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What all can I do to improve my odds of receiving token drops? I know you can increase the drop rate with Scavenger and Tokenizer, but does anything else affect it?

Hm, the only thing i could think of except from what you allready said is play more. The more rounds you actually play of whatever the higher the chance for a token to drop. By that way i did enough blood token together to play one FSM and Konata for a more than a week even if i would stop play anythingelse. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Hm, the only thing i could think of except from what you allready said is play more. The more rounds you actually play of whatever the higher the chance for a token to drop. By that way i did enough blood token together to play one FSM and Konata for a more than a week even if i would stop play anythingelse. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Wait, so the higher level arenas have a higher drop rate? I thought there was just a static token drop rate for clearing an arena, maybe modified by difficulty.

I'd been spending all my game time playing through the low-round arenas on higher difficulty when it sounds like I should have been playing the high-round arenas on Normal instead.

Is that right?

Is that right?

No, where did you read that in my post? I just meant play more. Rounds was here just an overall description, i could also have said kill more monster. So as an example, one who does all the arenas every day and lets say 500 rounds of GF or IW every day, get more token as one who just does the arenas.

Also no one should play on normal. You just get so much less credits, worse equipment drops and so on, as even on hard or hell. You should really play on the highest difficulty you can play in a way you have fun. I say that to prevent one from reading just highest and play in a way he feels so week and slow it just isnt enjoyable to play.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Oct 13 2018, 03:56

No, where did you read that in my post?

I think it was a combination of you saying:

The more rounds you actually play of whatever the higher the chance for a token to drop.

Alongside me having just seen the wiki saying:

Blood and Chaos Tokens are primarily obtained as Arena and Ring of Blood clear bonus drops

These two things combined to make me think that Arenas with higher round counts have a higher drop rate for their Clear Bonuses.

Also no one should play on normal. You just get so much less credits, worse equipment drops and so on, as even on hard or hell. You should really play on the highest difficulty you can play in a way you have fun. I say that to prevent one from reading just highest and play in a way he feels so week and slow it just isnt enjoyable to play.

I was planning to play on Normal just to speed things up. Right now my main goal is Chaos Tokens. Lower difficulty means quicker arenas means more clear bonuses within my available game time.

These two things combined to make me think that Arenas with higher round counts have a higher drop rate for their Clear Bonuses.

Oh, well that is correct afaik.

I was planning to play on Normal just to speed things up. Right now my main goal is Chaos Tokens. Lower difficulty means quicker arenas means more clear bonuses within my available game time.

But your know that you really loose quite a bit when you do that? And iirc token even have a reduced chance to drop as a normal drop. Personally i would suggest to play at least on hell and when you actually want more token, save the money to buy enough hath for tokenizer, i promise if you actually want chaos tokens it will really be worth it.

Wasnt there a limitation of how many rounds you can play on normal before you actually get reduced drops? Cant find something about it in the wiki right now, but i am quite sure to remember something about it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Oct 13 2018, 04:23

But your know that you really loose quite a bit when you do that? And iirc token even have a reduced chance to drop as a normal drop. Personally i would suggest to play at least on hell and when you actually want more token, save the money to buy enough hath for tokenizer, i promise if you actually want chaos tokens it will really be worth it.

I really just want to get another 14 Chaos Tokens so that I can get my 10th monster (I want to get to double digits to test some scripts I wrote). I really wish you could just BUY Chaos Tokens.
I'll go back to worrying about credits and equipment after that.

Wasnt there a limitation of how many rounds you can play on normal before you actually get reduced drops? Cant find something about it in the wiki right now, but i am quite sure to remember something about it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

The only round limit I see is actually the <10% Stamina limit. Although while researching I did find out that playing below Hell does "Lower [the] drop chance for artifacts and tokens when doing Grindfest and Item World". It doesn't seem to affect the Arena apparently. Still good to know though.

I really just want to get another 14 Chaos Tokens so that I can get my 10th monster

Oh. Okay.

I really wish you could just BUY Chaos Tokens.

I really hope that this will never happen.

The only round limit I see is actually the <10% Stamina limit. Although while researching I did find out that playing below Hell does "Lower [the] drop chance for artifacts and tokens when doing Grindfest and Item World". It doesn't seem to affect the Arena apparently. Still good to know though.

Maybe this was changed in an update and i just never notice it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

What all can I do to improve my odds of receiving token drops? I know you can increase the drop rate with Scavenger and Tokenizer, but does anything else affect it?

You could artificially increase the drop rate of all other items, not specifically tokens, by reaching the cap in your equipment inventory, making the roll for an equip drop immediately fail and going straight for the other rolls, as seen here.

As long as you aren't paranoid about missing a Legendary or Peerless drop that could be worth millions, and are adamant on farming oly tokens, then this might help.

I tought someone tested this and the result was just that the equipment that still droped was lost. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I tought someone tested this and the result was just that the equipment that still droped was lost. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I'm not sure how the drops really work, but considering the low chance for successful artifact and token drops, it's a lot more likely that you will get normal items, crystals and credits, so it's possible that the person testing ended up getting more restoratives and crystals and it went unnoticed, as it's a lot harder to track changes in these than artifacts and tokens.

I'm not sure how the drops really work, but considering the low chance for successful artifact and token drops, it's a lot more likely that you will get normal items, crystals and credits, so it's possible that the person testing ended up getting more restoratives and crystals and it went unnoticed, as it's a lot harder to track changes in these than artifacts and tokens.

Iirc the result was no different at all, except that all still droped equipment pieces had no place to go and vanish into the void where everything goes to when it leaves bazaar for good. Just dont ask me who did it or where it is writen.

Quick question, how do you guys decide what to bazaar and what to salvage?

I have like a million superior items. Do I bazaar the ones worth the most and salvage the cheapest ones?
Salvage specific ones?
Wat :S

Quick question, how do you guys decide what to bazaar and what to salvage?

I have like a million superior items. Do I bazaar the ones worth the most and salvage the cheapest ones?
Salvage specific ones?
Wat :S

One option is to use HV Utils, input the price of materials that you will get from salvaging and let the script calculate. Quite neat.


I did not touch some of the numbers in the script so might be a bit off. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Quick question, how do you guys decide what to bazaar and what to salvage?

I have like a million superior items. Do I bazaar the ones worth the most and salvage the cheapest ones?
Salvage specific ones?
Wat :S

If you're not into wasting your time in micromanagement to have small benefits of a few kC, then do like those who don't care and bazaar everything except Mag+ woods and clothes. Not to mention that at some point, if you've got enough monsters the only thing you might really need to buy are scraps and energy cells.

gocha, thanks!

Wasnt there a limitation of how many rounds you can play on normal before you actually get reduced drops? Cant find something about it in the wiki right now, but i am quite sure to remember something about it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

afaik it was after 1000 round of battle on normal-nightmare on grindfest/IW, maxed between 25% to 75% global drop chance decrease after 2000 round, hence hellfest was a thing to speed up clear time (or other reason) but nobody suggest grindfest on nightmare or hard.

But it was changed at 0.85, You could check the changelog, battle/balance section, 2 last points.

afaik it was after 1000 round of battle on normal-nightmare on grindfest/IW, maxed between 25% to 75% global drop chance decrease after 2000 round, hence hellfest was a thing to speed up clear time (or other reason) but nobody suggest grindfest on nightmare or hard.

But it was changed at 0.85, You could check the changelog, battle/balance section, 2 last points.

Oh, so it was changed. Thanks for telling me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

which staff should a freeze mage equip? Arctic willow Staff of
Destruction ?

which staff should a freeze mage equip? Arctic willow Staff of
Destruction ?

yes that would work as cheap starter staff.
Legendary Arctic Willow Staff of Destruction like this one - cheap.

But if you want to go end-game with freeze:
Legendary Arctic Redwood Staff of Destruction and then fully forged an IW, like it was before I salvaged it.

is it worth to salvage mag metal equipment anymore? I see the wtb price for HGM is 450c at most, i think the lowest bazaar price for a mag metal would be 800c and in contrast their salvaged counterpart would be a HGM (450c) + 2 scrap metal (2*90c)= 630c
I answered my own question I guess, though you can tell me otherwise if there's something wrong with my reasoning