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post Sep 18 2018, 06:52
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Just use spirit shield after lv 285 when you already max it, or when you can do the last 3 arenas. In addition, if you want to do last 3 arenas, don't use 2H, it will take ages to kill a single boss.
P/s: Between haste and shadow veil better go with Haste. The 50% increase in speed mean that monsters will have reduce 50% damage, and all of your buff will last 50% longer too.

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post Sep 18 2018, 07:26
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QUOTE(Lord Frith @ Sep 18 2018, 08:42) *

Thanks for the advice. I'll train some ability points and give Haste a try. I might also train some more ability points for Spirit Shield so it's available if I need it.

I didn't notice that much difference with Spirit Shield, but I can't believe how much of a difference Shadow Veil makes. It's fantastic.


For 2H the buff you really need are probably Haste, Regen and Protection, after that Spirit Shield and Heartseeker will be very nice, Shadow Veil is not bad too if you want.

As for Spark of Life, the effect is nice but it's a bit hard to use, not the most reliable and the buff is pretty short.

I suggest you change into 1H if you want easy mode (I also use 2H before changing into 1H in mid 200s), or at least if you want to stay using 2H, try getting good Light Armor since 2H the stat that you need to survive is more of evasion rather than tanking it with mitigation (1H has both Block and Parry) mmm...
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post Sep 18 2018, 08:14
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I'm gonna ask people do help me do math.

Approximately what is the max attack speed (outside of battle) with full peerless agile shade and two peerless wakis of swiftness with 5 swift strike?

I guess this isn't counting Agility PAB but still.
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post Sep 18 2018, 09:08
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ Sep 18 2018, 15:14) *

I'm gonna ask people do help me do math.

Approximately what is the max attack speed (outside of battle) with full peerless agile shade and two peerless wakis of swiftness with 5 swift strike?

I guess this isn't counting Agility PAB but still.



agi bonus = max 10%
prof bonus = 600*0.025% = 15%
main hand = 28.19% Peerless Arctic Wakizashi of Swiftness (base pmax 18.57% + 1.92%*5 = 28.17%)
off hand = 28.19%
helmet = 3.69%
breastplate = 4.31%
gauntlets = 3.4%
leggings = 4.03%
boots = 3.06%
burden penalty = 0

1 - (1-0.1) * (1-0.15) * (1-0.2819) * (1-0.2819) * (1-0.0369) * (1-0.0431) * (1-0.034) * (1-0.0403) * (1-0.0306)
= 1 - 0.32672687779212974782702276878
= 0.67327312220787025217297723122

67.3%

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post Sep 18 2018, 09:31
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QUOTE(sssss2 @ Sep 18 2018, 03:08) *

agi bonus = max 10%
prof bonus = 600*0.025% = 15%
main hand = 28.19% Peerless Arctic Wakizashi of Swiftness (base pmax 18.57% + 1.92%*5 = 28.17%)
off hand = 28.19%
helmet = 3.69%
breastplate = 4.31%
gauntlets = 3.4%
leggings = 4.03%
boots = 3.06%
burden penalty = 0

1 - (1-0.1) * (1-0.15) * (1-0.2819) * (1-0.2819) * (1-0.0369) * (1-0.0431) * (1-0.034) * (1-0.0403) * (1-0.0306)
= 1 - 0.32672687779212974782702276878
= 0.67327312220787025217297723122

67.3%


That's a lot of attack speed. Thanks.
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post Sep 18 2018, 09:38
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QUOTE(Snowfoxrb @ Sep 18 2018, 05:52) *

Just use spirit shield after lv 285 when you already max it, or when you can do the last 3 arenas. In addition, if you want to do last 3 arenas, don't use 2H, it will take ages to kill a single boss.
P/s: Between haste and shadow veil better go with Haste. The 50% increase in speed mean that monsters will have reduce 50% damage, and all of your buff will last 50% longer too.

It sounds like Haste would be good. I'll give it a try tomorrow once I've trained enough Ability Points. Thanks for the advice.

QUOTE(VawX @ Sep 18 2018, 06:26) *

For 2H the buff you really need are probably Haste, Regen and Protection, after that Spirit Shield and Heartseeker will be very nice, Shadow Veil is not bad too if you want.

As for Spark of Life, the effect is nice but it's a bit hard to use, not the most reliable and the buff is pretty short.

I suggest you change into 1H if you want easy mode (I also use 2H before changing into 1H in mid 200s), or at least if you want to stay using 2H, try getting good Light Armor since 2H the stat that you need to survive is more of evasion rather than tanking it with mitigation (1H has both Block and Parry) mmm...

Spark of Life saves me a lot, but I often end up dead when I'm holding the key down and don't release it fast enough when it triggers. I wish there was a pop-up message after it triggers that you had to close before the battle continued.

I used 1H initially but I seem to recall it only attacks one enemy at a time so it took ages to clear the rounds. It sounds like I should have gone with light armour with 2H, but I should be able to make it to level 300 with the heavy armour.
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post Sep 18 2018, 09:40
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QUOTE(Lord Frith @ Sep 18 2018, 03:38) *

It sounds like Haste would be good. I'll give it a try tomorrow once I've trained enough Ability Points. Thanks for the advice.
Spark of Life saves me a lot, but I often end up dead when I'm holding the key down and don't release it fast enough when it triggers. I wish there was a pop-up message after it triggers that you had to close before the battle continued.

I used 1H initially but I seem to recall it only attacks one enemy at a time so it took ages to clear the rounds. It sounds like I should have gone with light armour with 2H, but I should be able to make it to level 300 with the heavy armour.


Using Monsterbation helps a lot with Spark of Life. It automatically stops your hovers when it triggers. It's saved me multiple times.

1H only attacks one enemy at a time buuuuut with a shield it makes enemies stun themselves which helps iimmensely with survival, which is gonna be your main issue.
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post Sep 18 2018, 12:05
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You should give 1H a try, because at lv 280 1H is already surpass 2H in clearing speed (my experience).
At low lv you can't keep spirit stance on 1H because your spirit is too low, but at lv 280 you can keep spirit stance all the time ( It's mean 100% bonus dame compare to 2H). Find some shield with more than 35% block and a good rapier, and you will have a easy time grinning 1 higher difficult than your 2H.
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post Sep 18 2018, 13:08
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QUOTE(Lord Frith @ Sep 18 2018, 14:38) *
I used 1H initially but I seem to recall it only attacks one enemy at a time so it took ages to clear the rounds. It sounds like I should have gone with light armour with 2H, but I should be able to make it to level 300 with the heavy armour.


you could fire all buff and debuff but it wouldn't fix the underlying problem that 2h heavy simply don't have enough decent damage avoidance mechanic to survive on highest level difficulty.
so if 1h takes ages to clear the rounds, 2h would take eternity to clear the fight, because you'll generally die somewhere along the rounds, and it will get worse the higher your level is as you'll encounter monsters with higher power level.

In higher level, survivability is more affordable and reliable than firepower, until you could build big enough gun of course - that's going mage.

yes you could make it to level 300 with 2h heavy, actually to 500 with 2h heavy is possible, simply decrease the difficulty, but that will cosmically increase average time to level up or getting good drops, compared to, I don't know, using slow but sure 1h-heavy?

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post Sep 18 2018, 15:17
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ Sep 18 2018, 08:40) *
Using Monsterbation helps a lot with Spark of Life. It automatically stops your hovers when it triggers. It's saved me multiple times.

1H only attacks one enemy at a time buuuuut with a shield it makes enemies stun themselves which helps iimmensely with survival, which is gonna be your main issue.
Thanks, I might try Monsterbation. Even if I don't die, I usually end up triggering Spark of Life at least twice before I release the key, so my spirit gate gets reduced to nothing. It would be good if I could avoid that.

BTW, I saw the karma you left on my post in the Ponyverse thread. My post had to be removed from the thread because I'm apparently too toxic (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) People are no fun these days (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

All I wanted was a few summary executions. I don't think I was being unreasonable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

QUOTE(Snowfoxrb @ Sep 18 2018, 11:05) *
You should give 1H a try, because at lv 280 1H is already surpass 2H in clearing speed (my experience).
At low lv you can't keep spirit stance on 1H because your spirit is too low, but at lv 280 you can keep spirit stance all the time ( It's mean 100% bonus dame compare to 2H). Find some shield with more than 35% block and a good rapier, and you will have a easy time grinning 1 higher difficult than your 2H.
I'd try, but all the equipment in the WTS thread seems to be level 400+ so I can't use it. I'm not sure where equipment comes from now that you can't buy it off high level players. The equipment I use is from ST-Ru's equipment loan service. The origins of high quality equipment are a great mystery to me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Sep 18 2018, 12:08) *
you could fire all buff and debuff but it wouldn't fix the underlying problem that 2h heavy simply don't have enough decent damage avoidance mechanic to survive on highest level difficulty.
so if 1h takes ages to clear the rounds, 2h would take eternity to clear the fight, because you'll generally die somewhere along the rounds, and it will get worse the higher your level is as you'll encounter monsters with higher power level.
Yeah, what you describe is exactly what's happening. I can't complete the arena challenges on Nintendo any more. I'm now playing on IWBTH and fleeing once there are more than five monsters in a round (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

It works pretty well at the moment. I get lots of EXP from the easy rounds that I can clear fast. It's probably not viable in the long term, but it should get me to level 300.
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post Sep 18 2018, 16:05
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ Sep 18 2018, 09:31) *

That's a lot of attack speed. Thanks.

mind you, it's with 600 prof and with all stat scaled at his level. don't remember if Speed scales or not, but i guess you got the point...
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post Sep 18 2018, 16:23
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QUOTE(Lord Frith @ Sep 18 2018, 15:17) *

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The equipment I use is from ST-Ru's equipment loan service. The origins of high quality equipment are a great mystery to me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


All equips ultimately comes from drops & shrining (not counting lotteries, that are pre-soulfused and therefore account-bound, i.e. not transferable with MM).

Since high-quality equips. usually only drops from shrining high-value trophies (quite rare) and from fighting at high difficulties (which is something not easy for medium-level player), and since a low-to-medium level player who can play @IWBTH or Pfudor is also one who doesn't stay low for long (because high difficulty play means more EXP so faster level up), obviously the lower the equipment level the rarer it is.

Occasionally you can found something in auctions, but if it is low lvl and good, it can easily cost you quite a bit, so much so that sometimes a very good Mag. forged to 5 would be equal if not better that the costly Leg (that also costs way more to forge to same level)

In rare occasions you could be lucky, and get a good low lvl Leg. from Bazaar; but it takes so much time to wait for the occasion, that unless you have a purposeful strategy of going very slow with the leveling up (like I do, for reasons of my own), it's not possible to rely on it.

It was different years ago, because back then all equips. dropped unassigned, even legendaries. That was ended a bit more then a year ago, and it's impossible now to find good unassigned equips (most that are still around are pre-0.82 patch, when stats were worse then modern equips).

You have to face the fact that it's very difficult to get good equip below lvl 350, and the lower the worse.

Decondelite runs a weekly auction dedicated to medium and low level equips, you can look in it, but for really good items be prepared to pay up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 18 2018, 16:05) *

mind you, it's with 600 prof and with all stat scaled at his level. don't remember if Speed scales or not, but i guess you got the point...


It doesn't (checked now on a Waki of Swiftness), but it can be increased with forging and/or IW.

Edit: Correction. No, not forgeable. Only Swift Strike IW seems possible (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post Sep 18 2018, 19:20
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I'd try, but all the equipment in the WTS thread seems to be level 400+ so I can't use it. I'm not sure where equipment comes from now that you can't buy it off high level players. The equipment I use is from ST-Ru's equipment loan service. The origins of high quality equipment are a great mystery to me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


if you have any exquisite+ str-dex rapier you could just IW it to 10 for the hollowforged then it should work.
any shield with ~35%+ block also enough for a start (i.e exq force shield, or mag tier kite shield/buckler barrier)
if not then take example from what currently on decondelite's auction

[One46] Exquisite Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter (Level 288, IW 10, forged 5) (seller: tox01) | Start: 70k | Quick bid: 100k
[Shd03] Magnificent Mithril Buckler of the Barrier (Level 282, Str Agi) (seller: anruiersi) | Start: 30k | Quick bid: 50k

those - for at most 150k - could do for a start, just one and half energy drink, enough until late 350-370, not the best, but should work better than any 2H-heavy. you'll get more option later around level 350+ for upgrades, at the very least if you consistently play on PF difficulty (which isn't that difficult on 1h-heavy) getting the money for an SDA/SEA leg force shield like these

Legendary Amber Force Shield of Warding 367, Str Dex Agi, BLK 94% 450k (Snowfoxrb #199.5)
Legendary Ruby Force Shield of Dampening 342, Str End Agi, BLK 88% 450k (kug666 #162)
Legendary Jade Force Shield of Protection 368, Str Dex Agi, BLK 73% 200k (Evil Scorpio #130)
Legendary Ruby Force Shield of Protection 417, Str Dex Agi, BLK 57% 0

and mid-low ADB%tage leg rapier like these

Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter 412, ADB 38% 50k (DLAE #19.5)
Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter 362, ADB 21% 300k (adasddasd #197)

are relatively easy. heck you might get lucky and got one by yourself as playing on pf theoretically give you better chance for higher quality equip drops.

disclaimer : I'm just giving example, I'm not encouraging you to buy anything as I don't know your budget or your soulfusing capabilities (how many fragments you have).
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post Sep 18 2018, 20:28
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Hello experts~

Someone can tell me which of these two options would give a greater benefit?

1. Forge the edb of my staff from 5 to 25.
2. Train Assimilator from 5 to 8 (cloth and staff prof currently at 365).

Both options cost almost the same, I'll do both but can't afford to do it at the same time, so, I want to know what to do first. I'm inclined to train assimilator since my profs are way below my level but idk.

Thanks in advance for the answers.
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post Sep 18 2018, 20:35
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QUOTE(Xythuard @ Sep 18 2018, 11:28) *

Hello experts~

Someone can tell me which of these two options would give a greater benefit?

1. Forge the edb of my staff from 5 to 25.
2. Train Assimilator from 5 to 8 (cloth and staff prof currently at 365).

Both options cost almost the same, I'll do both but can't afford to do it at the same time, so, I want to know what to do first. I'm inclined to train assimilator since my profs are way below my level but idk.

Thanks in advance for the answers.


I'll say the second option is the better of both options.
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post Sep 18 2018, 21:32
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QUOTE(Xythuard @ Sep 18 2018, 20:28) *

Hello experts~

Someone can tell me which of these two options would give a greater benefit?

1. Forge the edb of my staff from 5 to 25.
2. Train Assimilator from 5 to 8 (cloth and staff prof currently at 365).

Both options cost almost the same, I'll do both but can't afford to do it at the same time, so, I want to know what to do first. I'm inclined to train assimilator since my profs are way below my level but idk.

Thanks in advance for the answers.


If you are serious about maging, get a good staff and forge the shit out of it.
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I don't know if I'm "serious" but of course I was planning on heavily forge my staff, the problem is I'm no rich player and I have other expenses too, so I'll do it bit by bit. "forge the shit out of it" isn't in the list of possibilities of my wallet. :c

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I'm going to need some advice on which monsters to fight next after beating yggrasill on ring of blood's triple trio and the tree so should I focus on the goddesses next or the dragons?
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I'm going to need some advice on which monsters to fight next after beating yggrasill on ring of blood's triple trio and the tree so should I focus on the goddesses next or the dragons?


keep Urd alive. As mage, I take on the strongest one that is furthest away from Urd. Don't imperil Urd. Because, FSM is takes to long to die when Urd buffs him.
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I'm going to need some advice on which monsters to fight next after beating yggrasill on ring of blood's triple trio and the tree so should I focus on the goddesses next or the dragons?


If you can:
1. Tree
2. Dragons
3. Gods
4. Goddesses
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