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post May 27 2024, 00:33
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QUOTE(Ser6IjVolk @ May 26 2024, 11:23) *

So what's the prime build for Heavy 1H in Isekai? I somehow suspect it's probably not Power Armor of Slaughter with how much damage I eat with my Protection/Warding Plate/Power mixed set. Also how does the tactic differ? Currently, I just cast Silence and Weaken before Imperil and it sort of works. Got to Floor 41 at lvl 315, but boy was Floor 40's IWBTH to PFUDOR shift a difficulty spike, had to fall back onto Haste.

That's pretty much the basics of it.
To clear tower, you need all innate arcanas, no exceptions. Which means including Haste and Shadow Veil. Some people even use scroll sets for that. And even Scroll of Absorption while you're at it.
As for the depr spells, you might want to cast Silence 2, then Sleep 5, or the way around, before using Weaken 3 times. If you decide to use Sleep 5, it is VERY HIGHLY advised to cast Silence 5 as soon as the cooldown on Silence is over, else every of those monsters will unleash their SP attack as soon as they wake up. Oh, and the monsters have so much HP that I'd also recommend one to have absolutely all monsters imperiled, else it takes 100 years to kill that one bastard that did not get imperiled.

And one last thing: forget about spreading your main attack. Kill one monster ASAP (preferably one that got neither silenced nor weakened), then the next one. You're not here to optimize your counterattacks, you're here to survive.
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post May 27 2024, 05:52
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QUOTE(KitsuneAbby @ May 26 2024, 15:33) *

That's pretty much the basics of it.
To clear tower, you need all innate arcanas, no exceptions. Which means including Haste and Shadow Veil. Some people even use scroll sets for that. And even Scroll of Absorption while you're at it.
As for the depr spells, you might want to cast Silence 2, then Sleep 5, or the way around, before using Weaken 3 times. If you decide to use Sleep 5, it is VERY HIGHLY advised to cast Silence 5 as soon as the cooldown on Silence is over, else every of those monsters will unleash their SP attack as soon as they wake up. Oh, and the monsters have so much HP that I'd also recommend one to have absolutely all monsters imperiled, else it takes 100 years to kill that one bastard that did not get imperiled.


What is sleep 5, silence 2, silence 5, and weaken 3? Also, why would people ever avoid using some autocast slots when Innate Arcana V is free in isekai?
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post May 27 2024, 06:16
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QUOTE(polisperic @ May 26 2024, 23:52) *

What is sleep 5, silence 2, silence 5, and weaken 3? Also, why would people ever avoid using some autocast slots when Innate Arcana V is free in isekai?

That means casting sleep on the 5th monster (sleeping monsters 4-6), casting silence on the 2nd monster (silencing 1-3), casting silence on the 5th monster (silencing 4-6), and casting weaken 3 times, presumably on the 2nd, 5th, and 8th monsters.
People would avoid using autocast slots because using haste and shadow veil means fewer monster concuss and damage themselves on your shield, so it slows things down. At some point, haste and shadow veil do become necessary for survival.
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post May 27 2024, 06:23
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QUOTE(Nezu @ May 26 2024, 02:38) *

I don't think the relation between quality and number of stats on an equipment is actually noted anywhere, but yes - exquisite can only have two, but magnificent upwards can have all applicable PABs.
DEA and SEA are also possible! DEA is favoured by 1H mages while SEA is generally avoided.


Right, I remember Ex shade armors only have 2 PABs, but Mag shade armors could have 4 (SDEA). This is quite confusing to me actually. If EX equips could only have 2 PABs, then this makes sense.

QUOTE(Nezu @ May 26 2024, 02:38) *

I don't think SDA is 'better for light', by the way - I'd still prefer to have endurance over extra agility.


Is that because the effect of evade will decrease when evade is high? Or simply because AGI does not contribute much to evade?

QUOTE(Ser6IjVolk @ May 26 2024, 04:23) *

So what's the prime build for Heavy 1H in Isekai? I somehow suspect it's probably not Power Armor of Slaughter with how much damage I eat with my Protection/Warding Plate/Power mixed set. Also how does the tactic differ? Currently, I just cast Silence and Weaken before Imperil and it sort of works. Got to Floor 41 at lvl 315, but boy was Floor 40's IWBTH to PFUDOR shift a difficulty spike, had to fall back onto Haste.


It's mainly about survival. I think you need to find your own optimal, between all shielding plate of protection to savage power of slaughter. Also, as mentioned above, Sleep is quite useful in tower especially for 1H.

I heard that 1H/Light might work better in tower, especially with Shade of Arcanist as it buffs your deprecation spells. Haven't tried yet.

QUOTE(justreadin @ May 26 2024, 11:11) *

In isekai when and what type of gear do people soulfuse to make things easier? Been playing on and off and just recently thought about how that might make the grind a little faster.

Also if I wanted to try doing 1H mage I'd imagine you'd start at level 310 when imperil spam is available? Probably grinding prof in the arenas for it at that time too?


I soulfused a Ex Rapier of Slaughter at Lv11x because I know I'm not likely to get a better one before Lv310 (actually I didn't get a better one until now, so I'm right). Otherwise, I'll only soulfuse the equips I determine to bring back to PC. Alternatively, you can include the price of soul fragment when purchasing low-level equips and see if it worths.

Yes I think basically you need to get to Lv310 to transfer to mage as IMP is necessary. Not sure if 1H mage works in ISK as you might want to have all radiant phases because you don't have the MDB from the staff and ability.

QUOTE(jantch @ May 26 2024, 11:15) *

Is there a list of the buggy forge levels somewhere, where your maximum upgrade level doesn't increase when your forge level does?

I'm at forge level 8 in Isekai, and the maximum upgrade level for everything is the same as it was at forge level 7.

The only other one I remember is the upgrade level not increasing when the forge level goes from 40 to 41.

I thought that there was another one, but I had forgotten about the level 8 one, so I'm probably remembering incorrectly.


I rememebr ADB and MDB are different from other attributes? Not sure if there are something like "buggy forge levels" though.

QUOTE(polisperic @ May 26 2024, 20:52) *

What is sleep 5, silence 2, silence 5, and weaken 3? Also, why would people ever avoid using some autocast slots when Innate Arcana V is free in isekai?


I think sleep 5 = cast sleep on the 5th monster.
"weaken 3" is different. I think Abby actually means cast weaken 3 times so that it covers all 9 monsters.
1H is quite strong on survival so sometimes players remove Haste from the auto-cast to get more counter attacks per turn to make the battle faster (in real time). Shadow Veil is usually excluded because if you don't have high-quality heavy armors and using feather weight shards on your armors your evade chance is quite low and the advantage of Shadow Veil is ignorable.

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post May 27 2024, 08:31
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QUOTE(KitsuneAbby @ May 27 2024, 01:33) *

To clear tower, you need all innate arcanas, no exceptions. As for the depr spells, you might want to cast Silence 2, then Sleep 5, or the way around, before using Weaken 3 times. I'd also recommend one to have absolutely all monsters imperiled.

And one last thing: you're not here to optimize your counterattacks, you're here to survive.


Thanks! That's helpful. Any gear recommendations? I'm guessing (preferably) Shielding Plate of Protection (for the extra defense and lesser interference) and a Rapier of Slaughter or the Nimble (probably leaning towards Nimble purely for extra defense)? Or is it a case of ideally killing as quickly as possible, so Power of Slaughter and Rapier of Slaughter would be ideal? (Obviously not assembling either set dependent only on random drops, but it's nice to know what to aim for).
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post May 27 2024, 10:26
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https://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Setting...2F_Auto-Salvage
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Does this mean when I set Sell to Exquisite and Salvage to Average:
  • If equipment is Average or below it's salvaged
  • If equipment is Exquisite or Superior it will be sold


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post May 27 2024, 22:27
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Trying to figure out what i'm doing wrong. The level 2 "Faster Weaken" says it afflicts 2 targets but when I cast it, it still stays 1 target. No resist message or anything on a 2nd target.
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post May 27 2024, 23:22
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QUOTE(kelcuda @ May 27 2024, 16:27) *

Trying to figure out what i'm doing wrong. The level 2 "Faster Weaken" says it afflicts 2 targets but when I cast it, it still stays 1 target. No resist message or anything on a 2nd target.

Are you sure that you slotted the Faster Weaken ability? If you put ability points into something and you don't notice the effect, it's most likely because the ability isn't slotted.
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post May 28 2024, 00:55
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QUOTE(SDR Fang @ May 27 2024, 05:23) *

Is that because the effect of evade will decrease when evade is high? Or simply because AGI does not contribute much to evade?


It is not because evade is or becomes unimportant - just because the benefits of endurance are still important! Having higher max HP helps lessen the frequency of Spirit Shield triggers, which I've personally found to matter slightly more than I expected in Tower and Grindfest.
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post May 28 2024, 01:38
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QUOTE(jantch @ May 27 2024, 17:22) *

Are you sure that you slotted the Faster Weaken ability? If you put ability points into something and you don't notice the effect, it's most likely because the ability isn't slotted.


Was the first thing I checked. I have both Faster Weaken and Better Weaken slotted. Does the Deprecating Skill level have to also be 165 since mine is at 163.

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post May 28 2024, 02:21
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QUOTE(kelcuda @ May 27 2024, 19:38) *

Was the first thing I checked. I have both Faster Weaken and Better Weaken slotted. Does the Deprecating Skill level have to also be 165 since mine is at 163.

I doubt that deprecating proficiency is the problem, but I'm not sure.

Did you check the battle log? Could it be that it now targets two monsters, but you're always missing, evaded or being resisted?

Yeah, I know, it's a long shot.
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post May 28 2024, 03:41
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Possible case
Monster A | B | C | D and C is dead
Your current weaken can target up to 2 targets
But if you target D, only D is weakened.
But if you target A, A and B will be both weakened
Even if you can target 3 targets, still only D is weakened.
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post May 28 2024, 05:41
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QUOTE(jantch @ May 27 2024, 20:21) *

I doubt that deprecating proficiency is the problem, but I'm not sure.

Did you check the battle log? Could it be that it now targets two monsters, but you're always missing, evaded or being resisted?

Yeah, I know, it's a long shot.



Aha I got it now. User error.

I was expecting a resist message and apparently what I was getting was "failed to connect" and overlooked it since it seems to be so common an occurrence which was new.
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post May 28 2024, 10:53
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QUOTE(Ser6IjVolk @ May 27 2024, 06:31) *

Thanks! That's helpful. Any gear recommendations? I'm guessing (preferably) Shielding Plate of Protection (for the extra defense and lesser interference) and a Rapier of Slaughter or the Nimble (probably leaning towards Nimble purely for extra defense)? Or is it a case of ideally killing as quickly as possible, so Power of Slaughter and Rapier of Slaughter would be ideal? (Obviously not assembling either set dependent only on random drops, but it's nice to know what to aim for).

For maximum defense, ideally Shielding Plate, Force Shield, Wakizashi of the Nimble.
Personally, I'd rather recommend either a Shortsword of Balance or a Wakizashi of Balance so that it helps hitting the 200% Attack Accuracy, which is a drastic enhancement when it comes to just kill stuff. I'm also more inclined to use a (Mithril/Reinforced) Kite Shield as it provides a very decent defense along with an acceptable Interference when you don't use feathers.

But all in all, there is no "ideal" build. It's up to you if you want to go for raw power at the cost of healing like mad and forging more, or if you want to play it safer and slower. For my part, I'd say that using a "clever" build that makes use of cheaper, less sought after (but not bad) equipment yet still reaching a good efficiency is the way to go. Last season I went for a full Shielding Plate set along with a Shortsword of Balance, it did an amazing job even though it was clearly lacking ADB compared to more brutal approaches. This season I'm going 1H Light with Arcanist for comfortable use of Depr pells and general very low Interference.

Going for the kill quick with Power of SLaughter might work, but remember: more focus on raw firepower means lower defense, and if it's too low you might spend more time healing and spending consumables than actually battling.
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post May 28 2024, 12:55
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QUOTE(KitsuneAbby @ May 28 2024, 11:53) *

For maximum defense, ideally Shielding Plate, Force Shield, Wakizashi of the Nimble.
Personally, I'd rather recommend either a Shortsword of Balance or a Wakizashi of Balance so that it helps hitting the 200% Attack Accuracy, which is a drastic enhancement when it comes to just kill stuff. I'm also more inclined to use a (Mithril/Reinforced) Kite Shield as it provides a very decent defense along with an acceptable Interference when you don't use feathers.

But all in all, there is no "ideal" build. It's up to you if you want to go for raw power at the cost of healing like mad and forging more, or if you want to play it safer and slower. For my part, I'd say that using a "clever" build that makes use of cheaper, less sought after (but not bad) equipment yet still reaching a good efficiency is the way to go. Last season I went for a full Shielding Plate set along with a Shortsword of Balance, it did an amazing job even though it was clearly lacking ADB compared to more brutal approaches. This season I'm going 1H Light with Arcanist for comfortable use of Depr spells and general very low Interference.

Going for the kill quick with Power of SLaughter might work, but remember: more focus on raw firepower means lower defense, and if it's too low you might spend more time healing and spending consumables than actually battling.


Thanks for the insight!
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post May 28 2024, 15:46
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Damn I didn't know how Bazar equipment shop works when I saw this [attachembed=177803] item earlier .

I'm only level 92 and still learning a lot about the game so I kinda ignored it and it went away from the shop, which I assume means that someone else bought it . I should've bought it just cause it was legendary right ?
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post May 28 2024, 16:59
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I should've bought it just cause it was legendary right ?


No, you shouldn't have bought it.
A ) In case you wanted to use it: It's level 500, you wouldn't be able to equip it for a long LONG time. And you'll have much better options by then.

B ) In case you wanted to sell it: it's cobalt leather of stoneskin, even if this has amazing ranges (which I'm too lazy to check), it's borderline useless, no 400+ lvl player would want it with how much better equipment is accessible to them.

Basically, just being Legendary doesn't make an equipment good or valuable, it has to be some combination of: low level, good stat ranges, useful suffixes and prefixes, "rare" type (phase/shade/power).

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post May 28 2024, 17:36
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QUOTE(fsdfgiosdgio @ May 28 2024, 13:46) *

Damn I didn't know how Bazar equipment shop works when I saw this [attachembed=177803] item earlier .

I'm only level 92 and still learning a lot about the game so I kinda ignored it and it went away from the shop, which I assume means that someone else bought it . I should've bought it just cause it was legendary right ?

TL;DR: That thing's shit and got bazaared rightfully so. It'd have been decent for you, or half decently valuable, if the equipment was lvl100 or so. But at lvl500 nearly every equipment is garbage. Heck even most Peerless equipments are garbage at Lvl500.
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post May 28 2024, 20:06
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QUOTE(Ser6IjVolk @ May 28 2024, 15:59) *

B ) In case you wanted to sell it: it's cobalt leather of stoneskin, even if this has amazing ranges (which I'm too lazy to check), it's borderline useless, no 400+ lvl player would want it with how much better equipment is accessible to them.

Items bought from the bazaar become untradable so this is a moot point.
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post May 28 2024, 23:46
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QUOTE(KitsuneAbby @ May 28 2024, 03:36) *

TL;DR: That thing's shit and got bazaared rightfully so. It'd have been decent for you, or half decently valuable, if the equipment was lvl100 or so. But at lvl500 nearly every equipment is garbage. Heck even most Peerless equipments are garbage at Lvl500.


Ended up buying a 400+ level legendary I found on the bazaar a bit after my post . After I saw the responses I realize that was a waste and ended up salvaging it . Could sell it back for ~4.5k C but considering it was a high level legendary item I thought I could get better value from salvaging it, which I did since it gave me a high grade leather and a legendary armor core . Was I lucky or is bazaaring items like those instead of salvaging them generally worse ?
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