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post Jul 23 2024, 10:27
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QUOTE(Iexist @ Jul 23 2024, 01:21) *

Yeeeeah, I definitely don't have millions to throw at monster training of all things. If I had those kinds of credits, I'd finish all the other relevant training first. Like proficiency rate training and exp training and drops related training etc. As for stars, I don't have the credits to buy those either. I'd probably be able to work my way up via application of wallet, since donations are cumulative... but... uh... the donation system for e-hentai is cancer and I don't really like to deal with bitcoin shenanigans unless I absolutely have too.

In any case, for the monster thing, I guess I'll slowly, sloooooooooooooooooooowly expand the monster roster and see when it gets annoying to manage and whatnot. Me being "not that active" also means that Chaos tokens have been in short supply too, and I'm not one of those "wins a lottery prize once a week" people either.

Thank you VERY much for all the help you provided.


Definitely better use of credits, I mentioned those trainings because the ratings are bad, so so so bad you can buy a lifetime of food or happy pills before getting those trainings.
The stars are not necessary but if you decide to get one at a later date there's always the option to buy one with credits in WTB, that way other nice users deal with the wallet dance in your stead and you get the star. And it appears only gold is the one that reduces morale and hunger bar drain so it would be tough.
Well the scripts like monsterbation could help you with keeping activity to a minimum while keeping your current rewards, but thinking about it even vanilla keys + numpad or just logging in with cookies and REs can keep you afloat. In any case whatever route you decide to go from here on hope it goes well.
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post Jul 24 2024, 10:54
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Hey guys, i got my first legendary drop and i don't know if it's worth putting in the auction or not , please tell me how much it's worth.


Legendary Zircon Power Leggings of Protection
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post Jul 24 2024, 19:15
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Hey guys, i got my first legendary drop and i don't know if it's worth putting in the auction or not , please tell me how much it's worth.
Legendary Zircon Power Leggings of Protection

excellent item. Best you can get at that level, as far as leggings go. How much it's worth exactly, that's hard to say. It will sell. But for how much? If I were you I'd just use it for some time first.


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post Jul 25 2024, 12:31
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What the fastest way to gain Rank in forge?
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post Jul 25 2024, 13:46
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What the fastest way to gain Rank in forge?

you could forge some cheap crap low quality item with cheap low grade materials, but in practice best way is to forge the gear that you are using.
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post Jul 25 2024, 14:12
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QUOTE(reinDank @ Jul 25 2024, 18:31) *

What the fastest way to gain Rank in forge?


I used to have some calculation and the cheapest way is to forge all low grade into 5 and salvage them, but it take loooooong time and definitely not fast. in another way forging the mag or legendary leather doesn't really make the cost that higher but quite faster. as the main cost is on the Catalysts and they're not recyclable nor tradeable, so I don't really recommend to intentionally forge the level
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post Jul 26 2024, 09:30
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Does the Cast Speed has some threshold (as the proficiency) to reach for element master?
I have 29.6% cast speed cast speed bonus now. Is it needed to replace my radiant gloves and pants to charged, it will loss some magic damage.
gloves https://hentaiverse.org/equip/276616716/7ccb7d557c
pants https://hentaiverse.org/equip/279512759/3527caf282
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post Jul 26 2024, 13:05
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QUOTE(θˆε‘½ηŽ©ζ–‡ @ Jul 26 2024, 09:30) *

Does the Cast Speed has some threshold (as the proficiency) to reach for element master?
I have 29.6% cast speed cast speed bonus now. Is it needed to replace my radiant gloves and pants to charged, it will loss some magic damage.
gloves https://hentaiverse.org/equip/276616716/7ccb7d557c
pants https://hentaiverse.org/equip/279512759/3527caf282

with your gear, I think more charge won't make it faster. Fully forged, high EDB radiants, I would not replace them unless you have a peerless charged. If you want to improve, I'd focus on getting a peerless staff first
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post Jul 26 2024, 13:38
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QUOTE(θˆε‘½ηŽ©ζ–‡ @ Jul 26 2024, 08:30) *

Does the Cast Speed has some threshold (as the proficiency) to reach for element master?
I have 29.6% cast speed cast speed bonus now. Is it needed to replace my radiant gloves and pants to charged, it will loss some magic damage.


There are no theoretical breakpoints because monster speed varies unpredictably in battle.

On switching charged & radiant gear around... your mileage may vary, especially depending if you are only fighting in arenas, or if you are also considering item-world and grindfest.
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post Jul 26 2024, 16:43
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QUOTE(Noni @ Jul 26 2024, 19:05) *

with your gear, I think more charge won't make it faster. Fully forged, high EDB radiants, I would not replace them unless you have a peerless charged. If you want to improve, I'd focus on getting a peerless staff first


QUOTE(Nezu @ Jul 26 2024, 19:38) *

There are no theoretical breakpoints because monster speed varies unpredictably in battle.

On switching charged & radiant gear around... your mileage may vary, especially depending if you are only fighting in arenas, or if you are also considering item-world and grindfest.



got it, thanks!

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post Jul 27 2024, 02:44
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got it, thanks!

1000 depr prof + 33.3% cast speed = max imperil cast(5 imp per tick).
however it's not very necessary to build something exactly matching that. Just some references.
Plus your casting speed will increase slowly with your cloth prof.
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post Jul 27 2024, 06:56
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QUOTE(Pretty anon @ Jul 23 2024, 14:06) *

Yes indeed, given the monster lab has a sort of pity system where monsters give stuff automatically more or less every 3 days it's better to go for numbers when you haven't opened yet all the slots as you said.

There's a common advice about leaving them at low PLs as those low PL monsters do have a chance to appear in battles and fight low level players, people experimenting and ultra casual players who don't have a single care about the game (namely those grinding for GP exclusively) among other individuals, your monsters will every once in a while bring extra gifts besides the pity ones, however from experience ever since a monster reaches ~PL 200-750 it enters an ultra dead zone where it has a hard time facing anyone, both from that PL zone being extremely saturated and because the players who get to face those are in their player phase of attempting to challenge higher difficulties and speedy leveling meaning they barely get a chance to face them. So in the case of your monster it's no wonder why it has poor performance regarding gifts, it just simply finds it difficult to get in the spotlight as many have observed in isekai.

Also monsters can only carry a limited number of gifts, I have seen old screenshots with around 8 and other users have commented a similar number, which means even if you rely on pity gifts only if you don't check them frequently they'll simply be unable to hold any more than that and you will "lose" out on those.

And you may also know that PL affects what kind of materials they bring, so around PL 500 they start bringing High grade mats whereas at PL 750 they stop bringing low grade ones, and while it may seem interesting to get them above 500 for the high grade chance there seems to be a linear correlation regarding mats and PL, so a PL 500 has a very little chance to get a high grade (~1%?) and with it being in deadzone and only bringing a gift every 3 days you may spend a long time before seeing it bring a single one compared to a higher leveled monster. Naturally this doesn't include bindings or rare materials like phazons and fragments as those are unaffected by PL whatsoever.

So going back to your question, few high leveled monsters may have a better performance, but only at very high investment both in crystals and tokens (min PL 1550) which means they'll take some time to "pay off", say a couple years or more depending on how much you invest in them and if you need 2000+ tokens to get your monster in shape, wouldn't it be better to just use them to unlock more slots since again, bindings and rares are unaffected by PL? Surely 50 monsters bringing gifts, which may include rares, every 3 days are better than 3 bringing one gift everyday.

On that note a PL 2250 takes some 10-12 years to pay off so those are mostly done as fashion, goal, hatred towards other users, etc. rather than as a high reward investment.
TL;DR: Quantity > Quality when monster slots aren't fully unlocked. Check monsters frequently for gifts. Rares unaffected by PL. High investment takes years to pay off. PL 2250 only as hobby.


Thanks for all this info.
I am not as active as I was last year and have been spending ALL the chaos tokens to unlock monster slots.
Right now, no issues maintaining my 14 monsters, both food and using crystals seems ok so far.
Now I have some monsters reaching PL250 (which means they cannot be deleted, right?).
Should I let them go above PL250? Or Should I delete them before they reach PL250 and create new low level monsters (now that I think about it, it makes for a lot of chaos token spending?).
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post Jul 27 2024, 08:11
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QUOTE(kuije @ Jul 27 2024, 06:56) *

Thanks for all this info.
I am not as active as I was last year and have been spending ALL the chaos tokens to unlock monster slots.
Right now, no issues maintaining my 14 monsters, both food and using crystals seems ok so far.
Now I have some monsters reaching PL250 (which means they cannot be deleted, right?).
Should I let them go above PL250? Or Should I delete them before they reach PL250 and create new low level monsters (now that I think about it, it makes for a lot of chaos token spending?).

I wouldn't delete those, no. But in the future, keep spending the chaos on unlocking new monsters and keep them at PL25.
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post Jul 27 2024, 11:21
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QUOTE(kuije @ Jul 27 2024, 05:56) *

Now I have some monsters reaching PL250 (which means they cannot be deleted, right?).
Should I let them go above PL250? Or Should I delete them before they reach PL250 and create new low level monsters (now that I think about it, it makes for a lot of chaos token spending?).


For what it's worth, the chaos tokens unlock the slots, they're not a cost to create a monster - you can delete and recreate for free.
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post Jul 27 2024, 14:22
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Do people make money off doing IW services, or are they doing it just because they want to grind a bit more? I've tried doing a little math based on average amounts of items/credits/etc I get from doing random legendary IW equipment, and it looks to me like they'd be making a loss? Has anyone ever documented any math/evidence to suggest this is actually profitable?

I think it would have been completely different before the ED nerf, but now that I have to buy any EDs I want to use, every point of stamina is precious...
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post Jul 27 2024, 16:56
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QUOTE(Noni @ Jul 27 2024, 19:11) *

I wouldn't delete those, no. But in the future, keep spending the chaos on unlocking new monsters and keep them at PL25.


How do we keep the monsters at PL25 without losing morale?

QUOTE(Nezu @ Jul 27 2024, 22:21) *

For what it's worth, the chaos tokens unlock the slots, they're not a cost to create a monster - you can delete and recreate for free.

Oh! Didn't know that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)
Probably still not worth deleting and recreate?
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post Jul 27 2024, 17:12
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QUOTE(kuije @ Jul 27 2024, 22:56) *

Probably still not worth deleting and recreate?


deleting monsters do not refund crystals you already spent. so unless you have a specific reason to do that, you don't have to.

If you are unhappy with the name you add, just rename the monster, cost nothing.
If you are unhappy with the skill name and type, rename it and select possible options.
If you are unhappy with the monster race, still not recommend to delete. You could totally make a new one.
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post Jul 27 2024, 18:44
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QUOTE(kuije @ Jul 27 2024, 16:56) *

How do we keep the monsters at PL25 without losing morale?


we feed them happy pills. Well you can also give them chrystals, but don't give them chaos tokens. Chrystals or happy pills, just see what's cheaper. If you have left-over chrystals, you can also sell them.
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post Jul 27 2024, 21:11
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QUOTE(kuije @ Jul 27 2024, 15:56) *

How do we keep the monsters at PL25 without losing morale?

Probably still not worth deleting and recreate?


Some people prefer to use crystals to maintain morale, delete & recreate, and some people just use happy pills - I think the former works out cheaper, but not a large amount of credits for a semi-regular arena player.
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post Jul 30 2024, 14:46
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I let them hit the rocks once in a while, keep their morale up and boost their PL for better gifts. Two birds with plenty stoned.
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