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post Sep 9 2018, 20:37
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Sep 9 2018, 10:35) *

Yeah, and i am sure there allways will be. Except you would revamp the whole game. I mean since we no longer have any cap on how much stuff we use in battle from the Battle Slots i cant see how you will make them usefull at all. Also in the end it is not the worst, otherwhise it would be much easier to get great drops. So bad equipment just has to be a port of any grinder game.


Maybe it could get more interesting (not making it particulary best choice, just more useable) if vampire/illithid generated effect not on monster, but on player - like Overwhelming Strike does. Also for illithid to siphon mana without actual contact - it might be somewhat alternative for 1h battlecaster maging. But then it is all speculation.

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edit: being on topic, can someone explain this:
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To optimize the amount of chaos tokens spent on a monster regarding the gift factor aspect, one has to invest 5 times more tokens in the Scavenger upgrade than other upgrades.

In what way it is exactly optimized? What difference it results if you do that and if you dont?

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post Sep 9 2018, 23:41
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QUOTE(Wraithtouch @ Sep 9 2018, 21:37) *

In what way it is exactly optimized? What difference it results if you do that and if you dont?


TL;DR - no one knows (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Sep 9 2018, 23:57
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Compare this Legendary Mithril Buckler of the Battlecaster (level 317, 95% block, 355 PXP0) on auction with the Legendary Mithril Buckler of Protection (level 315, 93% block, 368 PXP0) I use.

Left shield has 30.86 base block but 35.39 actual block after level scaling. Right shield has 30.81 base block and 35.66 actual block after level scaling.

I guess this is due to the PXP0 increase to stats, but I had previously thought it was incorporated into the base stat popup. Apparently the increase applies only to the level scaled value.
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post Sep 10 2018, 00:13
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 10 2018, 05:57) *

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Quality_Bonus: Value added based on overall quality of the piece of gear
Derived_Base: Value that can be seen on a piece of gear based on the rolls it got during creation
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Derived_Base = (ceil( round(Base_Roll * Slot_Mod)) +
ceil( round(Suffix_Roll * Slot_Mod)) + Quality_Bonus) * Base_Multiplier


Applied on the base stat if I am not misunderstanding things.

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post Sep 10 2018, 00:22
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That's how I interpreted the wiki formulas as well.

But looking at the bucklers example, either the formula or terminology of the wiki may be wrong. Unless there is some other explanation for those two bucklers.
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post Sep 10 2018, 00:47
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 10 2018, 06:22) *

That's how I interpreted the wiki formulas as well.

But looking at the bucklers example, either the formula or terminology of the wiki may be wrong. Unless there is some other explanation for those two bucklers.

Hmm I am confused what your question is now.

Bases of stats seem to have nothing to do with levels.
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post Sep 10 2018, 00:50
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QUOTE(Lord Frith @ Sep 9 2018, 20:20) *

Is it worth casting Heartseeker?

The MP upkeep costs are massive and it doesn't seem to offer that much benefit.

I don't know how a flat +25% physical damage can be considered a small benefit.
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post Sep 10 2018, 00:57
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QUOTE(monkey_lmf) *
Hmm I am confused what your question is now. Bases of stats seem to have nothing to do with levels.

The Legendary Mithril Buckler of the Battlecaster on the left has a higher base block and a higher level. So why does it have a lower actual block?

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Is it worth casting Heartseeker? The MP upkeep costs are massive and it doesn't seem to offer that much benefit.

At lower levels Heartseeker has less benefit but you should still use it. But don't cast it raw, I always cast it through Channeling which can be triggered by Protection, Haste, Spark of Life, Shadow Veil, Regen or spamming Cure or Weak.
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post Sep 10 2018, 01:16
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 10 2018, 00:57) *

At lower levels Heartseeker has less benefit but you should still use it. But don't cast it raw, I always cast it through Channeling which can be triggered by Protection, Haste, Spark of Life, Shadow Veil, Regen or spamming Cure or Weak.

small reminder: heartseeker has a very long cast time, and even longer if casted via channeling. you may want ot wait for a bit of a safe situation before firing it.
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post Sep 10 2018, 01:45
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 9 2018, 17:16) *

small reminder: heartseeker has a very long cast time, and even longer if casted via channeling. you may want ot wait for a bit of a safe situation before firing it.


Is it really? I remember few years ago it was a noticable problem for me, and indeed I had a lot attacks going in after casting it. Nowdays I dont see it taking much time, and pretty much as fast as other spells. I thought it just some of the last four or five update-changes to the game, but I guess it is not? Is it something to do with level then?
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post Sep 10 2018, 01:48
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Thanks for the advice. I tried Heartseeker again and it does seem to make a considerable difference.

When I tried it at a lower level I didn't notice much change so I reset the ability points.

It uses a lot of MP but seems worth it and with channelling you can get it for free a lot of the time.

Thanks again.

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post Sep 10 2018, 01:50
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QUOTE(Wraithtouch @ Sep 10 2018, 01:45) *

Is it really? I remember few years ago it was a noticable problem for me, and indeed I had a lot attacks going in after casting it. Nowdays I dont see it taking much time, and pretty much as fast as other spells. I thought it just some of the last four or five update-changes to the game, but I guess it is not? Is it something to do with level then?

well, your tankiness increases so, yep. sure

QUOTE(Lord Frith @ Sep 10 2018, 01:48) *

Thanks for the advice. I tried Heartseeker again and it does seem to make a considerable difference.

When I tried it at a lower level I didn't notice much change so I reset the ability points.

It uses a lot of MP but seems worth it and with Arcane Focus you can get it for free a lot of the time.

i don't know if i misunderstood, but *don't* use heartseeker and arcane focus at the same time. triggering the second will dispel the first one you casted.
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post Sep 10 2018, 02:04
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 10 2018, 00:50) *

i don't know if i misunderstood, but *don't* use heartseeker and arcane focus at the same time. triggering the second will dispel the first one you casted.

Oops, I meant channelling rather than Arcane Focus. I forgot what it was called (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I've edited my post to correct it.
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post Sep 10 2018, 02:06
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Tankiness as equipment and abilities? Reason why I thought it was more game changes - I still have that habit of NOT casting heartseeker when my hps are low. It does show it was a big deal for me back then. Nowdays I cant remember time I used potion/cure after heartseeker induced hp drop. And I guess it is normal for 1h-power in arenas and REs, my tankiness did increase. But I still didn't have any noticable difficulty casting heartseeker halfway in Pfest, where my hps would jump up and down often - my equips are not forged much to accomodate deeper rounds.
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post Sep 10 2018, 02:10
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 10 2018, 06:57) *

The Legendary Mithril Buckler of the Battlecaster on the left has a higher base block and a higher level. So why does it have a lower actual block?

Scaled Stat = (1 + level / level_factor) * base_stat

Just used this equation to check the two shields plus a Buckler of Protection and a Buckler of Battlecaster(this one from [reasoningtheory.net] Super's#117), both non-forged non-IW.

Only Legendary Mithril Buckler of the Battlecaster (level 317, 95% block, 355 PXP0) does not give the right number of scaled block chance.

Hmm...a display bug?
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post Sep 10 2018, 02:22
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Sep 10 2018, 06:57) *

Compare this Legendary Mithril Buckler of the Battlecaster (level 317, 95% block, 355 PXP0) on auction with the Legendary Mithril Buckler of Protection (level 315, 93% block, 368 PXP0) I use.

Left shield has 30.86 base block but 35.39 actual block after level scaling. Right shield has 30.81 base block and 35.66 actual block after level scaling.

I guess this is due to the PXP0 increase to stats, but I had previously thought it was incorporated into the base stat popup. Apparently the increase applies only to the level scaled value.




Its effective attributes are reduced due to its condition.

393 / 794 = 49.4962... %
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post Sep 10 2018, 02:49
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What is up with the All Monsters attack immediately when I cast Arcane Focus.
Every time!
No other spell or action has this Blitz response!
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Wait gains the effect Turbulent Air.
Your spike shield hits Wait for 168 points of wind damage.
You gain the effect Cloak of the Fallen.
Your Spark of Life restores you from the brink of defeat.
Wait hits you for 1701 piercing damage.
Your spike shield hits In Memorabilia Of Darksage Ff2 for 205 points of wind damage.
In Memorabilia Of Darksage Ff2 crits you for 2102 piercing damage.
Your spike shield hits Sweet Foot for 118 points of wind damage.
Sweet Foot crits you for 1319 slashing damage.
You evade the attack from Aves.
Your spike shield hits Grandpa Son Gohan for 5 points of wind damage.
You parry the attack from Grandpa Son Gohan.
Your spike shield hits Hong Meiling My Wife for 126 points of wind damage.
Hong Meiling My Wife hits you for 1836 crushing damage.
Your spike shield hits Zaniah for 134 points of wind damage.
Zaniah hits you for 1043 slashing damage.
Your spike shield hits They Shall Burn for 154 points of wind damage.
They Shall Burn crits you for 1789 crushing damage.
Your spike shield hits Hong Meiling My Wife Too for 5 points of wind damage.
You parry the attack from Hong Meiling My Wife Too.
Your spike shield hits Wait for 176 points of wind damage.
Wait hits you for 1785 piercing damage.
You evade the attack from In Memorabilia Of Darksage Ff2.
Your spike shield hits Aves for 166 points of wind damage.
Aves hits you for 1441 crushing damage.
You gain the effect Arcane Focus.
You cast Arcane Focus.

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post Sep 10 2018, 02:55
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QUOTE(Goodman2011 @ Sep 10 2018, 02:49) *

What is up with the All Monsters attack immediately when I cast Arcane Focus.

Arcana Focus just like Heartseekers takes some time to be casted. So of course a lot of monster will attack during this.
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QUOTE(Goodman2011 @ Sep 10 2018, 00:49) *

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QUOTE(sssss2 @ Sep 10 2018, 08:22) *

Its effective attributes are reduced due to its condition.

393 / 794 = 49.4962... %

AHHHHHHH

That's a huge blindspot for me.

For some reason I just thought effect of equipment decaying would not show. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

(1+317/2000)*30.86 = 35.75131

0.5% decay equivalent to 1% effective attribute loss
35.75131*0.99 = 35.3937969

Equation is balanced now. Thank you very much for fixing. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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