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post Aug 18 2018, 19:40
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Thanks DJNoni, really appreciate your quick answers!

1h mage does feel more interesting than 1h heavy - I just need to get used to using spells instead of mindless hovering (and also buy a bunch of mana potions T.T).
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post Aug 18 2018, 19:53
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 18 2018, 14:31) *

- prof factor 1.0 with cap & shoes - you use robe, and lose a lot of fire-power

Is the firepower EDB or the MDB from Radiant?

QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 18 2018, 14:31) *

- Penetrator 5, you only have 4

Eco was last potency. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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post Aug 18 2018, 20:37
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QUOTE(Kinights @ Aug 18 2018, 19:53) *

Is the firepower EDB or the MDB from Radiant?
Eco was last potency. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

- both when radiant, but my robe is charged so that's only EDB you're missing. And evade. And other stuff.
- Bummer. Cry, reforge, start again. Took me 250 amnesias or so.

edit: or, just play imperil style! Works very well for dark.

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post Aug 18 2018, 23:43
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 18 2018, 15:37) *
edit: or, just play imperil style! Works very well for dark.

Thinking about imperil style and top maging... dark with willow is probably better than holy, right?

I mean, with highly forged equipment and good lv of DD perk, ~80% of monsters are dead after the first t3 cast (when everyone is imperiled), this makes breached defense not that big of an advantage... in the other hand, willow would make imperiling easier than oak (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


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So, what's the current consensus about Elemental Mages (thinking about full PFfest)...

- Which's considered the current best style? (Wind? Elec?)
- Considering imperil style, is Elemental inferior to holy/dark? (pretty equal? slightly better?)


I know Holy really shines when playing non-imperil, but it's too costly to survive with it in later rounds of PFfest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Aug 19 2018, 05:40
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What's the performance of prof suffix staff? Just found an old post from 2016:

QUOTE(frankmelody @ Jul 13 2013, 01:43) *

Legendary Hallowed Katalox Staff of Destruction
Legendary Hallowed Katalox Staff of The Heaven-sent

Legendary Radiant Phase Cap of Heimdall
Legendary Radiant Phase Robe of Heimdall
Legendary Radiant Phase Gloves of Heimdall
Legendary Radiant Phase Pants of Heimdall
Peerless Radiant Phase Shoes of Heimdall
Peerless Ruby Cotton Gloves of the Heaven-sent

Legendary Mystic Phase Cap of Heimdall

Holy magic score with crit: 43465
5878magic base damage
53.5% crit chance / +50 % damage
483.4 % EDB
========== Battle Data ======================
Holy mage (LV 496):
non-crit magic score: 23427
holy prof: 999 (201.4% prof)
12.4% cast speed bonus
67.9% physical mitigation
66.3% evade chance
Counter-Resist +20.00 %

GFx20 (1000 ROUNDS) LHKHF+4 RADIANT/MYSTIC PHASE + 1 COTTON

[Damage] Average: 3950 / Crushing: 43% / Piercing: 36% / Slashing: 17% / Fire: 0% / Cold: 0% / Wind: 0% / Elec: 0% / Holy: 0%

[Used Item] Health Potion: 76 / Spirit Gem: 68 / Health Gem: 66 / Mana Gem: 61 / Mystic Gem: 56 / Spirit Potion: 55 / Mana Draught: 37 / Scroll of Swiftness: 34 / Scroll of Shadows: 34 / Scroll of Protection: 34 / Mana Elixir: 21 / Spirit Draught: 21 / Spirit Elixir: 12 / Health Elixir: 9

[Skill & Spell] Smite: 2492 / Banishment: 1522 / Paradise Lost: 1017 / Cure: 986 / Full-Cure: 54 / Absorb: 28 / Regen: 20 / Arcane Focus: 6

6711 turns (excluding initial 0 round). Average 6.71 turn/round.


How difference the result would be if using gear above nowadays?

For Elem mage, are there any reasons using Redwood Staff of the Elementalist, besides the price?
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post Aug 19 2018, 07:57
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QUOTE(e-Stark @ Aug 18 2018, 23:43) *

Thinking about imperil style and top maging... dark with willow is probably better than holy, right?

I mean, with highly forged equipment and good lv of DD perk, ~80% of monsters are dead after the first t3 cast (when everyone is imperiled), this makes breached defense not that big of an advantage... in the other hand, willow would make imperiling easier than oak (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
---

So, what's the current consensus about Elemental Mages (thinking about full PFfest)...

- Which's considered the current best style? (Wind? Elec?)
- Considering imperil style, is Elemental inferior to holy/dark? (pretty equal? slightly better?)
I know Holy really shines when playing non-imperil, but it's too costly to survive with it in later rounds of PFfest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

imperil style: dark is better for that, yes. Because willow is very good for imperil.
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- wind and elec, with wind perhaps being very slightly better. Very little difference though.
- imperil: wind and elec are better. Because you only need prof factor 0.68

QUOTE(Lastwizard05 @ Aug 19 2018, 05:40) *

What's the performance of prof suffix staff? Just found an old post from 2016:
How difference the result would be if using gear above nowadays?

For Elem mage, are there any reasons using Redwood Staff of the Elementalist, besides the price?

I think this willl still work very well. With such gear, lots of radiants, I'm sure you will have easy play. Only, oak is a bit better still.

- Redwood has better cold-damage boost than willow. And fire as well.
- of the elementalist? No, not in the current meta. Only as starter staff when your proficiency is low. But I think with any Redwood you can get 0.68 prof factor easily

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post Aug 19 2018, 08:28
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 19 2018, 05:57) *

I think this willl still work very well. With such gear, lots of radiants, I'm sure you will have easy play. Only, oak is a bit better still.


A few full-cure, no Scroll of Life, last elixir, vase gum and not even spellweaver on staff. I just wonder if it is possible now that monsters are stronger...

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post Aug 19 2018, 08:30
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QUOTE(Lastwizard05 @ Aug 19 2018, 08:28) *

I just wonder if it is possible now that more monsters are fully upgraded...

Sure. Some people dont have anything else to do with their chaos token.
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post Aug 19 2018, 08:37
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QUOTE(Lastwizard05 @ Aug 19 2018, 11:40) *

What's the performance of prof suffix staff? Just found an old post from 2016:
How difference the result would be if using gear above nowadays?

For Elem mage, are there any reasons using Redwood Staff of the Elementalist, besides the price?

I believe prof suffix staff are designed for non-imp styles. They always put you 0.98 prof factor if you have maximum prof, which is 600 at lv500. If you use a prof suffix staff for imp styles, you simply lose so much counter-resist and too much damage in exchange for prof factor that is far beyond 0.68.

QUOTE(Lastwizard05 @ Aug 19 2018, 14:28) *

A few full-cure, no Scroll of Life, last elixir, vase gum and not even spellweaver on staff. I just wonder if it is possible now that monsters are stronger...

sssss2 also has his records on his GF runs. Now he has DD9 and 3 radiants+oak staff. He needs 5900+ turns. Full-cure and scroll of lifes are definitely needed, but no last elixirs, vase gums.

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post Aug 19 2018, 12:05
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Need suggestion, here's my 1H build:

Legendary Demonic Rapier of Slaughter
Legendary Cobalt Force Shield of Protection (Will be IW10)
Legendary Ruby Power Helmet of Protection
Legendary Zircon Power Armor of Balance
Legendary Zircon Power Gauntlets of Protection
Magnificent Power Leggings of Slaughter
Legendary Jade Power Boots of Protection

1. Should I keep and use them for long term and spend all my money on forging cost + soul fragment?
2. Or buying and switching better gears when equipment level gap is big? Should I spend my money to forge my equipment in this case and how much?
3. Or keep using this melee build, and save my money for switching mage build at lv400 or above? Can I use current build without soulfuse until lv400?

I just play daily Arena and Random Encounter x20 only, I tried mage in Arena with some poor gears at my level and I found it is difficult to survive. What is the minimum requirement for mage to survive and clear round faster than melee in Arena, especially SG? And how much should I spend for the gears?

Thank you.

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post Aug 19 2018, 14:51
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QUOTE(FLY2018 @ Aug 19 2018, 10:05) *

Need suggestion, here's my 1H build:

Legendary Demonic Rapier of Slaughter
Legendary Cobalt Force Shield of Protection (Will be IW10)
Legendary Ruby Power Helmet of Protection
Legendary Zircon Power Armor of Balance
Legendary Zircon Power Gauntlets of Protection
Magnificent Power Leggings of Slaughter
Legendary Jade Power Boots of Protection

1. Should I keep and use them for long term and spend all my money on forging cost + soul fragment?
2. Or buying and switching better gears when equipment level gap is big? Should I spend my money to forge my equipment in this case and how much?
3. Or keep using this melee build, and save my money for switching mage build at lv400 or above? Can I use current build without soulfuse until lv400?

I just play daily Arena and Random Encounter x20 only, I tried mage in Arena with some poor gears at my level and I found it is difficult to survive. What is the minimum requirement for mage to survive and clear round faster than melee in Arena, especially SG? And how much should I spend for the gears?

Thank you.



as a non expert 1H, my opinion:
1.do the minmum forge on your rapier, because it's Ordinary.
Physical Damage 5
Parry Chance 5
use it to IW a better one.
2.your shield is good.
3.if your def is safe enough, change Power Protection to Power Slaughter or to Balance because cheaper.
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post Aug 19 2018, 15:28
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Disclaimer: Ignore the time. That costs about 600,000 credits in Vase/Gum.
I only do it to save time and keep from dying... more crystals that way, but at a huge loss overall.

What is "dot" below?


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post Aug 19 2018, 15:36
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QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Aug 19 2018, 21:28) *

Disclaimer: Ignore the time. That costs about 600,000 credits in Vase/Gum.
I only do it to save time and keep from dying... more crystals that way, but at a huge loss overall.

What is "dot" below?
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Maybe it's Damage from Burning Soul?
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post Aug 19 2018, 15:41
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QUOTE(FLY2018 @ Aug 19 2018, 13:05) *

Need suggestion, here's my 1H build


For long term 1H is good if you satisfied with you clear time, meta enough build - rapier is fine, but shield isn't SDE so if you care about survival look for it, other gear should be leg of slaughter with positive adb (it's not that expansive), recommended forging is 5 + all you want to upgrade (priority is weapon adb and block chance), price for equipment - around 1m per gear (or much less if you lucky).

Definitely you can use this gear if you satisfied with it, if you plan to play mage you might want to start looking for gear and IW it earlier because it takes time (unless you hoarded tens of millions).

QUOTE(FLY2018 @ Aug 19 2018, 13:05) *

I just play daily Arena and Random Encounter x20 only, I tried mage in Arena with some poor gears at my level and I found it is difficult to survive. What is the minimum requirement for mage to survive and clear round faster than melee in Arena, especially SG? And how much should I spend for the gears?


Really good staff and millions on gear/perks/forging I guess (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Aug 19 2018, 16:28) *

What is "dot" below?


Damage over time? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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post Aug 19 2018, 15:57
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Which items are worth salvaging?
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post Aug 19 2018, 16:00
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QUOTE(chjj30 @ Aug 19 2018, 06:36) *

Maybe it's Damage from Burning Soul?


OK. Yep. Burning Soul does conjure itself up while I play.

QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Aug 19 2018, 06:41) *


And now the picture comes full circle.
Burning Soul is titled as damage over time... which it is.

Thanks guys!!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 19 2018, 16:14
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Ethereal Axe or Ethereal Club, for DW, which better?
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QUOTE(anruiersi @ Aug 19 2018, 21:14) *

Ethereal Axe or Ethereal Club, for DW, which better?


Club seems better for harder stage since it can stun so it provides some survivability, but Axe might have higher damage output overall mmm...
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post Aug 19 2018, 17:05
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QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Aug 19 2018, 15:28) *

What is "dot" below?

damage over time as has been stated, and these are the damage types it counts: bleed and poison (physical), ripened soul, soul fire and drain (magical)
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 19 2018, 02:57) *
imperil style: dark is better for that, yes. Because willow is very good for imperil.
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- wind and elec, with wind perhaps being very slightly better. Very little difference though.
- imperil: wind and elec are better. Because you only need prof factor 0.68

Pretty much what I was thinking... Thanks DJNoni! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


QUOTE(Lastwizard05 @ Aug 19 2018, 00:40) *
What's the performance of prof suffix staff? Just found an old post from 2016:
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For Elem mage, are there any reasons using Redwood Staff of the Elementalist, besides the price?

Prof suffix staff + 5 phases would perform very similar to EDB suffix with 1 cotton...

The extra prof from the staff is equivalent to cotton gloves/cap depending on rolls (assuming Lmax, it's a little more than gloves, little less than cap)

but, the money you save on staff, you would spend forging the extra phase... so, basically the same

Destruction suffix is always better.
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