to answer his question, instead of just telling him that only his Archaeologist training does actual affect the drop chance for PA? Why? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


Does it mean the answer of my question is YES?

But according to my statistics, IW seemed dropping less than PF. The sample size of each is 10,000rounds.

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post Nov 4 2018, 07:07
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QUOTE(Atypical @ Nov 4 2018, 05:54) *

Does it mean the answer of my question is YES?

But according to my statistics, IW seemed dropping less than PF. The sample size of each is 10,000rounds.

Yeah, afaik the answer to your question is yes.

So you did two whole GF and just compared them? Sorry mate, but just two isnt enough to say that there is a difference. You have to keep in mind in the end it is all RNG, so of course how many PA drop in a GF can and will vary. I had a GF not long ago when i just got a single PA and that with Archaeologist 10. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Such things can happen.

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post Nov 4 2018, 07:47
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Nov 4 2018, 07:07) *

So you did two whole GF and just compared them?


Not 2 but 20 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
In fact, I have about 300 whole GF droplog in PF. I think 300 is enough.
But only 10 in IW at present. Maybe 10 isn't enough.

Alright, I'm going to extend my IW drop data to find out a exact answer before I improve Archaeologist. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Nov 4 2018, 07:54
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QUOTE(Atypical @ Nov 4 2018, 06:47) *

Not 2 but 20 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
In fact, I have about 300 whole GF droplog in PF. I think 300 is enough.


But in that 300 you must have encounter some fluctuations in the amount of dropped PA by yourself. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

QUOTE(Atypical @ Nov 4 2018, 06:47) *

But only 10 in IW at present. Maybe 10 isn't enough.


Hm, iirc in a GF only for Hell or below the drop chances for PA and chaos token are reduced. And when i compare the few GF results i have keeped, IWTH and PFUDOR are more or less the same when it comes to PA. For every difference i just blame RNG. I may be wrong, but i doubt that.
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post Nov 4 2018, 08:35
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I kinda want to see whether some of the first stages of Arena worth playing economically since I just got Token of Blood from first Arena.

Considering ToB worth around 8Kc, along with guaranteed min average equipment makes the first 2 stages of arena seems pretty interesting since it's super short.

Will get back after getting some data mmm...

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post Nov 4 2018, 22:15
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I misread PA. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

The fact is that the more you advance in PF the more drop bonus you get, i seen most player say that the last 200 rounds of PF are worth more than the first 800.

So teorically if you can do a full PF without problem is is possible worth more than 10 IW even in terms of PA but the real problem, as other say, is RNG.

You can get 3 PA in a 100 IW rounds or 0 over 500 rounds (i got 2 PA in First Blood, and 0 from all the top 3 arena).
The same happen to PF, i have done a low amount of them, just 10 or so (too long, too boring, it made me near leave the game again), but i got a wide gap on PA drops, like from 5 to over 10 (with Archeologist 10).

The best way to get Artifacts is Archeologist 10 and get all the RE you can every day.

Then, if you play a lot and normally use ED to recharge do complete PF, it's worth it, if not go with the top 3 arena in PFUDOR, do IW only if needed due to the lowest drops of other things (IW is made expecially for increase the equipment power, that the bonus you get).

Lastly, as Uncle Stu say IWBTH and PFUDOR GF yeld probably near the same artifact drop ratio cause the total bonus from one another is really low in difference, it's just that PFUDOR offer a best drop ratio overall, so one player have to select carefully the best difficulty to use to get the max out of it.

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post Nov 4 2018, 23:15
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QUOTE(Maharid @ Nov 4 2018, 21:15) *

I misread PA. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

Oh.

QUOTE(Maharid @ Nov 4 2018, 21:15) *

The fact is that the more you advance in PF the more drop bonus you get, i seen most player say that the last 200 rounds of PF are worth more than the first 800.

Hm? What PFUDOR drop bonus are you talking about? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Oh, i guess the PF is a typo and means GF, is that possible?

QUOTE(Maharid @ Nov 4 2018, 21:15) *

it's just that PFUDOR offer a best drop ratio overall, so one player have to select carefully the best difficulty to use to get the max out of it.

I guess you mean the PL bonus. But at his level he has allready reached the max so there should be no difference for that between IWTBH and PFUDOR for him.

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post Nov 5 2018, 06:58
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PF -> PfudorFest -> GrindFest on PFUDOR, i seen it called this way so much that i automatically use PF when i talk of GF (IF for IWBTH?).

Not only the PL bonus, you have a better drop ratio on PFUDOR: more experience, more Crystals, a better quality roll overall and minimum Superior quality equipment.

If you are strong enough this yeld a better overall income, if not IWBTH is more fast and easy to play so it can compensate.

I play always on PFUDOR, the IWBTH yeld little improvement to me (less than a minute on DWD, 5 minutes or so in GF).
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post Nov 5 2018, 14:24
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But even in this case there is afaik only a drop bonus for crystals. And that bonus gets only more until round 500. So the last 500 rounds are completly equal except the clear bonus.
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post Nov 5 2018, 17:54
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Nov 5 2018, 13:24) *

But even in this case there is afaik only a drop bonus for crystals. And that bonus gets only more until round 500. So the last 500 rounds are completly equal except the clear bonus.


To make sure I understand:
- the last 500 rounds of PFFEST are equal to each other. and PFFEST has a clear bonus of 5000c. The last 500 rounds of IWFEST are equal to each other, but yield less crystals than the last 500 rounds of PFFEST.

In short: I like PFFEST.
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