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post Sep 29 2018, 10:43
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 29 2018, 06:49) *

hmm.... nope. 500 for MG, it tells me 26.3k are needed. 400, 23.3k.

800M looks like the bug from the previous version, which had a multiplication where there should've been an addition - only on ADB though.


QUOTE(3534 @ Sep 11 2018, 18:09) *

Well, i dont know the formula. But scremaz did made a excel spreadsheet for this. Here is the link.
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...p;#entry4790550

Oh, this is what I want.
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And does "Forge_Cost_Calculator_1.20.zip" have a new version?

I found that :
"Forge Cost Calculator_1.20.xlsx">"cost calc (multi)">"subtot">"N5"
>"=(E5*F5+H5*$H$20*I5*$I$20+J5*$J$20+K5*$K$20+..."

Is it should be
>"=(E5*F5+H5*$H$20+I5*$I$20+J5*$J$20+K5*$K$20+..." ? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
N5~N17 are so on.

Although there is script to do the calculation... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


Is it this?
Not only on ADB(N5), N5~N17 are same bugs...

Actually, because I'm a mage and forge less, I'm still v1.20...sorry...

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post Sep 29 2018, 11:32
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Is it worth buying legendaries before 500?
And follow up if its worth should i soullink em?
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post Sep 29 2018, 12:17
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QUOTE(3534 @ Sep 29 2018, 10:43) *

Is it this?
Not only on ADB(N5), N5~N17 are same bugs...

Actually, because I'm a mage and forge less, I'm still v1.20...sorry...

pretty sure i checked it, and only ADB had that issue...
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post Sep 29 2018, 13:35
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QUOTE(qwerty123321kutas @ Sep 29 2018, 12:32) *

Is it worth buying legendaries before 500?
And follow up if its worth should i soullink em?


It depends on what Legendary and why are you buying/soulfusing it, but yes, why not?
Or you mean buying lvl 500 Legendary?

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post Sep 29 2018, 14:15
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 29 2018, 18:17) *

pretty sure i checked it, and only ADB had that issue...

I checked v1.21...

my bad...
not "same" bugs, it's "similar" bugs.
My poor English... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
let me try to explain it...

"N5=(E5*F5+H5*$H$20 * I5*$I$20+J5*$J$20+K5*$K$20+L5*$L$20+M5*$M$20)/1000"

it mean (if I understand it correctly):
"subtot[kC]=
(
OneBindCost*BindAmount
+
LGAmount*OneLGCost
*
MGAmount*OneMGCost
+
HGAmount*OneHGCost
+
RobustAmount*OneRobustCost
+
VibrantAmount*OneVibrantCost
+
CoruscAmount*OneCoruscCost
)
/1000"

It should've be:
"subtot[kC]=
(
OneBindCost*BindAmount
+
LGAmount*OneLGCost
+
MGAmount*OneMGCost
+
HGAmount*OneHGCost
+
RobustAmount*OneRobustCost
+
VibrantAmount*OneVibrantCost
+
CoruscAmount*OneCoruscCost
)
/1000"

N5~N17 are "similar" bugs.

for example,
N17=(E17*F17+H17*$H$20 * I17*$I$20+J17*$J$20+K17*$K$20+L17*$L$20+M17*$M$20)/1000

It should've be:
N17=(E17*F17+H17*$H$20 + I17*$I$20+J17*$J$20+K17*$K$20+L17*$L$20+M17*$M$20)/1000
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post Sep 29 2018, 16:35
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damn! you're right. did a half-job for some reasons. thank you!

[edit]: aaand... updated!

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post Sep 29 2018, 21:34
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QUOTE(qwerty123321kutas @ Sep 29 2018, 06:32) *

Is it worth buying legendaries before 500?
And follow up if its worth should i soullink em?

Short answer, it depends.

Is it an upgrade to the equipment you are currently using, like it has all primary attributes present, has a better prefix/suffix, or simply better stats overall?

If so and it has an affordable price, sure. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If it's expensive, then you might hold on to your credits and keep looking for more options to appear.

If it's not much of an upgrade, then unless you plan on heavily upgrading the equipment, the difference in stats shouldn't matter so much until you find something better to settle on.

And about soulfusing, if you have enough fragments and have no intent on reselling the equipment later, then sure.

You can still salvage soulfused equipment later on if you used expensive materials on it, so there's not many downsides other than losing the option to trade it.

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post Sep 29 2018, 21:47
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Hi, I use my phone to play HV, is there a way to get an equipment's link in Android?
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post Sep 30 2018, 01:04
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Sep 29 2018, 13:35) *

It depends on what Legendary and why are you buying/soulfusing it, but yes, why not?
Or you mean buying lvl 500 Legendary?


I mean legendaries within my soullink range, statwise are rather good but fixes arent what im aiming for, should i go for it or wait till i find something aimed directly at my spec?
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post Sep 30 2018, 01:48
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QUOTE(qwerty123321kutas @ Sep 30 2018, 02:04) *

I mean legendaries within my soullink range, statwise are rather good but fixes arent what im aiming for, should i go for it or wait till i find something aimed directly at my spec?


Depends on price and fixes you want (for example savage is overrated, but charged/radiant is necessary for good build)
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post Sep 30 2018, 03:54
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I'm upgrading my Shield just now and i can confirm that there is the need for 13 Robust, 12 Vibrant and 25 Coruscating Catalyst for each upgrade (Legendary Shield).

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post Sep 30 2018, 06:53
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QUOTE(qwerty123321kutas @ Sep 30 2018, 06:04) *

I mean legendaries within my soullink range, statwise are rather good but fixes arent what im aiming for, should i go for it or wait till i find something aimed directly at my spec?


It's definitely worth it, getting somewhat decent legendaries before you change it to better late game item are necessary spending in my opinion mmm...

And you won't really use that much soul fragment so it's just better if you start using it (and keep collecting it since RE is one of the best source of income and exp) mmm...

But you might want to balance it with "Farming" upgrade both from training and perks, so try to hunt some good equipments that you'll use for a long time (I suggest you join the auction every week) while also upgrading your training mmm...
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post Sep 30 2018, 09:54
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Quick questions for experienced mages.
1) IIRC, my prof factor should idally be at least 0.67. Do I remember right? If so, why that value?
2) To achieve that prof factor, if I go for a 3 phase + 2 cotton setup, which equipment piece should be besides my peerless cotton robe? The cap, the gloves or the shoes?
3) In order to blast my way through arenas, imperil elemental style, considering that I don't really need cast speed, I should chose a Frugal Cotton, right?
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post Sep 30 2018, 10:21
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Sep 30 2018, 07:54) *

Quick questions for experienced mages.
1) IIRC, my prof factor should idally be at least 0.67. Do I remember right? If so, why that value?
2) To achieve that prof factor, if I go for a 3 phase + 2 cotton setup, which equipment piece should be besides my peerless cotton robe? The cap, the gloves or the shoes?
3) In order to blast my way through arenas, imperil elemental style, considering that I don't really need cast speed, I should chose a Frugal Cotton, right?


I am not very experienced but still:
2) You should find the best slot which will reduce you EDB the least in such order: shoes>gloves>cap>pants>robe. It depends on your current base prof, not some ideal prof factor at lv500 with 600 base prof forged50 etc.
3) Frugal is better than plain cotton anyway, through the price should be more or less the same unless with a peerless stat

And for 1):
QUOTE(cirrux @ Sep 20 2017, 12:42) *

This is an approximation of the elemental mitigations of monsters credits to someone else (pm me if you want the credit/removed):
(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/076qbk4.png)

Mages have the most problems killing monsters with a lot of hp - Arthropod, Dragonkin, Giant, Undead. Wind has lower elemental mitigation for dragonkin. Thus it has a slight advantage.

Side note: wind seems to recently have less competition for its charged pieces. It'd still be best for you to base your element on whichever one you can get a good staff for. Stats to look out for: mdb, edb, cr, dep prof, ele prof, in that order

QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Sep 20 2017, 16:04) *

That's why you get 0.68+ prof factor so you can reduce the monsters mitigation by 68, leaving all elements pretty much equal (and now there are even 2 days of the week where the mitigation is further reduced).


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post Sep 30 2018, 10:51
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Sep 30 2018, 15:54) *

Quick questions for experienced mages.
1) IIRC, my prof factor should idally be at least 0.67. Do I remember right? If so, why that value?
2) To achieve that prof factor, if I go for a 3 phase + 2 cotton setup, which equipment piece should be besides my peerless cotton robe? The cap, the gloves or the shoes?
3) In order to blast my way through arenas, imperil elemental style, considering that I don't really need cast speed, I should chose a Frugal Cotton, right?

Advantage for elemental. Only shoes are needed to fulfill the prof requirement. Or gloves. 4.1 times edb to 4.2 times edb, not a significant difference.4 phases+ cotton Shoes=Highest edb combination
I saw you bid on a robe. Unfornately it’s useless. I suggest gloves, prof fully upgraded, or shoes if you have high assimilatiors or high profs already. Should be easy to get the 0.68
I’d say 2~3 charged+ 4spellweavers on staff, making yourself cast less cures, comfortably finishing Arenas. In fact, frugal does nothing because elementals cast the least mana. As soon as you get the 0.68, mana elixirs should never be needed.
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post Sep 30 2018, 11:07
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I ain't got the credits to go on a rampage and forge 50 anything you know. So let's be a bit more realistic and keep it at the peerless cotton robe and another side piece of equipment, both witrh moderate forging.
As for the mana cost, I already don't need any elixir, but I wish I don't even need potions either, or at least less often. Stopping to use a potion represents a big loss of time.

@Lostwizard:
Thanks. I thought it was something along those lines, but I wanted to be sure. However, I'd like to point out that nowadays our average monsters are more powerful than before (starting with way more PL2250), so frankly I think that aiming above 0.68 should be advised. Not to mention that more counter-resist is always a good idea.
Does it also mean that I can go with any prof factor (that provides a minimum of counter-resist) if I want to go Dark mage for the SG arenas, considering that the SGs have -1% mitigation against dark?

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post Sep 30 2018, 11:15
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Sep 30 2018, 09:07) *

I ain't got the credits to go on a rampage and forge 50 anything you know. So let's be a bit more realistic and keep it at the peerless cotton robe and another side piece of equipment, both witrh moderate forging.
As for the mana cost, I already don't need any elixir, but I wish I don't even need potions either, or at least less often. Stopping to use a potion represents a big loss of time.


I think Scremaz's mage prof calculator can already solve your problems regarding to prof factor:
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4954202

You can even simulate any equip level & base stat & forge level and determine which cotton slot with how much forging you need to reach prof factor.

But I think 3+2 including robe cotton for elemental mage imperil style would be quite bad, you might regret it if you decided to invest and use this build for long term. Or you will plan to play non-imperil style laterally.

QUOTE(decondelite @ Sep 30 2018, 09:07) *

@Lostwizard:
Thanks. I thought it was something along those lines, but I wanted to be sure. However, I'd like to point out that nowadays our average monsters are more powerful than before (starting with way more PL2250), so frankly I think that aiming above 0.68 should be advised. Not to mention that more counter-resist is always a good idea.
Does it also mean that I can go with any prof factor (that provides a minimum of counter-resist) if I want to go Dark mage for the SG arenas, considering that the SGs have -1% mitigation against dark?


Some say 0.75-0.78 prof factor for elemental would be better if you afraid 0.68 is not enough. And it is not that hard to reach such prof factor if you use good enough prof cotton.
For such Dark or Holy mage it could work, but on SGS only. Practically you are not only facing SGS boss in Arena, other monsters could damage you badly. IIRC Sapo84 mentioned that Holy non-imperil 4+1 is still slightly better than 5 radiant in ED & EoD, while 5 radiant work better in DwD, and 3+2 for the rest Arena. Thought such build is heavily forged, I think it is still applicable when your are considering your spell damage only.

If you are planning to clear other Arena besides the SGS, it is always better to consider your prof factor.

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Actually I'm already fully geared to play 4+1, both a charged and a radiant set, but I don't reach 0.68 yet because I haven't trained my proficiency. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
I was only afraid it wouldn't be enough to be really efficient. I was also wondering if losing some proficiency to have only a small increase of 20%-25% in elemental power was really advisable.

Let's say I will forge everything once I finally get back a decent credit balance... and reach Lvl400.
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Sep 30 2018, 10:38) *

I was also wondering if losing some proficiency to have only a small increase of 20%-25% in elemental power was really advisable.


5 phase probably not applicable in most cases, except you know what you can do with such build.

I used to play fire mage with 5 phase 0 forge at~lv. 400, and I knew my build was sh!t in terms of EDB & prof. I tried 3+2 plain gloves & shoes and found losing CS and EDB would be terrbile for my build. Hence I used 5 phase instead.

Such build was barely playable in Arena and even fking full GF x20 painfully, but as soon as I reached higher lv like ~420, 5 phase became terrible and that's the moment I realized why lastwizard was being called lostwizard (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Sep 30 2018, 16:29
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Sep 30 2018, 04:07) *

I ain't got the credits to go on a rampage and forge 50 anything you know. So let's be a bit more realistic and keep it at the peerless cotton robe and another side piece of equipment, both witrh moderate forging.
As for the mana cost, I already don't need any elixir, but I wish I don't even need potions either, or at least less often. Stopping to use a potion represents a big loss of time.



You don't need to forge to 50 to get to 0.68. My cotton gloves and staff ele prof are forged only to 35 and I'm already at 0.70 prof factor. And the forge cost was really cheap, too. No CP cuz cotton~

Using a cotton robe for elemental style will make you lose a lot of power.

0.68 with shoes/gloves > 0.78 prof with robe.

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