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70m? how you guys earn credits?
I get 200k per day, include selling trophies(to blackjac00).
If I sold out other staffs, maybe 250?
it would be next year to get my 70m, if I don't buying staffs.

You either save for some months or buy someone a star so they send you credits for it, so you'd be spending rl money on bitcoin

70m? how you guys earn credits?
I get 200k per day, include selling trophies(to blackjac00).

As Yami said spending real money for bitcoins and sell stars (just one gold star sold would get you around 40 to 50 M), or getting lucky with drop and selling in auction wondrous stuff (like Mars said he did). If you're really good in graphic editing and/or jap there are also bounties.

In summary, only options (in order from easyest to most difficult) are :

1) spending REAL money
2) spending REAL time (working on stuff others want done for credits)
3) having a SHIT TON of luck

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And I earn much less then you, and I'm sure I'm not the only one (at this low level at least), quite the contrary (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Edit : I forgot to mention that you can also adopt-a-server or run H@H (which is again a way of spending real money, getting back haths and rewards then boost your revenues; back to point 1 essentially) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by mundomuñeca: Aug 22 2018, 13:25

And I earn much less then you, and I'm sure I'm not the only one (at this low level at least), quite the contrary (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

thanks and
DwD drops alot.

70m? how you guys earn credits?
I get 200k per day, include selling trophies(to blackjac00).
If I sold out other staffs, maybe 250?
it would be next year to get my 70m, if I don't buying staffs.

I don't do them but I can tell.
1. Bounty---> sometimes instant tens of millions
2. adopt a H@H--->tons of haths and GPs depending on your bandwidth. Some has 100 haths per day
3. Income from GSs, or catgirls. Catgirls can earn up to 500k worth of credits+haths daily. You will also earn more from monster labs. One GS gives you 3 haths per day+10k credits+10k GP. That's 8m+ per year.
4. Selling GS. Current market price---> 1GS=$100=45m or so
. RM Trades that might be sent to the moon.

BTW, you should get 200k credits+100k worth of trophies(if you have 5 blood tokens to play FSM)+ on average 4~5 precusor artifact@22k each everyday, if you complete all your 1k clear bonus Arenas. Also visit the bazzar to get some cheap HCG that some players have dumped. Also visit item shop so you might get free trophies! from people who do not play HV and do not know the worth of rare trophies. I've bought three times, and got no less than 5m from those (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) free 10+stocking stuffers@150k...I sold all to Nero-Arc

This post has been edited by -vincento-: Aug 22 2018, 13:52

what's ' visit item shop so you might get free trophies'?
bazaar?

I don't do them but I can tell.
1. Bounty---> sometimes instant tens of millions
2. adopt a H@H--->tons of haths and GPs depending on your bandwidth. Some has 100 haths per day
3. Income from GSs, or catgirls. Catgirls can earn up to 500k worth of credits+haths daily. You will also earn more from monster labs. One GS gives you 3 haths per day+10k credits+10k GP. That's 8m+ per year.
4. Selling GS. Current market price---> 1GS=$100=45m or so
. RM Trades that might be sent to the moon.

BTW, you should get 200k credits+100k worth of trophies(if you have 5 blood tokens to play FSM)+ on average 4~5 precusor artifact@22k each everyday, if you complete all your 1k clear bonus Arenas. Also visit the bazzar to get some cheap HCG that some players have dumped. Also visit item shop so you might get free trophies! from people who do not play HV and do not know the worth of rare trophies. I've bought three times, and got no less than 5m from those (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) free 10+stocking stuffers@150k...I sold all to Nero-Arc

A lot of e-hentai users get obsolete, valuable trophies, but not all of them play HV and know the value of them. Occasionally, you would see them dumped in item shop.

Stocking stuffers, mysterious teeth, Dinosaur eggs, and even Tenbora boxes that are worth at least 3m each.

Item Shop Bot won't buy obsolete items so if you are lucky enough to visit Item Shop one night and another player sold their antique there.

Some teeth or some eggs can make you 1m each if not 2. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

One more question regarding mages. If I chose to build a wind/elec mage, what staff should I get? Reading the wiki page with ranges ensured me that Redwood owns Willow in EDB and proficiencies except deprecating one.

Does Willow's deprecating prof outweight Redwood's bonuses? Or am I missing something else?

One more question regarding mages. If I chose to build a wind/elec mage, what staff should I get? Reading the wiki page with ranges ensured me that Redwood owns Willow in EDB and proficiencies except deprecating one.

Does Willow's deprecating prof outweight Redwood's bonuses? Or am I missing something else?

If i am not totaly wrong. No mage does actually care about bonus deprecation. Just like they allways start to curse when they get an economizer potency. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

If i am not totaly wrong. No mage does actually care about bonus deprecation. Just like they allways start to curse when they get an economizer potency. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

One more question regarding mages. If I chose to build a wind/elec mage, what staff should I get? Reading the wiki page with ranges ensured me that Redwood owns Willow in EDB and proficiencies except deprecating one.

Does Willow's deprecating prof outweight Redwood's bonuses? Or am I missing something else?

Not really(I being too critical, uncle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) I only expose truth, so sometimes I don't pay attention to word choice...). For wind/elec mages, willow of destructions are always the best.

Even in terms of fire/cold mages, willows can outperform redwood in GFs and IWs if you have significantly high EDB and DDs, because of the accuracy of deprecating spells and counter-resist.

If you are only calculating the magic scores, surely with redwoods you can have higher ones than willows, but this is not the case in real fight especially when imperil mages kill all monsters in only 1~4 shoots, and when you have enough damage already from DDs and forgings. You take less turns by not recasting imperils or being resisted by unimperiled monsters.

Higher elemental profs from redwoods give no mitigation bonus when you can reach 0.7 prof easily with only shoes. My calculation tells me that a elementalist can reach full mitigation reduction when 0.72 prof factor. I am not sure about it though.

Considered the benefits of counter-resist and deprecating profs, redwoods and willows have almost equal performance in terms of DwDs. As for GFs and IWs, and other runs surely willows are better.

This post has been edited by -vincento-: Aug 22 2018, 15:36

That's a lie.

That is really harsh for a statement that startet with (if i am not totally wrong) dont you think? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Even in terms of fire/cold mages, willows can outperform redwood in GFs and IWs if you have significantly high EDB and DDs, because of the accuracy of deprecating spells and counter-resist.

If you are only calculating the magic scores, surely with redwoods you can have higher ones than willows, but this is not the case in real fight especially when imperil mages kill all monsters in only 1~4 shoots, and when you have enough damage already from DDs and forgings. You take less turns by not recasting imperils or being resisted by unimperiled monsters.

Sounds quite convincing, much thanks for the explanation.

70m? how you guys earn credits?
I get 200k per day, include selling trophies(to blackjac00).
If I sold out other staffs, maybe 250?
it would be next year to get my 70m, if I don't buying staffs.

He said "Got a bit lucky with an auction", so I assume his items got high bids.

Even in terms of fire/cold mages, willows can outperform redwood in GFs and IWs if you have significantly high EDB and DDs, because of the accuracy of deprecating spells and counter-resist.

Twice more EDB and extra elemental/supportive prof < Archmage and x3 deprecating prof? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Twice more EDB and extra elemental/supportive prof < Archmage and x3 deprecating prof? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I've noticed a 12.67% Total EDB difference in terms of fire/cold redwood vs. willow. according to wiki. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I guess this is significant difference in only EDB. But if we consider how EDB affects turns and how failing to imperil and resisted by monsters affect battle and turns, I can't tell the difference as it's too complicated.
Also Lastwizard tried fiery oak staff of focus. And there is a 39-turn difference in a 631-round GF. I guess there is left to discuss about as regards to fire/cold mage staff choice....

Both tried PFFest 631 Rounds with Aether Shard + Featherweight Shard on Saturday. Highlight:

LFRD: 5,908 turns
Used: MP Potion: 108 / Scroll of Life: 29
Spell: Arcane Focus: 10 / Cure: 792 / Fiery Blast: 595 / Flames of Loki: 654 / Full-Cure: 126 / Imperil: 2576 / Inferno: 641 / Regen : 11

LFOF: 5,947 turns
Used: MP Potion: 61 / Scroll of Life: 17
Spell: Arcane Focus: 7 / Cure: 793 / Fiery Blast: 696 / Flames of Loki: 708 / Full-Cure: 110 / Imperil: 2486 / Inferno: 704 / Regen : 9

Oak staff of focus doesn't sound that bad, at least less items were consumed.
Will start improving my Surtr gear and see how it goes at deep fest.

This post has been edited by -vincento-: Aug 22 2018, 19:18

I've noticed a 12.67% Total EDB difference in terms of fire/cold redwood vs. willow. according to wiki. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I guess this is significant difference in only EDB. But if we consider how EDB affects turns and how failing to imperil and resisted by monsters affect battle and turns, I can't tell the difference as it's too complicated.
Also Lastwizard tried fiery oak staff of focus. And there is a 39-turn difference in a 631-round GF. I guess there is left to discuss about as regards to fire/cold mage staff choice....

Willow has counter resist which makes it superior

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A few more supplementary point:

My tested equipment is quite bad and low EDB MDB (only Staff and prof cotton pants are forged, considered as beginner/cheaper set) which make sense that Oak could have similar performance to Redwood. As spell damage is bottle-necked, more spell damage doesn't help that much for Fire and probably Cold in GF.

Also Oak has lower base than Redwood in terms of MDB EDB Prof, which make sense that Oak is sightly worse than Redwood in GF turn/round:
Legendary Fiery Redwood Staff of Destruction (MDB 74%, Fire EDB 49%, Elem Prof 62%) Fully forged base: (MDB 84.47, Fire EDB 27.02, Elem Prof 10.58)
Legendary Fiery Oak Staff of Focus (MDB 99%, Fire EDB 86%, Elem Prof 77%) Fully forged base: (MDB 52.77, Fire EDB 24.5, Elem Prof 8.37)

I am not sure if higher/extremely higher EDB gear/forge could make the gap bigger. But this is not the case for beginner.

With enough staff forge, willow should easily outperform redwood in GF/IW. But for Arena, as long as you can easily survived with your gears, Redwood should be better for Fire/Cold. It depends on your target usage. Fire/cold mage for Arena only: Redwood; GF/IW: Willow

This post has been edited by Lastwizard05: Aug 23 2018, 03:32

Thinking about proficiency factor, either I'm critically stupid, or the explanation on wiki sucks. Got 2 prof items, staff and cap, 13.61 base elemental prof total. Natural base prof taken as 525. Then according to next formula

You can calculate the expected achievable prof factor at level 500 of a set of equipment. This value is a good indication of the proficiency factor achievable at any level. Start with your expected [Natural base prof] at level 500, which will be probably be between 500 and 525 (600 is theoretically possible). Then use the following 5 steps:

step 1: [Equip base prof] = [Staff base prof] + [Cloth_1 base prof] + [Cloth_2 base prof]
step 2: [Full forged prof] = [Equip base prof] * 1.342
step 3: [Level 500 equip prof] = [Full forged prof] * 15
step 4: [Prof with Perk] = [Natural base prof] * 1.1 + [Level 500 equip prof]
step 5: [Level 500 Prof factor] = [Prof with Perk] / 500

I'm getting 1.70 as [Level 500 Prof factor]. Wiki tells I should aim for at least 0.68, but this is kinda stupid, with this formula you always have at least 1.00 even nude. Does 0.68 translates to 1.68 in this formula?

Thinking about proficiency factor, either I'm critically stupid, or the explanation on wiki sucks. Got 2 prof items, staff and cap, 13.61 base elemental prof total. Natural base prof taken as 525. Then according to next formula
I'm getting 1.70 as [Level 500 Prof factor]. Wiki tells I should aim for at least 0.68, but this is kinda stupid, with this formula you always have at least 1.00 even nude. Does 0.68 translates to 1.68 in this formula?

use this spreadsheet
or install HV utility. Your prof factor will be showed under equipment section if you wear cottons already.

Or just effective prof/level, then minus 1.

use this spreadsheet
or install HV utility. Your prof factor will be showed under equipment section if you wear cottons already.

Or just effective prof/level, then minus 1.

Yeah, the wiki page is just inconsistent and omits the last step of substracting 1. Guess I'm cool with one cotton and 4 phases. Thanks again for the help, appreciate it.