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post Sep 24 2018, 15:09
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QUOTE(Lostwizard @ Sep 24 2018, 12:25) *

And forgot to ask, where do you find his battle record?

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=5194011
The only ones I am aware of
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post Sep 24 2018, 15:58
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Oh it is in Chat thread...Thanks
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post Sep 24 2018, 16:56
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Is there a way to disable num keys in monsterbation when in low health?

I'm playing dark imperil and have been killed quite a few times due to muscle memory in latter GF turns. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Sep 24 2018, 17:45
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QUOTE(Kinights @ Sep 24 2018, 15:56) *

Is there a way to disable num keys in monsterbation when in low health?

I'm playing dark imperil and have been killed quite a few times due to muscle memory in latter GF turns. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

There is a good post by DJNoni in a chat thread:

QUOTE(DJNoni @ Apr 30 2018, 17:45) *


mana potion: what I do is I take it as soon as available. Even if full effect isn't guaranteed. You could set it up like this:
- start round with hover = false
- hovershift = imperil + toggle hover
- shift + x = toggle hover
- x = take mana potion + toggle hover
- hover = dark spells
Start round with shift pressed+ x to imperil, then release shift and press x to start attack

This way, you will try to take mana potion every round.



Use the examples given in comments inside the script code and do the thing above. When you reach critical health your imperil won't cast, and you get your chance to heal. Afaik you can't do the same with 1,2,3 imperil bindings, so choose one.
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post Sep 24 2018, 19:24
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QUOTE(Mars131 @ Sep 24 2018, 17:45) *

There is a good post by DJNoni in a chat thread:
Use the examples given in comments inside the script code and do the thing above. When you reach critical health your imperil won't cast, and you get your chance to heal. Afaik you can't do the same with 1,2,3 imperil bindings, so choose one.


yes, you are right, you can't disable the num keys 1,2,3 imperil bindings when you reach critical health. Because admin said that is considered botting. We can get hover-stop, so that's why that trick with hover-shift is so neat.
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post Sep 24 2018, 19:48
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Is there anyway to reduce my exp gain? (Without affecting item drops, etc)
I tried, reducing stamina below 80.
and playing on normal difficulty.
Also is the forum-activity exp bonus real? any ways to stop it?

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I like to play HV leisurely and of course, like to take it easy (and slow). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Sep 24 2018, 21:04
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Sep 24 2018, 08:41) *

Stu might be the only ~500 lvl player who uses defensive set with already too defensive 1H style, so it's like sitting in the Maus and saying that there is no need to be careful around low caliber guns while there is no need to build such impractical abomination in the first place (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Maus did not use SoL and was defeated. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This is the proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_ynmo5dFZA
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post Sep 24 2018, 21:38
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 24 2018, 19:24) *

yes, you are right, you can't disable the num keys 1,2,3 imperil bindings when you reach critical health. Because admin said that is considered botting. We can get hover-stop, so that's why that trick with hover-shift is so neat.

Hover shift makes you use Imperil several times in a row, so it's not neat at all.
The only neat thing is being very careful between imperil casts. I almost died due to that a few times. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Sep 24 2018, 22:04
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Sep 24 2018, 21:38) *

Hover shift makes you use Imperil several times in a row, so it's not neat at all.

not if you set the shift action to Strongest([ToggleHover, Cast('Imperil')]), this will let you cast imperil once with each tap of your toggle key

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post Sep 24 2018, 23:25
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QUOTE(PreMiereTricks @ Sep 24 2018, 19:48) *

Is there anyway to reduce my exp gain? (Without affecting item drops, etc)
I tried, reducing stamina below 80.
and playing on normal difficulty.
Also is the forum-activity exp bonus real? any ways to stop it?

p.s.
I like to play HV leisurely and of course, like to take it easy (and slow). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Don't worry too much, leveling slows down by itself once you're in the 300s.
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post Sep 24 2018, 23:36
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Evening!

Just a quick question.

I've managed to complete the IW on the peerless rapier I was speaking of few post ago in this thread.
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/134576708/23b791b89c

I guess that I was kinda lucky with the Potencies and I guess that I should use that rapier instead of this.
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/54733867/4641c32300

Am I right?
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post Sep 25 2018, 05:05
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QUOTE(Nicosai @ Sep 24 2018, 14:25) *
Don't worry too much, leveling slows down by itself once you're in the 300s.


Heck, it slows down quite a bit in the 200s.
I was leveling with just about every RE back in my 100s (playing on Nightmare).

Now I only level about once every day or two.
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post Sep 25 2018, 08:40
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I have a question about something so is there a way to find out if a monster's name has already been taken?

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post Sep 25 2018, 09:51
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I used to calculate the mage's firepower by
Magic Score = MDB*(1+EDB/100)

And I was told that higher score usually means better firepower (more damage).
Though it is not include the magic proficiencies.


I search the wiki for the formula of damage, https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spell_Damage
but the wiki tells me: "These formulas are out of date."

So is there a newest formula about the Spell_Damage?
or is there a formula about the mage's firepower include the MDB EDB PROF etc?


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If the formulas on wiki still work,

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Spell Damage = max(1, (damage_range * spell_data * magic_dmg * critmod * channel_mod) * defense_mit)
magic_dmg = (base_bonus) * (1 + elem_bonus) * (1 + hath_bonus)
Damage Taken = Original_Damage_Roll * (1 - Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation)


"Original_Damage_Roll" = (damage_range * spell_data * magic_dmg * critmod * channel_mod)
Is it right?



as the wiki: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Damage
We can know the Monster's Specific Mitigation by "Scan" skill or by here(https://hvlist.niblseed.com),
but not the Magical Mitigation (MMI).

how can I know the value of the monster's Magical Mitigation?
or how many Magical Mitigation has the monster usually? (in IWBTH/PFUDOR?)


and Monsters' Magical Mitigation will grow up with their Level(=player's level),
is it right?
Can we calculate it to make a full formula about the Spell_Damage? Even if a nearly value?

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post Sep 25 2018, 13:03
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unless something happened, i guess those are the most recent news we have...

also, afaik proficiency should affect how the monster sees your hit (ie: the effect on monsters), not your vanilla firepower, right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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post Sep 25 2018, 13:08
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QUOTE(pigowallace @ Sep 25 2018, 00:36) *

Am I right?


You should look for Leg Slaughter, but between this 2 for 1H I'd choose peerless (STR + extra 5% PA chance + upgrades and better stats should be better than raw adb + attack speed)

QUOTE(william1657 @ Sep 25 2018, 06:05) *

I was leveling with just about every RE back in my 100s (playing on Nightmare).

Now I only level about once every day or two.


RE gives 5% of lvl exp for more than 5 years so it's not really important for low lvl players. I guess I was a bit sleepy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(PersonaFan08 @ Sep 25 2018, 09:40) *

I have a question about something so is there a way to find out if a monster's name has already been taken?


The only certain way is to try to create one. You also can check [hvlist.niblseed.com] Jenga monster list, but it mostly shows high lvl monsters

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post Sep 25 2018, 13:14
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Sep 25 2018, 13:08) *

The only certain way is to try to create one.

i'd go this way too. if you earn an error message, then the name is taken already.
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post Sep 25 2018, 13:45
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Sep 25 2018, 13:08) *

RE gives 5% of lvl exp for more than 5 years so it's not really important for low lvl players.


That's dawn. Exp from REs are calculated normally (with a 5x multiplier).
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post Sep 25 2018, 15:17
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 25 2018, 19:03) *

unless something happened, i guess those are the most recent news we have...

also, afaik proficiency should affect how the monster sees your hit (ie: the effect on monsters), not your vanilla firepower, right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

If the (old) formula is still work, and if I understand it correctly,
it can be write like that:

Spell Damage = max(1, (damage_range * spell_data * ((base_bonus) * (1 + elem_bonus) * (1 + hath_bonus)) * critmod * channel_mod) * ((1 - Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation)))

and make it simpler ( but not preciseness ) to understand it:
Spell Damage = spell_data * MagicScore * (1-MMI) * (1-Specific Mitigation)

[My understanding has something wrong]
now we focus on here:
...*(1-MMI) * (1-Specific Mitigation)
Imperil off
spell_data * MagicScore * (1-MMI) * (1-Specific Mitigation)
Imperil on (cold mage with Better Imperil)
spell_data * MagicScore * (1-MMI +50%) * (1-Specific Mitigation +40%)
but this is without the prof.

if within the prof——
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Proficiencies
Mitigation reduction = (prof_factor ^ 1.5) * 50
set the prof_factor=0.68, so Mitigation_reduction = (0.68 ^ 1.5) * 50% = 28%
then,
Imperil off
spell_data * MagicScore * (1-MMI) * (1-Specific Mitigation +28%)
Imperil on (cold mage with Better Imperil)
spell_data * MagicScore * (1-MMI +50%) * (1-Specific Mitigation +40% +28%)
btw: in fact, (1-MMI +50%) can not high than 1;
. (1-Specific Mitigation +40% +28%) can not high than 1, either.

For example,
Flying Spaghetti Monster:
Cold_Specific_Mitigation = 95%
MMI = ???%
Set player's MDB = 1000, EDB = 123%, prof_factor=0.71, only cast T1(spell_data=4.25).
no hath_bonus, no crit, no channel. within Imperil.
So ONE cold hit can hurt FSM = Spell Damage
= (damage_range *4.25*(1000*(1+123%))) * ((1 - Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation))
= (damage_range *4.25*2230) * ((1 - Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation))
= (damage_range *9477.5) * ((1 - Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation))
= (damage_range *9477.5) * ((1 - Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation))
= (damage_range *9477.5) * (1 - ???% +50%) * (1 - 95% +40% +((0.71 ^ 1.5) * 50%))
= (damage_range *9477.5) * (1 - ???% +50%) * (1 - 95% +40% +29.9%)
= (damage_range *9477.5) * (150% - ???%) * (74.9%)

[My understanding has something wrong]

as wiki https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spell_Damage
damage_range = 0.8~1.2

I think the (old) formula on wiki is still working, but I am not sure that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Because of:
1. damage_range is not a constant.
2. I can not get the MMI of Monster. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

And the most important question is "the value of monster's Magical Mitigation",
how many? and how to get it?
Further on, how many is the average value of MMI?
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

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And I found that:
[tieba.baidu.com] https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5463940017?pn=2
see the last post at 2017-12-28 14:20 (gmt+8)
look at the picture of excel, they look like know the monster's MMI... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

But I don't know who is Jabsas10........ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Sep 25 2018, 18:31
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QUOTE(3534 @ Sep 25 2018, 15:17) *

If the (old) formula is still work, and if I understand it correctly,
it can be write like that:

Spell Damage = max(1, (damage_range * spell_data * ((base_bonus) * (1 + elem_bonus) * (1 + hath_bonus)) * critmod * channel_mod) * ((1 - Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation)))

and make it simpler ( but not preciseness ) to understand it:
Spell Damage = spell_data * MagicScore * (1-MMI) * (1-Specific Mitigation)

now we focus on here:
...*(1-MMI) * (1-Specific Mitigation)
Imperil off
spell_data * MagicScore * (1-MMI) * (1-Specific Mitigation)
Imperil on (cold mage with Better Imperil)
spell_data * MagicScore * (1-MMI +50%) * (1-Specific Mitigation +40%)
but this is without the prof.

if within the prof——
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Proficiencies
Mitigation reduction = (prof_factor ^ 1.5) * 50
set the prof_factor=0.68, so Mitigation_reduction = (0.68 ^ 1.5) * 50% = 28%
then,
Imperil off
spell_data * MagicScore * (1-MMI) * (1-Specific Mitigation +28%)
Imperil on (cold mage with Better Imperil)
spell_data * MagicScore * (1-MMI +50%) * (1-Specific Mitigation +40% +28%)
btw: in fact, (1-MMI +50%) can not high than 1;
. (1-Specific Mitigation +40% +28%) can not high than 1, either.

For example,
Flying Spaghetti Monster:
Cold_Specific_Mitigation = 95%
MMI = ???%
Set player's MDB = 1000, EDB = 123%, prof_factor=0.71, only cast T1(spell_data=4.25).
no hath_bonus, no crit, no channel. within Imperil.
So ONE cold hit can hurt FSM = Spell Damage
= (damage_range *4.25*(1000*(1+123%))) * ((1 - Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation))
= (damage_range *4.25*2230) * ((1 - Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation))
= (damage_range *9477.5) * ((1 - Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation))
= (damage_range *9477.5) * ((1 - Magical Mitigation) * (1 - Specific Mitigation))
= (damage_range *9477.5) * (1 - ???% +50%) * (1 - 95% +40% +((0.71 ^ 1.5) * 50%))
= (damage_range *9477.5) * (1 - ???% +50%) * (1 - 95% +40% +29.9%)
= (damage_range *9477.5) * (150% - ???%) * (74.9%)

as wiki https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spell_Damage
damage_range = 0.8~1.2

I think the (old) formula on wiki is still working, but I am not sure that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Because of:
1. damage_range is not a constant.
2. I can not get the MMI of Monster. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

And the most important question is "the value of monster's Magical Mitigation",
how many? and how to get it?
Further on, how many is the average value of MMI?
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

***

And I found that:
[tieba.baidu.com] https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5463940017?pn=2
see the last post at 2017-12-28 14:20 (gmt+8)
look at the picture of excel, they look like know the monster's MMI... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

But I don't know who is Jabsas10........ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)



in HV Utils, you get an overview of the damage range that you can expect from your build (if I understand it correctly):
My 1.0 prof build
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My 0.85 prof build
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The way I understand this: the values bottom right show the effective magic score depending on the monster mitigation. I use this to see if my 1.0 prof factor build is better than my higher-damage 0.85 build. With increasing prof, there will be a point in time where the second one will be better, but not at this moment.
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