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I'm playing at a 1H Heavy so do I need Shadow Veil cus I've put it in autocast slot and kept heartseeker and regen up time all the fight so my mana bar drains very fast, I use 5 autocast spells rn and the Wisdom bonus stat is higher than my lv bout 10-15 point

I'm playing at a 1H Heavy so do I need Shadow Veil cus I've put it in autocast slot and kept heartseeker and regen up time all the fight so my mana bar drains very fast, I use 5 autocast spells rn and the Wisdom bonus stat is higher than my lv bout 10-15 point

If you can survive easily, you don't need shadow veil and haste

I'm playing at a 1H Heavy so do I need Shadow Veil cus I've put it in autocast slot and kept heartseeker and regen up time all the fight so my mana bar drains very fast, I use 5 autocast spells rn and the Wisdom bonus stat is higher than my lv bout 10-15 point

Do you use mana draughts? There is barely any mana regen, so its normal when mana drains because of autocast. I don't think ditching shadow veil and haste is a good idea at your level. If you don't use mana draughts, definitely buy some (in the persistent market they're super cheap: below 5c each) also some people in wts subforum give away consumables to low level players for free, so check them out sooner rather than later. Even with mana cost discount (from perks) and without haste/shadow veil, many 1h players still end up using mana draughts (i use them off cooldown simply so i don't forget).
That would be odd if your mana kept going down if you had 100% uptime on mana draughts. In that case maybe check the abilities tab? Afaik usually all of the general tab abilities get leveled and slotted no matter the style you're going for.

I've heard that there's a bug with Spark of Life where it fails to protect you if your health ends in 1 or 6. Can someone explain how it works?

I've heard that there's a bug with Spark of Life where it fails to protect you if your health ends in 1 or 6. Can someone explain how it works?

Yes, that's actually a combination of two effects, with Spark of Life and Spirit Shield.

Spark of Life only triggers if your health is above 1 when you take the hit that would kill you. If you're at exactly 1 HP, it won't trigger. This was probably to stop an infinite loop (since, besides the scroll version, spark doesn't heal you) and I imagine why it's not considered a 'bug' exactly.

With Spirit Shield active, incoming damage is capped to 20% of your maximum health, rounded down. If your HP ends in 1 or 6, then 5 consecutive 20%s will leave you with exactly 1 HP, and then a 6th hit will kill you without triggering Spark.

This is mostly only an issue in places where monster offense is very high compared to your defense, so, high Tower or low-gear pfests... but landing on exactly 1 HP by coincidence obviously also happens, and my intuition says it's probably more common for low-level players where 1 HP is a proportionately larger part of their health bar (eg 1/5000 vs 1/40000... etc).

This post has been edited by Nezu: Aug 18 2024, 10:20

I've heard that there's a bug with Spark of Life where it fails to protect you if your health ends in 1 or 6. Can someone explain how it works?

So just so we're on the same page let's review a couple things:

-The normal Spark of Life behavior is that it can't activate twice in a row without an action inbetween which most of the times is healing or recasting the spell if normal casting. Or in other words it fails at 1HP, to be more of a safety net instead of granting perpetual invulnerability.
-Spirit Shield's max ability training makes it so the most damage an enemy can deal is 20% of your Health bar and everything over that gets absorbed by the Spirit bar instead.

Now the so called Spark of Life bug occurs when you have HP ending in 1 or 6 and you get hit by so much damage it procs the Spirit Shield threshold 5 times, and after rounding occurs this ends with you being hit by 100% of your HP bar minus 1HP. 1HP left means Spark of Life won't activate because there's no check to see if it actually activated the turn before and you will immediately die.

It also happens without Spirit Shield as long as you end up with 1HP, but it's very rare to end up with 1HP in normal circumstances so when you think about it it's less of a bug and more of a coding oversight since when it was coded the monsters weren't as strong and isekai wasn't a thing so it only happened in very incredibly specific circumstances that no one would usually be affected by it.

So basically this scenario is mostly found on Isekai Tower, and while you could try to get around it by not maxing the Spirit Shield training or not using it at all if you're at the point where this could happen to you that means now you have to tank more damage and the activation of Spark will eat your Spirit bar even faster so you'll probably have an even tougher time.

Here's an example of how it looks like, HP of the character is 16036.

You have been defeated.
Your spike shield hits Neo Bahamut for 378 points of fire damage.
Neo Bahamut hits you for 3207 piercing damage.
Your spirit shield absorbs 775 points of damage from the attack into 10 points of spirit damage.
Your spike shield hits Peerlesssss2 Shade for 324 points of fire damage.
Peerlesssss2 Shade hits you for 3207 crushing damage.
Your spirit shield absorbs 161 points of damage from the attack into 2 points of spirit damage.
You evade the attack from Gyarados.
Your spike shield hits Spicy Chicken for 823 points of fire damage.
Spicy Chicken crits you for 3207 slashing damage.
Your spirit shield absorbs 1174 points of damage from the attack into 15 points of spirit damage.
Your spike shield hits Oppressor for 261 points of fire damage.
Oppressor hits you for 3207 crushing damage.
Your spirit shield absorbs 499 points of damage from the attack into 6 points of spirit damage.
You evade the attack from Am I Falling In Help.
You evade the attack from Wani Comic Shitsurakuten.
Neural Networks gains the effect Searing Skin.
Your spike shield hits Neural Networks for 322 points of fire damage.
Neural Networks crits you for 3207 piercing damage.
Your spirit shield absorbs 1904 points of damage from the attack into 24 points of spirit damage.
You evade the attack from Giant Striped Savannah Slug.
Peerlesssss2 Shade gains the effect Searing Skin.
Your spike shield hits Peerlesssss2 Shade for 5 points of fire damage.
You parry the attack from Peerlesssss2 Shade.
You evade the attack from Gyarados.
Your spike shield hits Am I Falling In Help for 242 points of fire damage.
Am I Falling In Help hits you for 3207 slashing damage.
Your spirit shield absorbs 19 points of damage from the attack into 0 points of spirit damage.
Neural Networks gains the effect Penetrated Armor.

6 hits, damage capped at 3207 per hit via SS.
3207*5 = 16035
1 HP left, last hit by Neo Bahamut kills because Spark failed to proc.
Death from full HP to 0 in a single action. Could also happen over the course of two different turns if no healing happened and HP still exactly divisible.

Can I avoid the bug by having my max HP not end in 1 or 6, or is it unavoidable?

I see people on the market are trading huge amount of energy drinks without selling much, are they just hoarding it in the hope the price will go up?

Can you make a benefit farming grindfest with energy drinks if you have Crystal & tokens hath perks & some loot bonus training? I guess this would take a huge amount of time though, and the initial investment is about 80+ millions..

I see people on the market are trading huge amount of energy drinks without selling much, are they just hoarding it in the hope the price will go up?

Can you make a benefit farming grindfest with energy drinks if you have Crystal & tokens hath perks & some loot bonus training? I guess this would take a huge amount of time though, and the initial investment is about 80+ millions..

In my personal experience, assuming you have a late game build, the perk "long gone before daylight" and every/most perks and trainings related to drops, you can definitely make a profit out of your first grindfest of the day. It will depend on your consumable use/build, but a late game build can do it at over 100-130k profit. But it takes around an hour.

Arguably most people won't make a profit out of their second grindfest of the day (so, costing two energy drinks worth of stamina). This, obviously, excluding the value of your time. So yea. Not really profitable.

Can I avoid the bug by having my max HP not end in 1 or 6, or is it unavoidable?

You can avoid the main case it happens in (where Spirit Shield triggers 5 times consecutively), but not altogether, as any time your HP is reduced to exactly 1 before being hit again, Spark will not trigger.

In my personal experience, assuming you have a late game build, the perk "long gone before daylight" and every/most perks and trainings related to drops, you can definitely make a profit out of your first grindfest of the day. It will depend on your consumable use/build, but a late game build can do it at over 100-130k profit. But it takes around an hour.

Arguably most people won't make a profit out of their second grindfest of the day (so, costing two energy drinks worth of stamina). This, obviously, excluding the value of your time. So yea. Not really profitable.

I see that's interesting, thanks.
I was interested in it because of the XP, the thing is that this perk alone is about 6M credits, so to break even considering an energy drink is about 130 000 it would take 42 days. Not only that but without the looting perks and trainings you make almost no benefits for using an energy drink with 'long gone before daylight' and going into a grindfest, so making those 6M back would take almost a year of continued play, finishing a grindfest everyday (lol).

It may have been different with energy drinks available through Precursor artifacts back when i started, now as a low level player i'm hitting a huge investment wall where i'm making barely 300k, less than half a level a day and have to play melee which is quite slow to clean the arenas.
I can play Isekai but it lasts for 6 months, the time investment before seeing returns is just ridiculous (and there is the donators trade restriction)

HV is in dire need of a rehaul imo.

This post has been edited by Lelfkgjicod: Aug 18 2024, 13:03

LGBD is pretty good, tbf, but I don't think you should look at it through the lens of grindfests. Grindfests are not really worth the investment in all the crystal and chaos perks at the moment and the market has to change radically for that to change. Buying LGBD without natural ED generation (gold star+) doesn't seem entirely reasonable anyway. Most of these "investments" are only "worth it" when you are willing to play HV daily for a significant portion of your life span. We are talking about a videogame, so...

Fact of the matter when it comes to EDs and many other things in HV is that their value is not set in stone by admin but set by the market. For whatever reason people seem happy to purchase them at 140k, which they absolutely can do. But that also fundamentally defines what most players should do, which is play arenas with their natural energy generation and stay the fuck away from energy drinks and grindfests either for a long time or simply forever.

I personally got the crystal perks and farmed grindfests for a while until I was pretty bored of it. With gold star that is. I didn't do it "because it was worth it" but because I wanted to experience that side of the game and improve my build to a point in which playing profitable grindfests was a posibility.

If you want to level up faster and have a taste of profit there is absolutely nothing better for you to get than a gold star either by playing, contributing to the site or with a donation. Other than that, all xp trainings that I assume you already have.

Do you use mana draughts? There is barely any mana regen, so its normal when mana drains because of autocast. I don't think ditching shadow veil and haste is a good idea at your level. If you don't use mana draughts, definitely buy some (in the persistent market they're super cheap: below 5c each) also some people in wts subforum give away consumables to low level players for free, so check them out sooner rather than later. Even with mana cost discount (from perks) and without haste/shadow veil, many 1h players still end up using mana draughts (i use them off cooldown simply so i don't forget).
That would be odd if your mana kept going down if you had 100% uptime on mana draughts. In that case maybe check the abilities tab? Afaik usually all of the general tab abilities get leveled and slotted no matter the style you're going for.

Yeah I just bought a bunch of potions cus I'm trying to play at IWBTH difficulty rn. Also, I almost reach LV250 so can I clear Triple Trio And The Tree in Nightmare Difficulty and Flying Spaghetti Monster in Hell or Nintendo, I want to give it a try but 5 or 10 tokens are just too much with me. Here my stat


This post has been edited by SimpGod: Aug 19 2024, 15:22

Also, is there any way to automatically use draught when it runs out

Also, is there any way to automatically use draught when it runs out

No. This is prohibited.

In my personal experience, assuming you have a late game build, the perk "long gone before daylight" and every/most perks and trainings related to drops, you can definitely make a profit out of your first grindfest of the day. It will depend on your consumable use/build, but a late game build can do it at over 100-130k profit. But it takes around an hour.

Arguably most people won't make a profit out of their second grindfest of the day (so, costing two energy drinks worth of stamina). This, obviously, excluding the value of your time. So yea. Not really profitable.

Wow, that's a pretty rough return if you need to buy all of those perks and trainings and spend the extra hour each day. If looked at from a profit per second perspective, it'd be greatly negative for multiple years of playing daily.

LGBD is pretty good, tbf, but I don't think you should look at it through the lens of grindfests. Grindfests are not really worth the investment in all the crystal and chaos perks at the moment and the market has to change radically for that to change. Buying LGBD without natural ED generation (gold star+) doesn't seem entirely reasonable anyway. Most of these "investments" are only "worth it" when you are willing to play HV daily for a significant portion of your life span. We are talking about a videogame, so...

Fact of the matter when it comes to EDs and many other things in HV is that their value is not set in stone by admin but set by the market. For whatever reason people seem happy to purchase them at 140k, which they absolutely can do. But that also fundamentally defines what most players should do, which is play arenas with their natural energy generation and stay the fuck away from energy drinks and grindfests either for a long time or simply forever.

I personally got the crystal perks and farmed grindfests for a while until I was pretty bored of it. With gold star that is. I didn't do it "because it was worth it" but because I wanted to experience that side of the game and improve my build to a point in which playing profitable grindfests was a posibility.

If you want to level up faster and have a taste of profit there is absolutely nothing better for you to get than a gold star either by playing, contributing to the site or with a donation. Other than that, all xp trainings that I assume you already have.

The admin actually did make ED value go up by making it rarer though. I just find it really strange that multiple people buy it by packs of 100 if its real value isn't that high.
Value traded for this week exceed 1MM which is multiple times more than anything else in the game. Is the meta right now to hoard that stuff?!


In any case, any advices on how to go through the ISK tower floors? (For now i'm just using Imperil and it's starting to get harder, is sleep or weaken worth using as 1H Heavy?)

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In any case, any advices on how to go through the ISK tower floors? (For now i'm just using Imperil and it's starting to get harder, is sleep or weaken worth using as 1H Heavy?)

Sleep 1 time a start of round
Weaken on the lot
and after floor 60 or so also use silence, silence and slow

The admin actually did make ED value go up by making it rarer though. I just find it really strange that multiple people buy it by packs of 100 if its real value isn't that high.
Value traded for this week exceed 1MM which is multiple times more than anything else in the game. Is the meta right now to hoard that stuff?!

The people who buy those are probably going after proficiency which takes loads and loads and LOADS of grinding at the higher levels, or maybe farming chaos tokens for their monsters. They either have other means of obtaining credits to fuel this goal (H@H, star selling, lucky drops, IW service, etc.) or don't and they just simply don't care, eat the cost and decide the crystals, profs, the tiny consistent profits, tokens and lucky drops are more interesting to obtain. Or they maybe like having their hands busy while doing other stuff so they go with it anyways.

I'm a new player and currently playing a 1H style. Should I use this weapon:
EXQUISITE SHOCKING SHORTSWORD OF SLAUGHTER
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/297701366/ce12d2c401
or this weapon:
MAGNIFICENT FIERY WARIZASHI OF SWIFTNESS
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/297702119/e57dc2d1f3?

Also, should I sell one of them on the market or WTS?