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post May 15 2025, 01:24
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QUOTE(pir3sbruno @ May 14 2025, 19:03) *

90 > 65 > 75 > 70 > 80 > 85 these are the only arena i consider doing at isekai.

Lv 85 because of gold the others because of Exp. Since i'm trying to get lv400 fastest possible i try this:

Do Tower and Lv85 arena (low exp per stm) before get 60+ STM if possible (5,4 STM for both), after that i wait recover STM and complete the rest Lv90 > 65 > 75 > 80 (18,6 STM for all). 5.4 + 18.6 = 24, that's what i try to do every day until Lv400 after that no longer need to stay at 60+ stm.


Just to be clear you don't need to get level 400 if you aim for floor 50. Assuming you're playing 1H Heavy going over level 310 is optional (you can go lower, but at this point it's easier and you'll be able to soulfuse almost any equipment from auction). Compared to persistent you only gain double drop chance for equipment (doesn't effect arena clear bonus, chance to get something really expensive is still abysmal) and money/trophies for Follower of Snowflake (random peerless for 10m worth of trophies) while losing on everything else.
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post May 15 2025, 02:30
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ May 14 2025, 20:24) *

Just to be clear you don't need to get level 400 if you aim for floor 50. Assuming you're playing 1H Heavy going over level 310 is optional (you can go lower, but at this point it's easier and you'll be able to soulfuse almost any equipment from auction). Compared to persistent you only gain double drop chance for equipment (doesn't effect arena clear bonus, chance to get something really expensive is still abysmal) and money/trophies for Follower of Snowflake (random peerless for 10m worth of trophies) while losing on everything else.


I know, i did floor 100 last season around lv380 but i didn't start playing isekai on the beginning of season and i got raped by the ponies stm drain so i'm just curious how fast i can get lv400 to see if is worth play with 60+ stm on isekai. And yes i'm aiming for the x2 tier 7 drops on lv400 arena. I'm thinking about profit because if tier 6 trophie is 14k or 48k i should take advantage of tier 7 trophies even though it's hard to get anything useful, i still need to try to get the best possible chances. i need to know how long it takes to get to 400 and see if it's worth doing more arenas and getting more tokens of blood to get noodly and like u said more drops with lower stm drain or if it's better to get 400 fast.

I'm aiming floor 100 because i really liked the 10% damage.

With low stm drain would be 90 85 80 75 70 65 60 Arenas + 50 Tower = 23 STM. You think this way the odds of getting a good drop is better?
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post May 15 2025, 04:30
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QUOTE(pir3sbruno @ May 14 2025, 20:30) *

so i'm just curious how fast i can get lv400 to see if is worth play with 60+ stm on isekai.

In the last season, I reached level 400 in the last month and a half.
I did not race to be the first group reaching FL1 00
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post May 15 2025, 10:58
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QUOTE(pir3sbruno @ May 15 2025, 00:03) *

90 > 65 > 75 > 70 > 80 > 85 these are the only arena i consider doing at isekai.

Lv 85 because of gold the others because of Exp. Since i'm trying to get lv400 fastest possible i try this:

Do Tower and Lv85 arena (low exp per stm) before get 60+ STM if possible (5,4 STM for both), after that i wait recover STM and complete the rest Lv90 > 65 > 75 > 80 (18,6 STM for all). 5.4 + 18.6 = 24, that's what i try to do every day until Lv400 after that no longer need to stay at 60+ stm.


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post May 15 2025, 12:26
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QUOTE(l13763824039 @ May 15 2025, 05:30) *

In the last season, I reached level 400 in the last month and a half.
I did not race to be the first group reaching FL1 00


Does it compensate loss of 20% floor EXP bonus?

QUOTE(pir3sbruno @ May 15 2025, 03:30) *

I know, i did floor 100 last season around lv380 but i didn't start playing isekai on the beginning of season and i got raped by the ponies stm drain so i'm just curious how fast i can get lv400 to see if is worth play with 60+ stm on isekai.

And yes i'm aiming for the x2 tier 7 drops on lv400 arena. I'm thinking about profit because if tier 6 trophie is 14k or 48k i should take advantage of tier 7 trophies even though it's hard to get anything useful, i still need to try to get the best possible chances. i need to know how long it takes to get to 400 and see if it's worth doing more arenas and getting more tokens of blood to get noodly and like u said more drops with lower stm drain or if it's better to get 400 fast.

I'm aiming floor 100 because i really liked the 10% damage.

With low stm drain would be 90 85 80 75 70 65 60 Arenas + 50 Tower = 23 STM. You think this way the odds of getting a good drop is better?


I think without star to pawn items on auction tier 7 clear bonus aren't great and at this level of farm you should really consider investing in gold star (you can start with lower than market price since some sellers prefer buyers without stars). I do SPL every day and basically never see expensive stuff (at least from persistent perspective). In terms of profit early 400 arena is likely better, early levels should help a bit too. Chance of getting better equipment isn't that better on isekai (SPL and RE make huge difference) but since FoS is almost as expensive as gold star it makes sense to go for isekai if you want the peerless gear ASAP (although it may change when core economy kicks in. or we'll just want more peerless cores for upgrades anyway).
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post May 15 2025, 14:35
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ May 15 2025, 07:26) *

Does it compensate loss of 20% floor EXP bonus?
I think without star to pawn items on auction tier 7 clear bonus aren't great and at this level of farm you should really consider investing in gold star (you can start with lower than market price since some sellers prefer buyers without stars). I do SPL every day and basically never see expensive stuff (at least from persistent perspective). In terms of profit early 400 arena is likely better, early levels should help a bit too. Chance of getting better equipment isn't that better on isekai (SPL and RE make huge difference) but since FoS is almost as expensive as gold star it makes sense to go for isekai if you want the peerless gear ASAP (although it may change when core economy kicks in. or we'll just want more peerless cores for upgrades anyway).


I'm working on it, already have 27M to buy bronze star or get silver since i don't have anything valuable yet on isekai to sell i can wait.

Because of FoS is free on isekai, i'll spend all gold i get there on thopies. After reaching F100 i'll change to mage (never played as a mage).

I'll get 310 today before 0:00, 15 days do get 310, could be earlier but i spend all STM on x5 drops and had to recharge until 60+ STM.
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post May 16 2025, 00:37
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ May 15 2025, 06:26) *

Does it compensate loss of 20% floor EXP bonus?

Not sure what you mean.
After the early bird and before reaching level 400, I played 90-65-75-85-80 with 60+ stamina if possible. Sometimes do 70 arena. IW only when below 60.
After level 400, I always clear the SG arena and clear occasionally for the rest.

If you mean does reaching 95 arena compensate the loss of 20% floor EXP bonus, I'd say no.
But I don't worry about that since EXP becomes completely useless after level 400.
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post May 16 2025, 23:06
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Just to make sure, Earthwalker stuff is still irrelevant, right? It's not used in some 1H mage build or something?
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post May 16 2025, 23:10
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Just to make sure, Earthwalker stuff is still irrelevant, right? It's not used in some 1H mage build or something?

yep completely irrelevant.
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post May 17 2025, 00:46
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Do sell orders in the Market work in the order they're submitted?

Like if the lowest sell price is 10 units for 500C, and I put up 3 units for 500C, does that mean the first 10 purchased will go from others before any of mine are sold?

Also how does this work with updating? If there are 10 for sale, I put up 3, someone else puts up 2, then I put 1 more (all the same price), do all my items go to the back of the stack? Or do the original 3 keep their "position"?
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post May 17 2025, 02:30
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QUOTE(kotitonttu @ May 16 2025, 19:46) *

Do sell orders in the Market work in the order they're submitted?

Like if the lowest sell price is 10 units for 500C, and I put up 3 units for 500C, does that mean the first 10 purchased will go from others before any of mine are sold?

Also how does this work with updating? If there are 10 for sale, I put up 3, someone else puts up 2, then I put 1 more (all the same price), do all my items go to the back of the stack? Or do the original 3 keep their "position"?


I'll use infusion of flames as example:
A player named Melovfemale has an order to buy 20k infusions of flame, so if you want to buy you will have to join the queue to buy at the same price as him, only after he manages to buy everything will you be able to buy, if he updates the order he goes to the end of the queue. This is how i believe it works, because this is what i did.
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post May 17 2025, 14:02
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Could somebody explain the workings of the "gift factor"? The explanation provided in the wiki is really vague: "influences the amount of gifts a monster earns at once".

If the typical amount of gifts earned at once is 1 and the explanation is to be understood to the letter, then any gift factor between 100% and 150% has absolutely no effect, right? I hope this is not the case. Perhaps the factor actually increases the odds of getting better gifts or something?
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Could somebody explain the workings of the "gift factor"? The explanation provided in the wiki is really vague: "influences the amount of gifts a monster earns at once".

If the typical amount of gifts earned at once is 1 and the explanation is to be understood to the letter, then any gift factor between 100% and 150% has absolutely no effect, right? I hope this is not the case. Perhaps the factor actually increases the odds of getting better gifts or something?

factor starts at 1: every time a monster brings a gift, it's 1.
if it increases to 1.1: every time a monster brings gifts, it's at least one plus 10% chance of a 2nd
It kinda works like that, only probably a bit different under the hood. Because, at high gift factor, monsters can bring more than 2. So it may also be a series of rolls with very low, diminishing chance. And that every roll chance is increased by the factor.

tl/dr: not as you say.
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post May 17 2025, 14:36
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QUOTE(Noni @ May 17 2025, 15:06) *

if it increases to 1.1: every time a monster brings gifts, it's at least one plus 10% chance of a 2nd
It kinda works like that, only probably a bit different under the hood.

A great answer, a quick one, and one that makes a lot of sense. Thank you very much!

Another question: When selling, say, an average weapon to the bazaar, does its potency tier affect the price I’m getting for it? In other words, if I IW a random drop early during an Isekai season, primarily because I want to level up, and then end up selling it, do I get any compensation for the time spent unlocking a potency or two?

(If the theoretical bazaar price is high enough thanks to PXP, does that mean I may get 3 instead of 2 scrap metal pieces when salvaging the weapon, like it occasionally happens with averages?)
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QUOTE(Katajanmarja @ May 17 2025, 14:36) *

A great answer, a quick one, and one that makes a lot of sense. Thank you very much!

Another question: When selling, say, an average weapon to the bazaar, does its potency tier affect the price I’m getting for it? In other words, if I IW a random drop early during an Isekai season, primarily because I want to level up, and then end up selling it, do I get any compensation for the time spent unlocking a potency or two?

(If the theoretical bazaar price is high enough thanks to PXP, does that mean I may get 3 instead of 2 scrap metal pieces when salvaging the weapon, like it occasionally happens with averages?)

I don't think so, I thought it was linked to PXP0-value. And that doesn't change.
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post May 17 2025, 16:20
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Noni when are we going to get new content?
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post May 17 2025, 19:38
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Noni when are we going to get new content?


+1

Was disappointed when I saw isekai start and there were no new mechanics. It's disheartening (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post May 18 2025, 07:22
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QUOTE(Noni @ May 17 2025, 17:19) *

I don't think so, I thought it was linked to PXP0-value. And that doesn't change.


Okay, so, as regards that, there’s little difference between picking IW or a relatively short Grindfest run if I just want to level up a bit more. Too bad, but thank you so much for the answer!
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QUOTE(Katajanmarja @ May 17 2025, 23:22) *

Okay, so, as regards that, there’s little difference between picking IW or a relatively short Grindfest run if I just want to level up a bit more. Too bad, but thank you so much for the answer!

A short GF has bad exp/stamina ratio due to the 1 stamina entry cost. The closest a short GF gets to being competitive is the first day of an Isekai season, but IW on crude equips is still better.
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post May 18 2025, 12:33
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QUOTE(Lelfkgjicod @ May 17 2025, 17:20) *

Noni when are we going to get new content?

New stuff might be years away. No known dates yet.
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