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post Nov 27 2024, 17:53
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Yeah, sure. I am using this, I thought that the separate abilities dark imperil and holy imperil increases the respective secondary weapon attacks. (Didn't try it.)

QUOTE(FruitSmoothie @ Nov 27 2024, 18:52) *

There's no reason not to get Dark and/or Holy Imperil if you have the slots/AP for it and have Dark and/or Holy damage from your attacks (Even if just infusions you always use). It lowers enemy mitigations towards that damage, it's just free damage as long as you Imperil. Not like 1hand is desperate for AP/slots like Mage. It's probably only going to be around a 1-1.5% damage increase though (Based on my records) per ability. I am only at 20% for Holy Imperil as well.

I've had Holy Imperil only for a long time and my holy damage is consistently 1.5m higher than my dark damage (Dark is 23.7-24.8m, Holy is 25-26.3m, void is 205-222m out of my last 3 runs with only Holy Imperil). Nothing major, but considering dark is the elemental damage type monsters are weakest to, it might be a bit more impressive than it seems. Not like I go out of my way to Imperil normal mobs either, so that's just bonus damage that happens naturally in DwD when normal mobs get caught by my Imperils aimed at the schoolgirls. Schoolgirls all have consistent holy/dark resistances, so it's not them.


Ok, thanks. That a basically problem solved for me. I do use imperil relatively often with shortsword, even for normal mobs.

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post Nov 27 2024, 23:13
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playing 1h, lvl 385.
i was looking at hath perks and i was wondering, would getting the deprecating proficiency one help landing imperils?
i've looked at the wiki and i'm not sure of what proficiency does exactly.

right now my deprecatinc prof is 415.
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post Nov 27 2024, 23:20
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QUOTE(Malenk @ Nov 27 2024, 22:13) *

playing 1h, lvl 385.
i was looking at hath perks and i was wondering, would getting the deprecating proficiency one help landing imperils?
i've looked at the wiki and i'm not sure of what proficiency does exactly.

right now my deprecatinc prof is 415.

it does exactly what you were saying: it helps landing imperils. So yes it a very useful perk. Can't have too much depr. prof.

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post Nov 28 2024, 03:38
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QUOTE(Noni @ Nov 27 2024, 22:20) *

it does exactly what you were saying: it helps landing imperils. So yes it a very useful perk. Can't have too much depr. prof.


ty, then it's a must have.



another question, a big one this time: as i mentioned before, i would like to play as a mage.
right now i can clear adwd in slightly under 30m with my 1H setup rapier + power (all protection, almost no upgrades).

i know that with the right amount of investment mage will outclass melee, but what level of gear should i get in order to get better performances that what i'm doing now?

as i understand, 1H elemental mage should be the most approachable build to start with.
assuming i go for legendary phases plus proficiency cloth without the expensive prefixes (i don't plan to upgrade the phase pieces at all), that i get the relevant hath perks and that i grind my proficiencies, should i expect better performances compared to my 1H setup?
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post Nov 28 2024, 08:29
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ty, then it's a must have.
another question, a big one this time: as i mentioned before, i would like to play as a mage.
right now i can clear adwd in slightly under 30m with my 1H setup rapier + power (all protection, almost no upgrades).

i know that with the right amount of investment mage will outclass melee, but what level of gear should i get in order to get better performances that what i'm doing now?

as i understand, 1H elemental mage should be the most approachable build to start with.
assuming i go for legendary phases plus proficiency cloth without the expensive prefixes (i don't plan to upgrade the phase pieces at all), that i get the relevant hath perks and that i grind my proficiencies, should i expect better performances compared to my 1H setup?

currently I'm playing mage in isekai, started at lv 270 (too early but okay) now lv 340 - all magnificents. Forging helps. I use a mag fire willow of destruction, mag elementalist robe rest phases (all magnificent except one). For difficult battles like IW: I used a DW set in the beginning, now I use a mag fire waki of the nimble + mag buckler of barrier + all my mage armors to clear difficult battles. Expensive? No. But also not much faster that 1h. So you can just start that way. Don't expect great clear speed when you start like that, though.
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post Nov 28 2024, 10:56
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assuming i go for legendary phases plus proficiency cloth without the expensive prefixes (i don't plan to upgrade the phase pieces at all), that i get the relevant hath perks and that i grind my proficiencies, should i expect better performances compared to my 1H setup?


as my experience, near lv400 with all legendary non-forged plain cloth armor + 25% forged staff can already works pretty OK, you can expecting to reduce half of turns with that mage set compare to 1H, just use the aether shard + all scrolls + correct infusion all the time, they're cheap compare to other things. and you will not really reduce that much time at the beginning as low proficiencies, or even die sometimes, that's normal
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post Nov 28 2024, 12:00
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Pretty wild how good 1Hand Mage is, definitely my preferred playstyle. I use it to level up my proficiency in lower arenas now. My gear is crap for it, but it's still so much better to level up with it than trying for pure Mage. 60% physical/magic mitigation, 44.8% evade, 58% block, 44.4% parry, 49.4% resist though is some wild survivability for this much damage. Not sure how it'll fair in PFUDOR, but it's certainly better to level proficiency with than normal Mage and a lot of more entertaining to play as than 1Hand Heavy.

Only issue is it's not really great at higher floor counts until you completely eliminate interference (And probably get some Capacitor from IW). Even mana potions spam isn't enough to keep your mana up and there's no Coalesced Mana to save you when you run out (Gotta spam Focus with only 1-2 enemies remaining a lot). I still have my Force Shield adding 16.2 interference through a Featherweight Shard, that stings. Hope I can pick up a better shield soon, but not looking forward to losing all that block. Pretty sad basically none of my gear is prepared for this playstyle though. Would be a ton of work to improve it, maybe I can throw a bit of money at it soon.

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post Nov 28 2024, 15:05
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(HVutils just does not work for me, maybe it is not suppored in Mozilla? No idea.)

Are you using GreaseMonkey? It provides a different user script API than TamperMonkey: "GM." instead of "GM_". HVUtils is only compatible with the "GM_" API.

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post Nov 28 2024, 15:43
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QUOTE(Noni @ Nov 28 2024, 07:29) *

currently I'm playing mage in isekai, started at lv 270 (too early but okay) now lv 340 - all magnificents. Forging helps. I use a mag fire willow of destruction, mag elementalist robe rest phases (all magnificent except one). For difficult battles like IW: I used a DW set in the beginning, now I use a mag fire waki of the nimble + mag buckler of barrier + all my mage armors to clear difficult battles. Expensive? No. But also not much faster that 1h. So you can just start that way. Don't expect great clear speed when you start like that, though.

ty, i looked at a guide for high tower climbing using 1h mage so i know it's very solid (i've been saving good phase pieces i find for a possible transition later on).
i just wanted to get an idea of what i can expect in persistent with the level of gear i described, to see if it was worth it or if it's something that will only shine at very high investment.

QUOTE(what_is_name @ Nov 28 2024, 09:56) *

as my experience, near lv400 with all legendary non-forged plain cloth armor + 25% forged staff can already works pretty OK, you can expecting to reduce half of turns with that mage set compare to 1H, just use the aether shard + all scrolls + correct infusion all the time, they're cheap compare to other things. and you will not really reduce that much time at the beginning as low proficiencies, or even die sometimes, that's normal

ty, but number of turns doesn't really tell me much.
if half turns is still slower because i need to perform all kinds of actions to make it work it's still a net loss for me.
isn't full cloth way overkill? you don't even need to farm proficiencies with that, what you get from the gear should already put you over the cap.
dying is something definitely want to avoid, that's why i plan to start as 1H mage.


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Pretty wild how good 1Hand Mage is, definitely my preferred playstyle. I use it to level up my proficiency in lower arenas now. My gear is crap for it, but it's still so much better to level up with it than trying for pure Mage. 60% physical/magic mitigation, 44.8% evade, 58% block, 44.4% parry, 49.4% resist though is some wild survivability for this much damage. Not sure how it'll fair in PFUDOR, but it's certainly better to level proficiency with than normal Mage and a lot of more entertaining to play as than 1Hand Heavy.

Only issue is it's not really great at higher floor counts until you completely eliminate interference (And probably get some Capacitor from IW). Even mana potions spam isn't enough to keep your mana up and there's no Coalesced Mana to save you when you run out (Gotta spam Focus with only 1-2 enemies remaining a lot). I still have my Force Shield adding 16.2 interference through a Featherweight Shard, that stings. Hope I can pick up a better shield soon, but not looking forward to losing all that block. Pretty sad basically none of my gear is prepared for this playstyle though. Would be a ton of work to improve it, maybe I can throw a bit of money at it soon.

ty.
eh, force shield is definitely a no for me, i already have a leg buckler of the nimble and a leg buckler of the battlecaster to try, even though barrier is likely the best suffix.
what gear are you using? i was thinking of getting the best leg phases i can from auctions (saw many decent ones go for cheap if they aren't radiant/charged) once i reach lvl400+ so that i can soulfuse items of any level.
of course i will never upgrade them because 1-2 phazons would cost more than the item itself, that's why i wanted to know how good it's to play make at that kind of investment.
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post Nov 28 2024, 15:57
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ty, but number of turns doesn't really tell me much.
if half turns is still slower because i need to perform all kinds of actions to make it work it's still a net loss for me.
isn't full cloth way overkill? you don't even need to farm proficiencies with that, what you get from the gear should already put you over the cap.
dying is something definitely want to avoid, that's why i plan to start as 1H mage.



it's hard to say the time, but for me, my first DWD mage run cost almost same time to DW, at ~31min (it was 150 rounds in DWD), and in Isekai it perform similar at the first few day too, which reduce a lots turns but almost cost the same time. but that's for the first few days only, after stable it reduce me about half time too.
and yes you earn less if you play mage, because you cost more.
cloth armor includes phase and cotton BTW, it's OK to begin with 3+2, and also I can start full PFUDOR mage with 0 proficiencies, it just burn a lot of consumes

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post Nov 28 2024, 18:34
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QUOTE(Malenk @ Nov 28 2024, 15:43) *

ty, i looked at a guide for high tower climbing using 1h mage so i know it's very solid (i've been saving good phase pieces i find for a possible transition later on).
i just wanted to get an idea of what i can expect in persistent with the level of gear i described, to see if it was worth it or if it's something that will only shine at very high investment.
ty, but number of turns doesn't really tell me much.
if half turns is still slower because i need to perform all kinds of actions to make it work it's still a net loss for me.
isn't full cloth way overkill? you don't even need to farm proficiencies with that, what you get from the gear should already put you over the cap.
dying is something definitely want to avoid, that's why i plan to start as 1H mage.
ty.
eh, force shield is definitely a no for me, i already have a leg buckler of the nimble and a leg buckler of the battlecaster to try, even though barrier is likely the best suffix.
what gear are you using? i was thinking of getting the best leg phases i can from auctions (saw many decent ones go for cheap if they aren't radiant/charged) once i reach lvl400+ so that i can soulfuse items of any level.
of course i will never upgrade them because 1-2 phazons would cost more than the item itself, that's why i wanted to know how good it's to play make at that kind of investment.

Yeah point was Force Shield sucks for that build. I want a Buckler of the Battlecaster for myself too. Well the good news is I don't think you need Charged gear due to all the extra survivability, especially if you have a Nimble weapon and upgrade the block on your buckler. Radiant would still be preferred though over nothing on the cloth armor since it kills bosses pretty slow. You can also make a bit better use of Frugal than a normal Mage, which is usually pretty meh.

I think 1Hand Mage might be the tankiest build, gotta remember it also counter attacks and can stun enemies with those ontop of having great avoidance of all types of damage. That it does decent damage on top of that is remarkable, seems like what 2Hand should have been. Even if you just go the Battlecaster/Frugal route of spamming more spells, it shouldn't be too much of a problem though thanks to the survivability, it'll just mean longer battles. Pure Mages absolutely need attack speed and more damage to kill faster than they can get killed, but 1Hand Mage can afford to be lazy on damage and just tank more, which is cool. 1Hand Mage is actually about as easy to use as 1Hand Heavy btw (Much easier than pure Mage that has to heal a lot), only major difference is you'll be spamming mana potions off cooldown, so you'll need an extra hotkey. It is important to remember this build will be more expensive to play as than even a pure Mage, due to the slower kill speed requiring more mana potions per clear (Thankfully they're pretty cheap).

P.S: You need full cloth gear to benefit from cloth abilities. Armor abilities only work with a full set.

With my cobbled together set, even the non schoolgirl bosses are a bit slow to kill. Good news is you can pretty easily do better than what I'm currently using (This is with Featherweight shards on weapon + shield). Your shield is already much better than mine, not sure about your cloth gear or weapon. Right now my main concern is fixing my mana consumption, cause having to stop to spam Focus to recover mana kinda defeats the purpose and makes it hard to level with it. Really need a shield replacement to get rid of the rest of that Interference, lol (That's -8% mana cost modifier and about -6% magic crit chance, ouch). Most of my gear isn't really worth IWing for Jugg/Capacitor either. Maybe when I'm feeling up to it I'll at least try for a bit on my Leg Frugal pants.
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post Nov 28 2024, 19:51
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thank you.

yes, i had a brain fart and confused cloth with cotton for some reason lol.
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post Nov 28 2024, 20:51
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Hi!

i just started playing recently (i am level 16 now) and have been tinkering around without any knowledge and at first no real intention to play.
in that process i tried a few things and maybe made a grave mistake.
after starting to play a bit mor serious i started to read the wiki and this post to get a better understanding of mechanics etc. one of the first advices here was not to soulfuse crap equipment. and thats what i did cause i hadn't read anything on the game yet.
did i do any harm or did i just waste soulfragments ?

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QUOTE(Sirnotalot @ Nov 28 2024, 19:51) *

Hi!

i just started playing recently (i am level 16 now) and have been tinkering around without any knowledge and at first no real intention to play.
in that process i tried a few things and maybe made a grave mistake.
after starting to play a bit more serious i started to read the wiki and this post to get a better understanding of mechanics etc. one of the first advice here was not to soulfuse crap equipment. and that's what i did cause i hadn't read anything on the game yet.
did i do any harm or did i just waste soulfragments ?


You just won't be able to sell these equipment to other players (but if they are crap, the other players wouldn't have bought them anyway, so no loss there); and it's that many fragments you won't be able to use on good equipment later.

But keep in mind that you can get "free" soul fragment by winning daily random encounters (or buying them in the item shop, bout they are expensive), so in the long term the loss of these fragment will be negligible.

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did i do any harm or did i just waste soulfragments ?

Waste soul fragments? Yes. Grave mistake? Not at all. Random encounters will give more fragments, slowly, but steadily. Those are not limited.
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post Nov 28 2024, 21:13
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You just won't be able to sell these equipments to other players (but if they are crap, the other players wouldn't have bought them anyway, so no loss there); and it's that many fragments you won't be able to use on good equipments latter.

But keep in mind that you can get "free" soul fragment by winning daily random encounters (or buying them in the item shop, bout they are expensive), so in the long term the loss of these fragment will be negligible.


thanks for the reply. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) i am kinda relieved i did not fuck up that bad. i just wasted 100 soulfragments iirc (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

btw its a crude estoc , the lowest tier possible xD
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QUOTE(Sirnotalot @ Nov 28 2024, 19:51) *

Hi!

i just started playing recently (i am level 16 now) and have been tinkering around without any knowledge and at first no real intention to play.
in that process i tried a few things and maybe made a grave mistake.
after starting to play a bit mor serious i started to read the wiki and this post to get a better understanding of mechanics etc. one of the first advices here was not to soulfuse crap equipment. and thats what i did cause i hadn't read anything on the game yet.
did i do any harm or did i just waste soulfragments ?

good that you post here at such low level. At your level, just use any gear you can get, mix whatever you have. 2h weapons still work even. Dual wield is great. 1h + shield as well. Pro tip: never play on Normal. Not needed, hell should be okay from the start. mind the abilities - and slot them, mind the exp points. Install scripts (Monsterbation, HV Utils). And: GOOD LUCK!
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QUOTE(Noni @ Nov 28 2024, 22:14) *

good that you post here at such low level. At your level, just use any gear you can get, mix whatever you have. 2h weapons still work even. Dual wield is great. 1h + shield as well. Pro tip: never play on Normal. Not needed, hell should be okay from the start. mind the abilities - and slot them, mind the exp points. Install scripts (Monsterbation, HV Utils). And: GOOD LUCK!


Thank you ! i just started and i still have a lot of reading to do and a lot more to learn. i thought i'd try it as 2H/Light for the time being, i could switch to 1h/heavy if needed. i got an avg. axe and two avg. wakizashi in store, as well as a full set of heavy armor and a shield iirc.

should i really switch to hell ? i have been on normal so far and still need to wrap my head around some battlemechanics
so far i just clobbered the opponents to death without much thinking and never used spells or tactics.

i invested in the abilites that benefit 2h/light so far and slotted them

also i try to keep my attributes balanced (strength 18, everything else 12) mindlessly put everything in strength at first
and have to catch up the rest now xD
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Waste soul fragments? Yes. Grave mistake? Not at all. Random encounters will give more fragments, slowly, but steadily. Those are not limited.


roger that! i was afraid this equipment would now kind of drag me down or something. i managed to collect 45 new fragments through the random encounters (and the arena) so far. before i will get something worth soulfusing i will probably fight quite a few monsters and collect enough to try it again when something good drops.

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Thank you ! i just started and i still have a lot of reading to do and a lot more to learn. i thought i'd try it as 2H/Light for the time being, i could switch to 1h/heavy if needed. i got an avg. axe and two avg. wakizashi in store, as well as a full set of heavy armor and a shield iirc.

should i really switch to hell ? i have been on normal so far and still need to wrap my head around some battlemechanics
so far i just clobbered the opponents to death without much thinking and never used spells or tactics.

i invested in the abilites that benefit 2h/light so far and slotted them

also i try to keep my attributes balanced (strength 18, everything else 12) mindlessly put everything in strength at first
and have to catch up the rest now xD

at level 20, you can even mix cloth, leather, plate etc. Does not matter. Need to heal? Defend. Need mana? Focus.
Also make sure you stock up on potions and draughts. I'd suggest you never play on Normal. Hell is my recommendation, but if that scares you try hard or nightmare. Much better drops, much more exp, much more income.
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